Keep telling us McD wasn’t the problem…

[MJS]

Why even start a McDermott thread? So classless. He is gone. Get over it. Move on. This post is so cringey...

[Breakout Squad]

Already posted in another thread. Same arguments over and over. I agree with @MJS

[HurlyBurly51]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Bad coaching

 

I’m sure this is just a hit job, right?

 

Considering the source, yes.

[BillsFanForever19]

I see so many rolling their eyes at this 

 

Is it really so hard to believe after watching this team, especially the past two years, that opposing offensive coordinators had the book on McDermott's scheme?

[US Egg]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

I can't wait till Joe Brady doesn't win a Super bowl for 3 or 4 years and what they're going to start saying about him

That’s the spirit!

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Many of us have pointed this out for years. McDermott's defense padded the stats against some truly terrible QBs and routinely got shredded by good QBs.

His defensedid make some plays in key moments/games over the years. 

And the best QBs make plays against even the best defenses.

However the defense failed more often than not even dating back to the Houston playoff second half choke.

 

Time to move on. 

 

Leonard and Brady get no pass. The expectation is SuperBowl. Nothing less is a success. Two years and that's it. If no Lombardi in two years fire everyone and give Allen a couple more years with a new regime.

 

[Sierra Foothills]

The McDermott era ended with 8 playoff appearances in 9 years.

 

They won 5 AFC East titles but never the top seed in the AFC.

 

His playoff record was 8-8.

 

His record in AFC Championship games was 0-2, thus he never got the Bills to the Super Bowl.

 

Edited April 29 by Sierra Foothills

[gobills404]

Who is this thread even supposed to be a “told you so” for? The main point is that McD’s defense stunk in the playoffs which literally every Bills fan agrees with. 

 

[Ray Stonada]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

2024 AFCCG, KC scored 32 on us and we lost despite scoring 29.  KC didn’t score 30 in any other game that season, reg or post.  29 should have beaten them, but our D again gave up 32.

 

I was at that game and it looked like we couldn't stop them on a single play. They were carving through us like butter. Only the crazy fumble (Hardman?) on the goal line prevented them from another touchdown, too. We had a lot of injuries but still, it was clearly a terrible scheme. 

[billsfan714]

McDs defense is good on the back end and bad on the front end.  The problems with the rush defense are well known.  It cant be argued. But with that being said, the real problem was lack of generating a pass rush and the run defense.  They go together.  In both Chiefs losses Mahomes out rushed and out touchdowned Josh.  They couldnt get Mahomes on the ground when it counted. The Bills D made Mahomes look like Lamar. They couldnt get Bo Nix on the ground once.  They got to Burrow once for 2 yards, he still threw for 243 in bad weather.  

 

The inability to get the other teams QB on the ground is our playoff kryptonite.  Drake Maye got the superbowl scoring 16, 21 and 10 on offense. That would pretty much be cakewalk for Josh and the offense.   Someone posted above the McD Bills have 2 wins where they scored under 20 points. Any talk about another receiver or too many screens or whatever other complaint some fans have about the offense is ignoring the elephant in the room.  Its just more of Josh put the cape on and save us.  Any chance of moving to the next level depends on an improved D.  I watched the last 2 superbowls and seen each winning team get 6 sacks and score on defense.  To make an analogy, in texas holdem our offense is a good pocket pair and our defense is 10-8 unsuited.  I know I want to see a more creative attacking defense and that wasn't Sean's wheelhouse. Until the D gets to the next level its going to be more of the same.  Do I know if Leonard and draft picks and FA signing are going to do it, no I dont.  But I couldnt take another year of same old same old playoff D when the stakes get high.  I dont think anyone ever watched a last playoff game and went wow, the defense was awesome.  Its a team game, 2 side of the ball and one side isnt picking up their end.

Edited April 29 by billsfan714

[Alphadawg7]

25 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

 

I was at that game and it looked like we couldn't stop them on a single play. They were carving through us like butter. Only the crazy fumble (Hardman?) on the goal line prevented them from another touchdown, too. We had a lot of injuries but still, it was clearly a terrible scheme. 

It was unreal how easy converting 3rd downs was for KC all game.  

[colin]

This thread has added penis-y to my vocabulary and thus is a triumph of literary might.

 

Aside from people pretending to have served in war with mcisis thinking he is the most stand-up high character man who ever walked the surface of the earth (a man who is willing to bench tyrod for his buddy peterman the literal worst QB to ever lace them up ,to wake players up, to firing or being in blad blood terms with his OC for every OC he's ever had before he himself got fired, fire them mid season even when his d and special teams are the reason for losses, who is willing to snap fire special team coaches, who is willing to emasculate defensive coaches by just snatching play calling from them when things are bad, who will call out OCs for being cute.  And keep in mind I support nearly all of these moves he made as a HC, it just shows that deep down he's ruthless and looking out for number one like every ultra competitive NFL head coach.  He's only charitable to a fault with the players he personally loves which seemed to not include Allen, the greatest QB alive or dead) why are you even kinda defending MCD while castigating beane?

