Are the Lamar Jackson Ravens overrated in this era?

[nuklz2594]

same can be said about Josh. neither has gotten to the dance and got a ring

[Buffalo ill]

I think they are a solid contender, just like the Bills.  

[billsbackto81]

12 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Yes. 

 

Massively.

 

It's disgusting how much the vast majority of the national pundits hang on their jockstraps and almost immediately forget their wrongdoings.

One could say the same of another particular team we're rather fond of. 

[nuklz2594]

1 hour ago, nuklz2594 said:

same can be said about Josh. neither has gotten to the dance and got a ring

almost reminds of Randall cunningham and Jim kelly

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

If Lamar couldn’t win with that 2023 roster I don’t think he will be able to win a SB. Plus he chokes in the playoffs. 
 

[BigAl2526]

Lamar Jackson has generally had better support around him in the Ravens' skill positions on offense.  And, I think they have a more physical team and playing style.  I think having Josh Allen at QB shifts the talent balance in the Bills' favor.

[corta765]

Yes and no, its complicated lol

 

Lamar is a top 5 (3?) QB and his regular season stats are tremendous so it elevates their profile. He also has stunk in big moments to the point it warrants conversation of being a fraud at points and players have said they have figured him out in ways Josh & Mahomes haven't. He also has had the 1 seed twice and couldn't take advantage despite that which is something directly at him. I think he has friends in the media who refuse to criticize him in a way Josh or even Mahomes have been.

 

I think their scouting staff is very good and they are better at free agent signings then the Bills as shown with some of their hits. BUT I think the media also gives them too much credit at time which last year illuminated big time with their roster strength. On the flipside I think their roster has been better then the Bills and they have failed spectacularly sooooo that is something too.

 

If you were to write the stories of the Bills and Ravens with their QBs it would go like this:

 

The Bills with Josh have been successful for a decade now, but the roster & coaching have let 17 down too much to make the dance despite numerous playoff games where 17 dominated.

 

The Ravens with Lamar have been even brighter then the Bills the last decade at points while playing in a tougher division, but have failed to take advantage of that power in the playoffs as the team from coaching, roster, and yes QB have all had their moments they didn't breakthrough. 

 

I think of the Bills as a mix of the Steelers/Colts of the 2000s and the Ravens as the Chargers/Colts. The Ravens to me have blown the opportunities almost worse then Buffalo given the 1 seed part which makes me think of those Charger teams with Rivers that you slammed your head against a wall and said "how are they so different in the playoffs" as they lost a game you didn't see coming. The Bills are far more a team where they've been close and the question is more can they finally cross the river. The Colts did by finally beating NE in 2006 and the Steelers did by not having to play NE in their SB runs. I can see the Bills having one of those outcomes although time is starting to get tight with probably 5-6 years at best left with Josh in prime.

Edited May 4 by corta765

[skibum]

They are (a bit) overrated. Lamar puts up insane numbers every year, and yes he/they score and win often. They are consistently good in all phases of the game.

 

But they always fold when it counts the most, and more easily than the Bills have in recent years - not to mention they also regularly fold at the hands of the Bills. So as high as you want to rate them, they should never be rated higher than the Bills, period. 

Edited May 4 by skibum

[machine gun kelly]

Lamar is a very talented athlete, and the Ravens have talent.  With that said, they have been overestimated as to their success for awhile.  Not that they don’t belong in the playoffs, but Lamar is not Josh, Burrow, or Mahomes.

[nuklz2594]

58 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

If Lamar couldn’t win with that 2023 roster I don’t think he will be able to win a SB. Plus he chokes in the playoffs. 
 

wonder if romo had that ravens team, if he would've won a ring

if Josh was a raven....ring?

[May Day 10]

I think they have been given their due respect.  Very solid and well-coached team with an elite athlete as the QB and a unicorn running back.  It seems like any year they can and should go on a run.  

 

I do think Lamar is overrated though.  At the top of his game, he can be terrific.  However, it seems everything needs to be going right.  It doesnt seem like he puts his team on his shoulders when things arent going well.  In fact, there is a history of leaving games and getting injured.  Something that other QBs would be criticized for.  

[somnus00]

I wouldn't say they are overrated. I'd say they are underperforming with a talented roster. There's a fine line between these two things, but I do believe they are different categories.

 

The Ravens are an odd team. Just like the Cowboys, they always seem to draft or acquire star level players. But they struggle to build a team. These star players can take over games during the regular season, and carry them to the playoffs. Then in the big games, when a team effort is needed, they fold.

 

That's just the way I see it.

[BillsPride12]

3 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

same can be said about Josh. neither has gotten to the dance and got a ring

I get this is about the team's but it seems like we are also singling out the Quarterbacks in this thread

 

Josh has done so much more in the playoffs than Lamar has. There's a huge difference there if you are making it a Josh v.s. Lamar thing 

[13 Seconds to Mars]

15 hours ago, Kelly No huddle said:

I have talked about this particular team and issue for a while, And I just can't help but think that the opinion from media and when it comes to accolades,  that this team is extremely overrated.

 

Since 2020 buffalo is 4-1 vs Baltimore.  With really only 1 great game from Allen.  His 2nd half in 22 was really good too....

