Kelly No huddle Posted May 4 Posted May 4 (edited) I have talked about this particular team and issue for a while, And I just can't help but think that the opinion from media and when it comes to accolades, that this team is extremely overrated. Since 2020 buffalo is 4-1 vs Baltimore. With really only 1 great game from Allen. His 2nd half in 22 was really good too.... The general zeitgeist over these past 5-6 yrs is that the ravens roster is " awesome " and better than buffalo. I never agreed with this and Never understood why the ravens from a media standpoint got the level of respect that a team like the chiefs have. You could even argue there was a number of instances where the ravens got more respect than the chiefs... I never thought we would lose to them in the playoffs. I never thought kc would lose to them in the playoffs I also always feared Mahomes & Burrow more. I thought Lamar being in the company of qbs with multiple mvps was borderline inappropriate and forcing a narrative. Kyle Hamilton has 1 int in 2 yrs and is a multiple all pro. Zero ints last year and all pro??? Am I way off in thinking here or do some of you guys agree? I have Cincinnati as a clear favorite in their division. Idk maybe its just me... Go bills Edited May 4 by Kelly No huddle 3 1 1 Quote
Don Otreply Posted May 4 Posted May 4 They are overrated, they are riding on the coattails of the teams past history, are they a good team? Sometimes, yes, the Bills stole their souls at game one of last season, and they crumbled, now we will see if they can recover, Quote
Gamble7588 Posted May 4 Posted May 4 38 minutes ago, Kelly No huddle said: I thought Lamar being in the company of qbs with multiple mvps was borderline inappropriate and forcing a narrative. I have Cincinnati as a clear favorite in their division. Idk maybe its just me... I can understand thinking the Ravens are overrated because if they arent they have underachieved because as you have said they constantly are talked about as a top 2 roster in the league. Lamar has been at his worst in the playoffs, but I dont see how that sentence makes any sense when Lamar is a multiple time MVP so of course he belongs in that conversation. And if you wanna say Allen had a better year in Lamars second MVP season as well as Dak, but Lamar had the team success the same thing Applies to Lamar having a better year in Allens MVP season, but we were the better team with less talent from the medias PoV. Also why would the Bengals be the clear favorite? They havnt even made the playoffs in the last 3 seasons including one with Burrow having MVP level stats. If anything that Defense might be even worse now. 2 Quote
transplantbillsfan Posted May 4 Posted May 4 Yes. Massively. It's disgusting how much the vast majority of the national pundits hang on their jockstraps and almost immediately forget their wrongdoings. 1 1 Quote
Big Blitz Posted May 4 Posted May 4 45 minutes ago, Kelly No huddle said: I have talked about this particular team and issue for a while, And I just can't help but think that the opinion from media and when it comes to accolades, that this team is extremely overrated. Since 2020 buffalo is 4-1 vs Baltimore. With really only 1 great game from Allen. His 2nd half in 22 was really good too.... The general zeitgeist over these past 5-6 yrs is that the ravens roster is " awesome " and better than buffalo. I never agreed with this and Never understood why the ravens from a media standpoint got the level of respect that a team like the chiefs have. You could even argue there was a number of instances where the ravens got more respect than the chiefs... I never thought we would lose to them in the playoffs. I never thought kc would lose to them in the playoffs I also always feared Mahomes & Burrow more. I thought Lamar being in the company of qbs with multiple mvps was borderline inappropriate and forcing a narrative. Kyle Hamilton has 1 int in 2 yrs and is a multiple all pro. Zero ints last year and all pro??? Am I way off in thinking here or do some of you guys agree? I have Cincinnati as a clear favorite in their division. Idk maybe its just me... Go bills And ultimately this is why Harbaugh was canned. Not overrated but underachieved. Ownership thought he’d taken them as far as he could and it’s time for new leadership. 2 4 Quote
MJS Posted May 4 Posted May 4 Well, Lamar Jackson has been propped up by the media, the NFL, and players for his entire career. To his credit, he has developed into an elite QB. He is legit. But his praise has always been too high, especially when you compare it to Allen, who was always viewed with skepticism, doubt, and sometimes outright contempt. With all the narratives around the Bills and how they need to get over the hump, the same is true to an even greater extent with the Lamar Jackson Ravens, but you don't hear that from the national media nearly as much. So, yes, they have been overrated. They have been a very good team, though, and Jackson is a very good QB. They have just been a step behind the Bills. That said, I think they have had more elite players than the Bills have had. 3 5 Quote