 

I get beane has made like the same kinda draft picks and moves a million times, and I'm willing to admit while I think MCD had at least some say in the types of players drafted and obviously total say on game day and preparation stuff, it's clear today that beane has his way of drafting and extending guys and many of the flaws in the roster are clearly a result of his designs; but beane has our together a really really good team.  Depth and having guys all inured every year is something you can at least in good part blame on beane, and he made the greatest set of moves of all time in his first draft to manufacture the selection of Allen.  Like, if MCD was ever even a good above average coach, then beane is the at the very least a well above average GM who has put us on the doorstep of a chip for five straight years.

 

3.88 points per drive in 8 playoff losses, 7 with Allen, is not a match up issue because of a bad roster, quite provable based on the fact that fill half of those losses came against came against a top flight team who we beat 5 times in the regular season, at home and away, including in 3 consecutive years in the regular season.  Always losing your second of two games vs your rival who you best the first game is as clear an image of a coaching failure as can be drawn.

 

Is really like someone to give a football reason, not a sort of cult of personality "he's a good man" glad handing analysis for saying McDermott had any right to still be on the team, let alone not having deserved an immediate and unceramonious dismissal before the plane left KC in 2022 after 13 seconds.

 

The numbers dont lie over a 9 year period.  You do not go from adequate and at times good to very good on d in the regular season to 3.88 points per drive (literally the worst of all time, how can fans even begin to accept this?) in playoff losses for a decade and too your cap at the coaching.  It's an all time level choke job performance over 3 times the length of the average players NFL career.  If it was all roster based, you'd see the same level of suck vs the same teams in the regular season, and we simply did not see that.  

 

Unless you think dunne is making it up (and if he is, how the hell do you explain away MCD admitting to the pro usama bin laden analogy?  Clearly dunne has real inside sources) what do you say about external NFL coaches confirming exactly what 9 years of numbers told us, that you can set your watch to what mcds d was going to do when the chips were down?  Do you need to see 4.88 yards per drive allowed, 5.88 points per drive?  No one scores like that in you because your players just suck but also loses to you ,in the regular season 5 years in a row with much lower offensive production.  It is because they figure you out and you do the same things again in the playoffs.  It's because just like two plays against us leading to 14 immediate points, when you are vulnerable because of a one snap ref enforced injury down, a non NFL level player (and every team is bad at the deepest depth of the roster) comes on the field and you leave him on and island for that snap which is predetermined by the 2nd year not even very good QB to just throw at the stiff.  That cost is a trip to the super bowl!

 

13 seconds cost is a trip to the super bowl and almost certainly a super bowl win.  The Hamlin fake punt and AJ klien playing over williams cost us an AFC chip game and very likely a trip to the super bowl.  Those idiot coaching errors cost us what very likely could have been 3 rings, all made by the same guy!

 

MCD is a highly qualified ruthless dedicated NFL coach.  Football puts everything else in his life, including going to church and his family in the back seat.  He is not a kind uncle or the most altruistic kind hearted man on the block.  He's an NFL killer just like the rest of them and he has proven mathematically that he is a loser in big games.  The only value these people have to us as fans is their ability to bring us visceral glory by delivering chips.  He is championship kryptonite 

[uticaclub]

5 hours ago, gobills404 said:

Who is this thread even supposed to be a “told you so” for? The main point is that McD’s defense stunk in the playoffs which literally every Bills fan agrees with. 

 

Unfortunately not every fan agrees

Edited April 29 by uticaclub

[Gregg]

1 hour ago, colin said:

This thread has added penis-y to my vocabulary and thus is a triumph of literary might.

 

Aside from people pretending to have served in war with mcisis thinking he is the most stand-up high character man who ever walked the surface of the earth (a man who is willing to bench tyrod for his buddy peterman the literal worst QB to ever lace them up ,to wake players up, to firing or being in blad blood terms with his OC for every OC he's ever had before he himself got fired, fire them mid season even when his d and special teams are the reason for losses, who is willing to snap fire special team coaches, who is willing to emasculate defensive coaches by just snatching play calling from them when things are bad, who will call out OCs for being cute.  And keep in mind I support nearly all of these moves he made as a HC, it just shows that deep down he's ruthless and looking out for number one like every ultra competitive NFL head coach.  He's only charitable to a fault with the players he personally loves which seemed to not include Allen, the greatest QB alive or dead) why are you even kinda defending MCD while castigating beane?

 

I get beane has made like the same kinda draft picks and moves a million times, and I'm willing to admit while I think MCD had at least some say in the types of players drafted and obviously total say on game day and preparation stuff, it's clear today that beane has his way of drafting and extending guys and many of the flaws in the roster are clearly a result of his designs; but beane has our together a really really good team.  Depth and having guys all inured every year is something you can at least in good part blame on beane, and he made the greatest set of moves of all time in his first draft to manufacture the selection of Allen.  Like, if MCD was ever even a good above average coach, then beane is the at the very least a well above average GM who has put us on the doorstep of a chip for five straight years.

