Buffalo Bills best win % of ALL major sports since 2020

[ngbills]

2 hours ago, Puckman5 said:

Josh did have two fumbles (the one before half was awful), but he had a 109 passer rating before the Cooks no catch.  We scored 30 points on Denver's D, in Denver.  Denver was averaging 18.3 points against last year.  Do you see where the real problem is?  They were averaging 23.6 PPG for last year.  We gave up 33.  Yea the turnovers hurt, but our defensive failures consistently hurt us. Do you think we would have even made it to that game without JA?  This is what a good defense does.  It makes the opposing QB less effective.  

The first half stunk all the way around. The Bills D turned things around in the second half holding DEN to under 50 yards until the final minutes in the 4th and the O was unstoppable. But, three chances to win the game with the O on the field...FG instead of TD that would have made it a two score game with 4 minutes. Then the game tying FG but multiple missed end zone chances. And lastly after a D stop in OT, just a FG wins it. Yes, as a whole the D could have played better. But they did do enough in the 2nd half to win. You have Josh Allen and expect to win with your O.

[TheFunPolice]

Our biggest issue, IMO, is a lack of top tier talent aside from Allen. 

 

In the regular season a buttoned up, systematic approach that keeps the game in front of you and takes advantage of mistakes when they are (often) made by the opponent, coupled with an all-world QB is going to win a ton of games. 

But once the playoffs come around that mental edge is not there because everyone is buttoned up and ready to play. Then it becomes about overall roster talent, especially at the top end, and IMO this is where we have been lacking aside from Allen. 

 

All those years of having a defensive minded HC and we never had our Chris Jones. We had a couple of nice safeties and some good CB play. DL flashed here and there. But no anchor that you know will make the huge play when the game is there to be won. 

 

With all the investment in draft capital and money on the DL it has been a flat out disappointment. 

Edited May 4 by TheFunPolice

[The Firebaugh Kid]

19 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

It has been a wonderful time to be a Bills fan.  The Drought was horrific.  Enjoy Josh every snap, someday he will retire.

The most entertaining player in the sport. Savor it, and remember the drought. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

From longest drought in all major sports to highest win percentage. 

[Puckman5]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

The first half stunk all the way around. The Bills D turned things around in the second half holding DEN to under 50 yards until the final minutes in the 4th and the O was unstoppable. But, three chances to win the game with the O on the field...FG instead of TD that would have made it a two score game with 4 minutes. Then the game tying FG but multiple missed end zone chances. And lastly after a D stop in OT, just a FG wins it. Yes, as a whole the D could have played better. But they did do enough in the 2nd half to win. You have Josh Allen and expect to win with your O.

I agree with some of it.  We still gave up 33 points.  It's a repeated pattern.  Why did we always have to adjust in second half's to get away from McDermott's original plan for the defense, which still failed in the end.  We all saw the cooks non-catch.  It may not have been "perfectly thrown", but it was a good throw that most think was a catch by Cooks.  Those saying it was a bad play by JA are out of their minds.  I do blame Beane (and McDermott) for not having better receivers considering we know we had to "win with the O" but we scored 30 points against a very good D, with a below meh receiving corps.  We can blame Beane some for the talent on the defensive side, but whose job was it to develop those players?  I think the biggest problem has been removed.  We'll see.  

[13 Seconds to Mars]

23 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

You know you would’ve thought by reading this board we were absolutely horrible.  I guess not.  We've literally been one of the winningest franchises in sports.  That’s why some of us get annoyed.  I’ll continue to contend people have short memories.

 

I hated being a joke for 17 years.  I’m so happy for my Sabres family and friends who are seeing that change.  My 95 yr. Old dad is on cloud nine.  So is my sister who's worked for the Sabres for 25 years.

 

Im starting to come around that Brady may actually be a nice fit for this team.  One can hope Leonard can also be a big lift.  It would be nice to see the legacy move forward of a winning culture.

The fact that the Bills are the winningest team since 2020 and they just fired their coach shows how much they’ve underachieved. We definitely should have 1 ring. 
 