Kelly No huddle Posted May 4 Author Posted May 4 6 minutes ago, Gamble7588 said: I can understand thinking the Ravens are overrated because if they arent they have underachieved because as you have said they constantly are talked about as a top 2 roster in the league. Lamar has been at his worst in the playoffs, but I dont see how that sentence makes any sense when Lamar is a multiple time MVP so of course he belongs in that conversation. And if you wanna say Allen had a better year in Lamars second MVP season as well as Dak, but Lamar had the team success the same thing Applies to Lamar having a better year in Allens MVP season, but we were the better team with less talent from the medias PoV. Also why would the Bengals be the clear favorite? They havnt even made the playoffs in the last 3 seasons including one with Burrow having MVP level stats. If anything that Defense might be even worse now. Putting Lamar in the conversation with other multiple mvp qbs seems silly. At least to me.... I don't fear him like Mahomes or Burrow. On its face its bizarre because why does Lamar have more 1st team all pros than mahomes??? It's also disingenuous to compare Lamars 23 mvp to Allen. Lamar didn't even have 30 total tds in 23.... Same thing with Kyle Hamilton. Hes good, but nowhere near what ppl think he is. 8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: And ultimately this is why Harbaugh was canned. Not overrated but underachieved. Ownership thought he’d taken them as far as he could and it’s time for new leadership. I never thought they underachieved... I never thought they would beat buffalo or kc , and I wouldn't pick them to beat buffalo, kc, or Cincinnati in a playoff game 1 Quote
MJS Posted May 4 Posted May 4 8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: And ultimately this is why Harbaugh was canned. Not overrated but underachieved. Ownership thought he’d taken them as far as he could and it’s time for new leadership. When a team consistently underachieves, that means they are overrated, in my book. Kind of like the Cowboys for all those years with Prescott. They'd get so much praise from the national media, and then underachieve every year. At some point people started realizing that they just actually weren't very good. 1 Quote
Big Blitz Posted May 4 Posted May 4 Just now, MJS said: When a team consistently underachieves, that means they are overrated, in my book. Kind of like the Cowboys for all those years with Prescott. They'd get so much praise from the national media, and then underachieve every year. At some point people started realizing that they just actually weren't very good. Injuries derailed us in the playoffs. It seemed to me that injuries plagued them more in the regular season. Last year most notably Lamar. And how much was week 1 his fault? That was the beginning of the end for Harbaugh. But losing Matabuke (sp?) decimated that defense. Their corners were always hurt. The 2025 roster wasn’t as good as 2022-24 roster. I think they’re thought of properly. I no longer felt last year they were talked about as a top 3 team. But everyone here was as we approached the playoffs as a potential 5 seed and having to go there. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted May 4 Posted May 4 Are they overrated? I think the media has broadly seen them as the third wheel in the Bills - Chiefs rivarly too. Which is exactly what they've been. In terms of their roster I think it has had more elite talent around the QB than the Bills has in that period... but their stars broadly are ageing - Ronnie Stanley, Marlon Humphrey, Mark Andrews are not the players they were. Nor is Derick Henry (aware he hasn't been there the whole time). They lost Linderbaum in free agency, Justin Tucker is already gone. But Kyle Hamilton definitely is still damn well elite as they come. If you don't think that I don't know what to tell you. Pound for pound one of the best players in the NFL. I'd say the only other prime age elite talent on the roster aside from him right now is Roquan Smith. And then there is the Lamar debate. He is an elite Quarterback and is so much better as a passer now than the guy he was when he won the first MVP. But he is, like the team, a third wheel in a sense. He isn't as good as Mahomes or Allen. I actually think he isn't as good as Burrow either but ever other team in the NFL with the exception of the ones with those three would swap for him tomorrow. I'm will say I am not persuaded by the Head Coach hire. I like Jesse MInter as a DC and maybe he can be a good Head Coach, but I didn't underatand firing John Harbaugh then hiring a Harbaugh protege. I don't expect them to contend seriously this season. 10 or 11 wins and a wildcard probably. 1 4 Quote