 

3.88 points per drive in 8 playoff losses, 7 with Allen, is not a match up issue because of a bad roster, quite provable based on the fact that fill half of those losses came against came against a top flight team who we beat 5 times in the regular season, at home and away, including in 3 consecutive years in the regular season.  Always losing your second of two games vs your rival who you best the first game is as clear an image of a coaching failure as can be drawn.

 

Is really like someone to give a football reason, not a sort of cult of personality "he's a good man" glad handing analysis for saying McDermott had any right to still be on the team, let alone not having deserved an immediate and unceramonious dismissal before the plane left KC in 2022 after 13 seconds.

 

The numbers dont lie over a 9 year period.  You do not go from adequate and at times good to very good on d in the regular season to 3.88 points per drive (literally the worst of all time, how can fans even begin to accept this?) in playoff losses for a decade and too your cap at the coaching.  It's an all time level choke job performance over 3 times the length of the average players NFL career.  If it was all roster based, you'd see the same level of suck vs the same teams in the regular season, and we simply did not see that.  

 

Unless you think dunne is making it up (and if he is, how the hell do you explain away MCD admitting to the pro usama bin laden analogy?  Clearly dunne has real inside sources) what do you say about external NFL coaches confirming exactly what 9 years of numbers told us, that you can set your watch to what mcds d was going to do when the chips were down?  Do you need to see 4.88 yards per drive allowed, 5.88 points per drive?  No one scores like that in you because your players just suck but also loses to you ,in the regular season 5 years in a row with much lower offensive production.  It is because they figure you out and you do the same things again in the playoffs.  It's because just like two plays against us leading to 14 immediate points, when you are vulnerable because of a one snap ref enforced injury down, a non NFL level player (and every team is bad at the deepest depth of the roster) comes on the field and you leave him on and island for that snap which is predetermined by the 2nd year not even very good QB to just throw at the stiff.  That cost is a trip to the super bowl!

 

13 seconds cost is a trip to the super bowl and almost certainly a super bowl win.  The Hamlin fake punt and AJ klien playing over williams cost us an AFC chip game and very likely a trip to the super bowl.  Those idiot coaching errors cost us what very likely could have been 3 rings, all made by the same guy!

 

MCD is a highly qualified ruthless dedicated NFL coach.  Football puts everything else in his life, including going to church and his family in the back seat.  He is not a kind uncle or the most altruistic kind hearted man on the block.  He's an NFL killer just like the rest of them and he has proven mathematically that he is a loser in big games.  The only value these people have to us as fans is their ability to bring us visceral glory by delivering chips.  He is championship kryptonite 

 

13 seconds cost them a trip to the AFCCG vs the Bengals. There is no guarantee the Bills win that as Burrow has shown he can tear apart a McDermott defense.

[strive_for_five_guy]

It’s easy for interview candidates to be critical of McD’s defenses, at that point.  They know that narrative will play well with the hiring parties bc Terry had already put the blame at McD’s feet by firing him.  Just reinforces what Terry would have wanted to believe.

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, MJS said:

Ty Dunne makes his living off of Sean McDermott hit pieces.

 

He's correctly hit his target every time, as it turns out.

[BuffaloBill]

8 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Nothing to see here really.

 

Why would a prospective head coach say in the interview "oh yeah, that coach you just fired, he has a great defensive scheme. You guys were foolish to fire him".

 

Just the opposite is true. Whether they believe it or not themselves, they are going to tell ownership and Beane they were correct in firing McDermott because his defense was stale and they are going to bring in a new system/DC. 

I disagree very much - you can learn a great deal in interviews - including about the perception of your organization from people who compete against it. I am sad that the McDermott era had to end the way that it did. However, it needed to end.

[dayman]

McD was capable of evolving. His scheme was the best fit for what he actually had—note that is different from what the roster said he would have in week 1. The injuries this last 2 years in particular were horrible. Last year was a hilarious joke how bad he had it. 
 

The funny part will be if Ed and Hoecht are healthy and we have a pass rush that makes everything else click into place people will blame McD’s scheme.

 

Bottom line he was never given tools to rush the passer that were healthy or worked. Without that there’s very little you can do in the playoffs.

Edited April 29 by dayman

[Captain_Quint]

8 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Ya, I don't think he was very relatable. I know he gained traction and respect over time with how he cared about players family's and such. I worry Brady might be too relatable. We will see. It's not always easy to go from a guy that was likely trying to bridge the gap with a less relatable HC, to now having to be in full control of the whole thing. Sometimes it's just better that the person leaves all together so he can reestablish his identity a bit more. It will be one of the things I'm looking at this season especially when we face adversity.    

I don't know. Those clear glasses really turned some heads and bought him some serious street cred. 

 

[Einstein]

9 hours ago, eball said:

Bad coaching

 

I’m sure this is just a hit job, right?

 

 

So you woke up today and decided to post a garbage websites recap of Tyler Dunne’s hit piece that was already posted a week ago?

 

“Breaking News: article claims McDermott ran a bend but don’t break defense.”

 

 

Edited April 29 by Einstein