With that being said, it’s an excellent time to be a fan of Buffalo sports. 

19 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Participation awards yay

So you’re telling me there’s zero difference between being the Jets versus a yearly contender and SB favorite ? 

Edited May 4 by 13 Seconds to Mars

[13 Seconds to Mars]

19 hours ago, BearNorth said:

8-6 in the playoffs could lead to that, esp when KC was 13-3 over the same time period.

I imagine this must be what Dolphins fans felt like in the 80s and 90s. Best QB in the universe, but can’t get over the hump because of 1 team. 

[machine gun kelly]

21 hours ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:

“Good, not great,” has been my mantra for most aspects of this organization for the last few years. It’s just such a strange dynamic as a fan. Weird mix of gratitude and resentment. Ambivalence: the life of a Bills fan. But seriously, as an org, so far, we peaked in that first Super Bowl. Just one before I…..

 

A book you should consider is “From Good to Great” by John Wooden.  The legendary college basketball coach who won more championships than anyone in recent history.  It’s a great read.  Lots of telling moments about to create a great organization.

 

Wooden was the man.

[13 Seconds to Mars]

2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

Our biggest issue, IMO, is a lack of top tier talent aside from Allen. 

 

In the regular season a buttoned up, systematic approach that keeps the game in front of you and takes advantage of mistakes when they are (often) made by the opponent, coupled with an all-world QB is going to win a ton of games. 

But once the playoffs come around that mental edge is not there because everyone is buttoned up and ready to play. Then it becomes about overall roster talent, especially at the top end, and IMO this is where we have been lacking aside from Allen. 

 

All those years of having a defensive minded HC and we never had our Chris Jones. We had a couple of nice safeties and some good CB play. DL flashed here and there. But no anchor that you know will make the huge play when the game is there to be won. 

 

With all the investment in draft capital and money on the DL it has been a flat out disappointment. 

Beane needs to draft better. Point blank period. The blame lies on him. This roster needs DOGS on the defense. A head hunter like Bob Sanders that instills fear in receivers going over the middle or a pass rushing demon like Myles Garett. Beane hasn’t drafted one pure blue chip defender. This needs to change. 

16 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

It doesn’t happen by accident. We have the best player at the most important position in the sport. Playing in a division during that time where Tua wasn’t just 2nd, he was above 3rd and 4th by a mile. The AFC east has been bad for the better part of the last 10 years. What should we expect our record to be with that big of an advantage?

The Patriots had that same advantage for 20 years. 

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, 13 Seconds to Mars said:

Beane needs to draft better. Point blank period. The blame lies on him. This roster needs DOGS on the defense. A head hunter like Bob Sanders that instills fear in receivers going over the middle or a pass rushing demon like Myles Garett. Beane hasn’t drafted one pure blue chip defender. This needs to change. 

The Patriots had that same advantage for 20 years. 

But they parlayed that into championships. A bunch of them. We didn't even make a Super Bowl. 

[13 Seconds to Mars]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

But they parlayed that into championships. A bunch of them. We didn't even make a Super Bowl. 

A lot of fishy stuff going on with those championships, but I’m not going to open that can of worms…

[Mikie2times]

Just now, 13 Seconds to Mars said:

A lot of fishy stuff going on with those championships, but I’m not going to open that can of worms…

Sure, I can't invalidate all of it though. I guess my main point here, is what do people expect our record should have been during this time? Allen was healthy the entire stretch. Most teams in the AFC east didn't even have a journeymen level starter. People hold up this era and its success with the AFC east crowns and the regular season record. But did we really accomplish that much here? If you aren't making the playoffs with Josh Allen vs this division the better part of a decade you're dysfunctional from my POV. 

[13 Seconds to Mars]

6 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Sure, I can't invalidate all of it though. I guess my main point here, is what do people expect our record should have been during this time? Allen was healthy the entire stretch. Most teams in the AFC east didn't even have a journeymen level starter. People hold up this era and its success with the AFC east crowns and the regular season record. But did we really accomplish that much here? If you aren't making the playoffs with Josh Allen vs this division the better part of a decade you're dysfunctional from my POV. 