Gregg Posted May 4 Posted May 4 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Are they overrated? I think the media has broadly seen them as the third wheel in the Bills - Chiefs rivarly too. Which is exactly what they've been. In terms of their roster I think it has had more elite talent around the QB than the Bills has in that period... but their stars broadly are ageing - Ronnie Stanley, Marlon Humphrey, Mark Andrews are not the players they were. Nor is Derick Henry (aware he hasn't been there the whole time). They lost Linderbaum in free agency, Justin Tucker is already gone. But Kyle Hamilton definitely is still damn well elite as they come. If you don't think that I don't know what to tell you. Pound for pound one of the best players in the NFL. I'd say the only other prime age elite talent on the roster aside from him right now is Roquan Smith. And then there is the Lamar debate. He is an elite Quarterback and is so much better as a passer now than the guy he was when he won the first MVP. But he is, like the team, a third wheel in a sense. He isn't as good as Mahomes or Allen. I actually think he isn't as good as Burrow either but ever other team in the NFL with the exception of the ones with those three would swap for him tomorrow. I'm will say I am not persuaded by the Head Coach hire. I like Jesse MInter as a DC and maybe he can be a good Head Coach, but I didn't underatand firing John Harbaugh then hiring a Harbaugh protege. I don't expect them to contend seriously this season. 10 or 11 wins and a wildcard probably. 10-11 wins might win the North. The Browns are well the Browns. The Bengals can score but can their OL keep Burrow healthy, and can they play D which has been a problem in the past. The Steelers have a new coach so new systems/scheme to learn. Does Rodgers come back. Even if he does come back how much does he have left in the tank. Plus, everyone in that division hates everybody else. The games in the AFCN are usually all out wars. Quote
colin Posted May 4 Posted May 4 They are a little over rated. They are massively talented, and they have a crazy mix of size weight speed and they added van noy and Henry who are like force multipliers. They had (lost a lot of blocking talent) a monster power scheme mixed with great speed and misdirection. I think they were always intimidating and hard to play. All that said, they are chokers and mentally soft. Front runners. They are the second most under achieving team in the NFL over the last 5 seasons. 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted May 4 Posted May 4 (edited) 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Are they overrated? I think the media has broadly seen them as the third wheel in the Bills - Chiefs rivarly too. Which is exactly what they've been. In terms of their roster I think it has had more elite talent around the QB than the Bills has in that period... but their stars broadly are ageing - Ronnie Stanley, Marlon Humphrey, Mark Andrews are not the players they were. Nor is Derick Henry (aware he hasn't been there the whole time). They lost Linderbaum in free agency, Justin Tucker is already gone. But Kyle Hamilton definitely is still damn well elite as they come. If you don't think that I don't know what to tell you. Pound for pound one of the best players in the NFL. I'd say the only other prime age elite talent on the roster aside from him right now is Roquan Smith. And then there is the Lamar debate. He is an elite Quarterback and is so much better as a passer now than the guy he was when he won the first MVP. But he is, like the team, a third wheel in a sense. He isn't as good as Mahomes or Allen. I actually think he isn't as good as Burrow either but ever other team in the NFL with the exception of the ones with those three would swap for him tomorrow. I'm will say I am not persuaded by the Head Coach hire. I like Jesse MInter as a DC and maybe he can be a good Head Coach, but I didn't underatand firing John Harbaugh then hiring a Harbaugh protege. I don't expect them to contend seriously this season. 10 or 11 wins and a wildcard probably. Hit the nail on the head with 3rd wheel. Baltimore has pretty much been “next man up” to the Bills - Chiefs rivalry. They too have a HOF QB. They have pretty much been the next best team in the AFC for this run. At this point, it’s kind of a race between the Bills and Ravens to see who gets there first. Edited May 4 by Kirby Jackson Quote
SoTier Posted May 4 Posted May 4 10 hours ago, Kelly No huddle said: I have talked about this particular team and issue for a while, And I just can't help but think that the opinion from media and when it comes to accolades, that this team is extremely overrated. Since 2020 buffalo is 4-1 vs Baltimore. With really only 1 great game from Allen. His 2nd half in 22 was really good too.... The general zeitgeist over these past 5-6 yrs is that the ravens roster is " awesome " and better than buffalo. I never agreed with this and Never understood why the ravens from a media standpoint got the level of respect that a team like the chiefs have. You could even argue there was a number of instances where the ravens got more respect than the chiefs... I never thought we would lose to them in the playoffs. I never thought kc would lose to them in the playoffs I also always feared Mahomes & Burrow more. I thought Lamar being in the company of qbs with multiple mvps was borderline inappropriate and forcing a narrative. Kyle Hamilton has 1 int in 2 yrs and is a multiple all pro. Zero ints last year and all pro??? Am I way off in thinking here or do some of you guys agree? I have Cincinnati as a clear favorite in their division. Idk maybe its just me... Go bills The 2024 and 2025 Ravens rosters were definitely top shelf on paper -- and that was a consensus opinion by almost analysts. Those rosters were dotted with Pro Bowlers and highly touted players, especially on defense. Prior to 2024, they also had excellent defensive talent