2nd wave of FA

[oldmanfan]

I think they bring back Cooks and Thompson.  Then I’d look at DT and try to get Reader or even bring Daquan back.  Sadly I don’t see them bringing Milano or Tre back; great warriors for us for years but time marches on.

[DJB]

I’m excited about today I’m hoping we can add an impact FA to either improve a starter position or dramatically improve our depth. 
 

NT and LB would be ideal. 
 

I do suspect we will be adding a veteran corner 

[frostbitmic]

WR(6) - Shakir, Moore, Palmer, Coleman, Bell, Shavers (If Shavers to PUP or IR) Hardman ... I guess I'm not seeing Cooks or anyone else here.

 

ILB(4) - Bernard, Williams, Elarms-Orr, Buffalo Joe ... Ouch SOS ... Thompson ?, Milano ? ... Spector at some point seems obvious 🤣

 

NT (0) - Passing on the kid from Ohio St and not drafting anyone to play the position tells me they're probably fattening Mathis and Carter up as we speak. Put Oliver in at NT and we'll see less of him than last year.

 

EDGE (5) - Rousseau, Chubb, Hoecht, Parker, Solomon

 

Safety (6) - Bishop, CJGJ, Stone, Hancock, Kilgore, Franklin (ST)

 

CB (5) - Benford, Hairston (Hopefully healthy) Alford, Igbinosun, ??? ( Pride Jr, Porter Jr, Couch, Devonshire) ... May need to add someone here

 

DE (6) - Oliver, Walker, Sanders, Mathis, Carter, Durant ... I'm guessing Jackson is a probable PUP or IR ... Logue to PS.

 

OL (10)

Dawkins, Grable

Corbett, SVPG, Bowry ..... Is SVPG on his way out ?

McGovern, Cushenberry

Torrence, Anderson

Brown, Luntz

 

QB, RB, TE I can't see adding anyone here.

[The Jokeman]

9 hours ago, Mango said:

Am I the only guy who doesn't really have much interest in Cooks? I thought he was running on fumes.

As a depth piece he's fine but to count him starting with DJ Moore might be asking too much. 

[Kirby Jackson]

26 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

As a depth piece he's fine but to count him starting with DJ Moore might be asking too much. 

As opposed to? That’s where I’m at with it. Cooks is certainly more of a role player today than he was a decade ago. At the same time, I THINK we’d all agree that as of today, he is a better player than Keon/Palmer.
 

The Bills definitely thought so a few months ago. They made him a focal point down the stretch. They talked to him before the draft and agreed to circle back after. It was a guarantee that they were drafting at least 1 WR. I suspect that a guy early, like Concepcion, would have eliminated the need for Cooks. Bell isn’t as raw as many of the other day 3 candidates. At the same time, they have a hole on long speed and that’s what they brought Cooks here to help with last time. It just feels like an obvious fit IMO. 
 

@gonzo1105 has been hammering on a depth WR needs to play ST. In this scenario, Josh Palmer would fill that role IMO (assuming Shavers is out). Palmer came up as a gunner. He would be a depth WR and ST guy. I have no idea who returns punts this year but that’s a different conversation. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

I would be surprised if they brought back D. Jones. He wants to go to patriots. Was mad that McDermott got let go. Got into it with fans. Had some issues with his side pieces and his wife here too. 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

2 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Had some issues with his side pieces and his wife here too. 

 

Where's this from?

[Not at the table Karlos]

2 minutes ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said:

 

Where's this from?

His wife. The side girl. People around them. Was all over social media towards the end of the season. 

Edited April 27 by Not at the table Karlos

[SCBills]

9 hours ago, Mango said:

Am I the only guy who doesn't really have much interest in Cooks? I thought he was running on fumes.

With the addition of Bell and obvious belief (warranted, we’ll see) in Keon, I’m out on Cooks. 
 

Let Bell, Keon and Palmer battle for WR3 after Moore and Shakir.

 

Unless he wants to sign for the vet minimum and be thrown into that group. 
 

Id rather save our money for a vet CB, vet LB and/or the mystical NT that our team doesn’t believe in. 
 

Daquan Jones in a reduced role on run downs at NT and Shaq Thompson would suffice for me. 

[gonzo1105]

20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

As opposed to? That’s where I’m at with it. Cooks is certainly more of a role player today than he was a decade ago. At the same time, I THINK we’d all agree that as of today, he is a better player than Keon/Palmer.
 

The Bills definitely thought so a few months ago. They made him a focal point down the stretch. They talked to him before the draft and agreed to circle back after. It was a guarantee that they were drafting at least 1 WR. I suspect that a guy early, like Concepcion, would have eliminated the need for Cooks. Bell isn’t as raw as many of the other day 3 candidates. At the same time, they have a hole on long speed and that’s what they brought Cooks here to help with last time. It just feels like an obvious fit IMO. 
 

@gonzo1105 has been hammering on a depth WR needs to play ST. In this scenario, Josh Palmer would fill that role IMO (assuming Shavers is out). Palmer came up as a gunner. He would be a depth WR and ST guy. I have no idea who returns punts this year but that’s a different conversation. 

Yea I assume Palmer/Bell will be the two WRs that do STs duties. Coleman may be asked to PR. He did it in College or it may fall on Shakir again. 
 

Desmond Reid’s way to make the roster is his Punt return ability but Gore is ahead of him and then they would have to not roster a FB. If they don’t roster a FB I would assume they would keep Latu as TE# 4 over Reid/Gore

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

His wife. The side girl. People around them. Was all over social media towards the end of the season. 