Having a great QB doesn’t always matter. Lamar, Mahomes, and Burrow all missed the playoffs. Allen and the Bills always find a way. Always, always. 
 

And I put weight in division titles. Those are accomplishments. Consistency in a league notorious for its parity is an accomplishment. 

[Mikie2times]

7 minutes ago, 13 Seconds to Mars said:

Having a great QB doesn’t always matter. Lamar, Mahomes, and Burrow all missed the playoffs. Allen and the Bills always find a way. Always, always. 
 

And I put weight in division titles. Those are accomplishments. Consistency in a league notorious for its parity is an accomplishment. 

But two of those guys play in the same division and have had consistent health issues. KC does not play in a very competitive division until recently, but they have multiple rings. Again, what was the expectation with Allen facing the likes of Tua and a bunch of guys who will never be NFL starters? It would seem not winning the division these years or worse missing the playoffs would have been more of a massive failure vs something to hang your hat on.  

[colin]

7 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

Josh was not great against Denver last year. 

 

And the defense looks like a sieve when the offense has FIVE turnovers, four of them from Josh... 

 

Even if the defense was just average, they would've easily won the game had the offense not turned the ball over so often. 

 

The defense was put in a terrible position, yet we're going to blame them... despite the fact they got a stop in OT & gave the ball back to the offense, game on the line, with just needing a FG to win the game?

 

How can you expect to win against the 1 seed on the road when you're turning the ball over FIVE TIMES? Even if you want to hand-wave away the final INT, Josh still had 3 turnovers... one right before half that was very much a turnover a veteran/best QB in the league should never make. 

 

Without that one, they would've won. 

 

 

here is a link to the EPA on that game.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202601170den.htm#all_expected_points

 

 

so no, the D was not average.  it let denver have it's 4th best game of the season, and denver isn't good on o, nor did they face good defenses all season.

[WNYFAN1]

21 hours ago, Kelly No huddle said:

They have been a great team , that hasn't won a championship imo

 

They also have since 2020:

 

Highest point differential 

Most double digit wins

Most wins

Most pts scored

Won at least 1 playoff game ever year

 

Very similar to the 60s cowboys " next year's champions" or late 60s- mid 70s raiders

 

 

Dvoa in the regular season & playoffs 

 

20 - 4th

21- 1st

22- 1st

23- 4th

24- 4th

25- 8th

I wonder how much of this can be attributed to being in the AFC East?

[13 Seconds to Mars]

24 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

But two of those guys play in the same division and have had consistent health issues. KC does not play in a very competitive division until recently, but they have multiple rings. Again, what was the expectation with Allen facing the likes of Tua and a bunch of guys who will never be NFL starters? It would seem not winning the division these years or worse missing the playoffs would have been more of a massive failure vs something to hang your hat on.  

My point is you still have to play 11 other non-divisional games. I don’t think the Dolphins were as garbage as people thought. They always played Buffalo tough and the Bills had to go on some pretty insane runs to wrap up the divisions. 2023 and 24 were both solid years for Tua. Allen is Brady, Tua is Chad Pennington. 

[colin]

40 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

I wonder how much of this can be attributed to being in the AFC East?

 

that's a good question, if you look at our point differential vs in division vs out of division, you'll get a long way to your answer.

[NORWOODS FOOT]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

A book you should consider is “From Good to Great” by John Wooden.  The legendary college basketball coach who won more championships than anyone in recent history.  It’s a great read.  Lots of telling moments about to create a great organization.

 

Wooden was the man.

thank you for taking the time to make this recommendation. I seriously will look into it and may listen to it on Audible on my commute. In addition to my day job, I’m working on getting a startup off the ground, that I hope is lucrative, yes,  but actually does some good for humanity. I’ll take wisdom wherever I can find it. So truly, thank you very much for taking the time to share this.

 

Edited May 4 by NORWOODS FOOT

[Steptide]

Man, we seem to have all kinda records since we got Allen, just can't get to that superbowl