but there were some significant deficiencies on the offensive side of the ball. On the field, especially in the playoffs, the Ravens have never lived up to their talent. Lamar hasn't play well in the playoffs. First it was because he wasn't a particularly good passer and the Ravens lacked any downfield receiving threats. More recently, various players from Lamar and DH to defensive stars have committed too many turn overs on offense and/or failed to make plays on defense. I think the Ravens' failures are an indictment of John Harbaugh. I think that Harbaugh did Lamar a major disservice by hiring Greg Roman as his OC because Roman failed to develop Lamar's talent as a passer but used him as a running back who could pass. Lamar didn't become a first class passing QB until Todd Monken became the Ravens OC. Watching the Ravens' repeatedly make repeated turnovers in pressure games, I have to think that Harbaugh or his assistants have gotten into the players' head about turnovers. 1 Quote
boyst Posted May 4 Posted May 4 If Jackson never wins one he will be forgotten in a couple generations and it sucks. It will discredit what he did on the field just time has done this to Michael Vick and Dan Marino. It's the nature of the beast. Jackson is very good in this era even if he is overrated. None of that will matter unless he wins a championship. It is unfortunate to have history so easy to forget about guys like Jackson, Marino, Vick, etc. Quote
SoTier Posted May 4 Posted May 4 (edited) 10 hours ago, MJS said: When a team consistently underachieves, that means they are overrated, in my book. Kind of like the Cowboys for all those years with Prescott. They'd get so much praise from the national media, and then underachieve every year. At some point people started realizing that they just actually weren't very good. Not necessarily. The Ravens don't underachieve in the regular season very often, but they have absolutely fall apart in the playoffs. IMO, it's something mental, which is an indictment of how the coaches, starting at the top, are dealing with mistakes. Maybe there's a Raven locker room motto like "never forget ... (that you f'd up and lost us that game). I don't know but they play in pressure games like a team that is just waiting for somebody to F up. 2 hours ago, colin said: They are a little over rated. They are massively talented, and they have a crazy mix of size weight speed and they added van noy and Henry who are like force multipliers. They had (lost a lot of blocking talent) a monster power scheme mixed with great speed and misdirection. I think they were always intimidating and hard to play. All that said, they are chokers and mentally soft. Front runners. They are the second most under achieving team in the NFL over the last 5 seasons. I don't disagree, but that's a main job of a coach: mentally prepare a team to deal with adversity. Harbaugh hasn't done that. Edited May 4 by SoTier 1 1 Quote
JP51 Posted May 4 Posted May 4 Over rated team or team performance... I think they have a monster level of talent on the roster... (this is in the past, a lot of folks have recently left) but it was aging badly and still is... so I dont think it was over rated or at least by much, I do think at key positions it was in decline ... I think the fear factor or the performance especially in the playoff was over rated... and apparently so did the Ravens as the fired Harbaugh... This year, honestly I done have them rated... they have lost several key pieces, King H is another year older and I have never been a "Lamar is the best guy" .... absolutely elite, but I dont think he is in the Allen, Burrow, Mahomes tier... Short answer... in past years... maybe a bit over rated... (but people could say that about the Bills as well) but nothing outlandish... ) this year is going to be an interesting one for them. I am watching Henry closely... he is not ageless... eventually father time wins... this year... I dont know... but who knows... 1 Quote
Robert Paulson Posted May 4 Posted May 4 Yes. They are consistently picked as the favorite in September. Everyone gushes about their talent and they send 9 guys to the pro bowl and/ all pro teams. Then they choke and the national pundits say Lemur needs help. Get him some playmakers and you will see. Like clock work. Quote
Big Turk Posted May 4 Posted May 4 12 hours ago, Don Otreply said: They are overrated, they are riding on the coattails of the teams past history, are they a good team? Sometimes, yes, the Bills stole their souls at game one of last season, and they crumbled, now we will see if they can recover, You see what they are really about... Lamar Jackson stat padding with 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter in a game they are up 30+ points, still throwing TDs. 1 Quote
mushypeaches Posted May 4 Posted May 4 Despite all of Lamar's accomplishments, he is not a leader Close to Russell Wilson 2.0 with how he's been coddled And that's what great teams need and have at QB I shudder to think of what he's going to command on his upcoming next contract Frankly if the Ravens are smart (and I think they really are), they'll let him walk Won't be a popular decision, but I'll bet it ends up the correct one Quote
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