 

The general zeitgeist over these past 5-6 yrs is that the ravens roster is " awesome " and better than buffalo.  I never agreed with this and Never understood why the ravens from a media standpoint got the level of respect that a team like the chiefs have. You could even argue there was a number of instances where the ravens got more respect than the chiefs... 

 

I never thought we would lose to them in the playoffs. 

 

I never thought kc would lose to them in the playoffs 

 

I also always feared Mahomes & Burrow more.

 

I thought Lamar being in the company of qbs with multiple mvps was borderline inappropriate and forcing a narrative. 

 

Kyle Hamilton has 1 int in 2 yrs and is a multiple all pro. Zero ints last year and all pro???

 

Am I way off in thinking here or do some of you guys agree?

 

I have Cincinnati as a clear favorite in their division.  Idk maybe its just me...

 

Go bills 

The Bills usually beat the Ravens, but you can tell it takes a lot out of them. They also have garbage coaching. How many times have they abandoned the run against us despite being extremely successful up until that point? They get down 10 points, panic, and have Lamar running around like a headless chicken.
 

Harbaugh (like McDermott) had to go. They should have a winning record against us in all honesty just terrible terrible coaching. Rewatch the games if you don’t believe me. 

[Allen2Moulds]

Lamar Jackson is one of the best regular season QB's of all-time. 

However, we all know that he becomes very average in the playoffs.

With the roster that the Ravens have surrounded Lamar with, if he played anywhere near Allen's level in the playoffs, they would have multiple Superbowl's at this point. 

 

Whenever you see the Ravens players, next to the Bills players, it reminds me of when you watch (2) pop warner teams, and the average size of one team, is considerably bigger than the other team.  You say uh oh.....it doesn't look good for the smaller team, which in this case is our beloved Bills.  and.....they've typically been the faster team as well.

 

We've been able to overcome them, because we have the ultimate Equalizer in Allen.

 

Over the last 2 drafts, we've added quite a bit of youth and athleticism, and hopefully that gap is not as big.

 

I would still feel a lot better, if had added a bigger DT like Reeder.  

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, nuklz2594 said:

wonder if romo had that ravens team, if he would've won a ring

if Josh was a raven....ring?

That's always one of my favorite thought exercises. Take one QB and switch with another and where would they be?

 

In this case, if Allen was a Raven and Lamar was a Bill...I think the Ravens would have won a couple rings. And I think the Bills would be a wild card team. I don't think as excellent as an athlete as Lamar is, he would elevate the Bills roster enough and over come the defensive issues enough to get to the big game. 

 

But give Josh Mark Andrews, Zay Flowers, Derek Henry and a defense that traditionally has stars on every level on it...yeah they would win it all. 

Edited May 4 by BuffaloBillyG

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

One could say the same of another particular team we're rather fond of. 

 

No... not really.

 

I don't know how much you pay attention to the national narrative, but the Bills have always really just been considered a Super Bowl contender because Josh Allen is a freak, which is true.  Our roster has never really been spoken very highly of.  Also reasonable.  

 

On the other hand, for years now the Ravens have been touted as having one of the best few rosters in the NFL.  The last 2 years got ridiculous and almost everyone in the national arena called them the best roster.  

 

And when they get bounced out of the playoffs or don't even make the playoffs like last year, it's almost glossed over and everyone starts talking about how great the Ravens will be next year.  It's happening already despite missing the playoffs last year.

 

Buffalo is a team at this point a lot of the national media seems to try to just avoid discussing.  They don't want to disparage the team because it's obviously achieved just about as much as a team can achieve over the last 6 years without actually making a Super Bowl.  But they also don't want to go out on any limbs and talk about Buffalo being a great team and Super Bowl pick in the upcoming year.  Funny to me because I think this is the year pundits would start betting on Buffalo with the additions and the pretty massive changes that are coming to our WR corps and our D.

 

Baltimore just has weird love that doesn't make much sense to me.

[thurst44]

3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

One could say the same of another particular team we're rather fond of. 

Bills at least win a game or two every year, go down swinging and Josh Allen doesn't completely disappear in the playoffs. I get what you mean, but it's not quite the same. Ravens crumple almost completely every year.

 

It may not matter in the long run, but it does make me feel that it's more likely the Bills and Josh eventually win one than the Ravens and Lamar...

[Gunsgoodtime]

Lamar Jackson himself is extremely overrated.  The media and something else i won't mention here is the reason.  The Ravens as a team is a bit confusing, looks much better on paper than on the field.  So yes, I would say the Ravens are overrated as well

[Talley56]

I recall watching Tom Grossi and Brendan Perna and they were both saying something about how the Ravens not going to a SB with the talent they have would be a huge missed Opportunity.  I like both of them but I was really scratching my head after hearing that.  I never thought the Ravens had amazing talent, even in the years like 2023, when they were the AFC one-seed, and 2024.  Lamar has been better than I thought he would be and Henry is a beast but they've only had Henry over the past two seasons.  Harbaugh is an amazing coach who seemed to get the best out of everyone, even when guys like Lamar were hurt, but when I look over their roster, it's not like I see overly elite talent.  If anyone has had too much talent to not make a SB, it would be Detroit IMHO.  I would also throw in SF as being a team with too much talent not to have won a SB by now.