 

Huh, can't find anything

[JP51]

I am thinking cooks and Shaq are the guys most immediate... there may be others to the PS later on if they are still available. 

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

WR(6) - Shakir, Moore, Palmer, Coleman, Bell, Shavers (If Shavers to PUP or IR) Hardman ... I guess I'm not seeing Cooks or anyone else here.

 

because of a PUPed Shavers and Mecole Hardman?????

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

NT (0) - Passing on the kid from Ohio St and not drafting anyone to play the position tells me they're probably fattening Mathis and Carter up as we speak. Put Oliver in at NT and we'll see less of him than last year.

 

 

Beane said Carter has bulked up and will be an NT

 

2 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

 

 

 

DE (6) - Oliver, Walker, Sanders, Mathis, Carter, Durant ... I'm guessing Jackson is a probable PUP or IR ... Logue to PS.

 

 

Jackson has bulked up and will be a 4i... also stated by Beane.

 

And he sounds pretty much good to go.

[Magox]

 

A couple things:

 

A) This implies to me that the Bills are still looking for other options at the NT.  Deone Walker I think can line up in multiple positions on the line, but he shouldn't be getting over 50% of all the NT snaps.  I think they will get someone who will either start or get significant snaps at NT

 

B) I can't think of his name right now but there was a poster who seems knowledgeable that was making the case that Oliver would be the NT.  I never bought that for one second, I know people keep saying some sort of iteration of "NT's now adays aren't as big as they used to be and under this defense it will be a smaller penetrating kind of guy"  That's just not supported by the facts, there are 15 starting NT's and only 4 are below 315 lbs, the average starting NT is 333 lbs.  Yes, Denver had their NT DJ Jones and he is 6'0 305 lbs, but he is a stout 305 guy, and he certainly doesn't fit the mold of the typical NT.   It is true that NT's aren't typically your two gapping immovable dudes like they were designed to be before but they are still huge, they just tend to be more athletic than what they were 5 years ago.

 

 

 

[BillyBilliams]

Based on how the draft went, Milano is a must sign. You sign Tre to the practice squad if you feel you need CB depth still, and players like Lawson/Epenesa are not coming here unless something weird happens.

I think if NT is a desperate need, D.J. Reader is still available. 

[MrEpsYtown]

5 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

A couple things:

 

A) This implies to me that the Bills are still looking for other options at the NT.  Deone Walker I think can line up in multiple positions on the line, but he shouldn't be getting over 50% of all the NT snaps.  I think they will get someone who will either start or get significant snaps at NT

 

B) I can't think of his name right now but there was a poster who seems knowledgeable that was making the case that Oliver would be the NT.  I never bought that for one second, I know people keep saying some sort of iteration of "NT's now adays aren't as big as they used to be and under this defense it will be a smaller penetrating kind of guy"  That's just not supported by the facts, there are 15 starting NT's and only 4 are below 315 lbs, the average starting NT is 333 lbs.  Yes, Denver had their NT DJ Jones and he is 6'0 305 lbs, but he is a stout 305 guy, and he certainly doesn't fit the mold of the typical NT.   It is true that NT's aren't typically your two gapping immovable dudes like they were designed to be before but they are still huge, they just tend to be more athletic than what they were 5 years ago.

 

 

 

My take on it is that they don’t want a nose tackle. They have had multiple chances to add one, fairly cheap in free agency and then passed on them all in the draft. And did not sign one as a UDFA. Despite what fans want, they don’t want one. They want guys who are versatile, it’s what they keep saying. They don’t want a 2 gapping tub of goo. That’s my interpretation of it all. From all accounts Leonhard is going to be running a 1 gap aggressive style, over under defense. 

 

I think they will go to OTAs and see how it all looks, see where the pieces fit, and if they have to add a body at some point,  they will. 

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

My take on it is that they don’t want a nose tackle. They have had multiple chances to add one, fairly cheap in free agency and then passed on them all in the draft. And did not sign one as a UDFA. Despite what fans want, they don’t want one. They want guys who are versatile, it’s what they keep saying. They don’t want a 2 gapping tub of goo. That’s my interpretation of it all. From all accounts Leonhard is going to be running a 1 gap aggressive style, over under defense. 

 

I think they will go to OTAs and see how it all looks, see where the pieces fit, and if they have to add a body at some point,  they will. 

 

I hear ya, but I am not convinced.  

 

Here is more context to that statement, and I think it somewhat supports it.   I do think they will go for another NT, a true NT.  That's my belief and I am sticking to it.

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

My take on it is that they don’t want a nose tackle. They have had multiple chances to add one, fairly cheap in free agency and then passed on them all in the draft. And did not sign one as a UDFA. Despite what fans want, they don’t want one. They want guys who are versatile, it’s what they keep saying. They don’t want a 2 gapping tub of goo. That’s my interpretation of it all. From all accounts Leonhard is going to be running a 1 gap aggressive style, over under defense. 

 

I think they will go to OTAs and see how it all looks, see where the pieces fit, and if they have to add a body at some point,  they will. 

Follow their actions. You hit the nail on the head.

 

I was having a similar conversation in another thread about punter. They signed Wishnowsky back for pretty much no guaranteed money. They then started working out punters and using top 30 visits on them. That’s rare. They then drafted a guy. That tells me, “he is the plan.”

 

NT is the same way. They did very little to address it despite plenty of opportunities to do so. They had a lot of day 3 picks and there were guys to fill that role. They elected against it. They supposedly were in on Dexter Lawrence but that’s a completely different situation. They wanted him because he’s one of the best football players in the world that just happens to be a NT. Maybe they bring in a body but I suspect that they don’t. 

[MrEpsYtown]