Lamar Jackson vs. Josh Allen - perspective from former KC DE Charles Omenihu

[dave mcbride]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/charles-omenihu-league-has-figured-out-lamar-jackson-hasnt-figured-out-josh-allen

[Juice_32]

I always liked that Charles Omenihu.

[Jauronimo]

Every QB has been "figured" out to a point.  Executing the plan is a different story.  

[billieve420]

Lamar stans going to be up in arms over those comments.

[Southern McButterpants]

4 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

Lamar stans going to be up in arms over those comments.

Just what I need, a whole new round of butt-hurt Ravens fans all over social media. 

[Allen2Moulds]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Every QB has been "figured" out to a point.  Executing the plan is a different story.  

If you're a flawed QB, yes.

 

Systems/offenses get figured out, but not necessarily great QBs'.  What defense figured out Brady?

 

Now, if your oline gets overpowered by the dline, it's a different story.  I wouldn't say that the QB got figured out. 

[Coach Tuesday]

He also said if Mahomes and Allen switched jerseys, Allen would have some rings by now.  Does anyone disagree?

[Ray Stonada]

This guy has clearly not studied the NFL player PR handbook (i.e. say nothing in a million different ways). Kinda refreshing.

[Kirby Jackson]

This guy gets it. I like Lamar a lot. He’s a historically great player that’s heading to the HOF. Josh is better and tougher to defend. This is as honest of an analysis of Josh as it gets. The comments are totally fair and spot on.

[Jauronimo]

52 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

If you're a flawed QB, yes.

 

Systems/offenses get figured out, but not necessarily great QBs'.  What defense figured out Brady?

 

Now, if your oline gets overpowered by the dline, it's a different story.  I wouldn't say that the QB got figured out. 

The Giants "figured out" that if you can collapse the pocket with pressure up the middle while sitting on short routes you can make Brady ordinary. Easier said than done.  You can rush 5 on Lamar and still get eaten alive if your pressure doesn't get home or if the rush lanes do not contain him.

 

The Texans seem to have "figured out" Josh Allen.  For 31 other teams, good luck executing that game plan.  

[Allen2Moulds]

20 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

The Giants "figured out" that if you can collapse the pocket with pressure up the middle while sitting on short routes you can make Brady ordinary. Easier said than done.  You can rush 5 on Lamar and still get eaten alive if your pressure doesn't get home or if the rush lanes do not contain him.

 

The Texans seem to have "figured out" Josh Allen.  For 31 other teams, good luck executing that game plan.  

I don't see that as a figuring it out thing, or a Brady/Allen thing.  I see that as a bad match up thing.  The Texans run a very simplistic defense, they just have elite talent, at all 3 levels of their defense. 

 

Houston dline, absolutely manhandled our offensive line.  The same with the Giants against Brady, and the Eagles against Mahomes.  Both the Giants and that Eagles team, was loaded with pass rushers.  Especially the Giants.  They had Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck, Kiwanuka, Robbins.

 

Like in boxing, it has to do more with matchups.  Every team seems to have their kryptonite out there somewhere. 

 

Maybe it's semantics, you call it figuring out, I call it a bad matchup.

 

Figuring out to me, means that other teams can easily replicate it.  I do agree that both with Lamar and Allen, it's easier said than done. 

 

 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

He also said if Mahomes and Allen switched jerseys, Allen would have some rings by now.  Does anyone disagree?

No, that makes sense. The Chiefs have been the better team, and they have one of the best offensive coaches ever in Andy Reid, and a darn good defensive coordinator, too.

 

So, yeah, more star players and better coaches would get Allen similar success to Mahomes for sure.

[Jauronimo]

6 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I don't see that as a figuring it out thing, or a Brady/Allen thing.  I see that as a bad match up thing.  The Texans run a very simplistic defense, they just have elite talent, at all 3 levels of their defense. 

 

Houston dline, absolutely manhandled our offensive line.  The same with the Giants against Brady, and the Eagles against Mahomes.  Both the Giants and that Eagles team, was loaded with pass rushers.  Especially the Giants.  They had Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck, Kiwanuka, Robbins.

 

Like in boxing, it has to do more with matchups.  Every team seems to have their kryptonite out there somewhere. 

 

Maybe it's semantics, you call it figuring out, I call it a bad matchup.

 

Figuring out to me, means that other teams can easily replicate it.  I do agree that both with Lamar and Allen, it's easier said than done. 

 

 

I'm looking at Lamar's stats the past few years and his MVP awards it doesn't appear that the blueprint is that easily replicated.

[Walking Tall]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Every QB has been "figured" out to a point.  Executing the plan is a different story.  

Has Allen really been “figured out”? Yeah, if you have an amazing front 4 that will certainly help. But that is rare and if you do have that, that will stop any QB in the NFL.

[Jauronimo]

Just now, Walking Tall said:

Has Allen really been “figured out”? Yeah, if you have an amazing front 4 that will certainly help. But that is rare and if you do have that, that will stop any QB in the NFL.

Thats my point.  Has Lamar really been figured out?  Its wonderful that there is a blueprint out there but he still seems to be amassing impressive stats.

[Captain Murica]

I feel the only time Lamar has been figured out when it comes to the playoffs which matters the most. 

[folz]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

The Texans seem to have "figured out" Josh Allen.  For 31 other teams, good luck executing that game plan.  

 

I don't think the Texans figured Josh out...let's remember what was happening that game.

 

It was a game on the road, against the best defense in the league, on a short week.

 

Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel, and Hardman were all OUT for the game.

Oliver, Hoecht, Rapp, Hamlin, and Jackson were all already on IR

 

Williams, Thompson, Benford, Bernard, Bosa, T. Johnson, C. McGovern, Josh Palmer, and Jordan Phillips were all playing through injuries that kept them out of practice for most of the short week.

 

During the game, we lost Bernard and Palmer to injury early. Dawkins suffered a concussion during the game, but continued to play (he looked lost out there after the concussion), Spencer Brown suffered a pretty severe shoulder injury during the game, but played through it (he was in a sling after the game), and McGovern was playing on a bum ankle.

 

So, 3/5s of the offensive line were in bad shape, and Josh was missing 5 of his pass catchers (including his top two targets). And the defense was pretty banged up as well.

 

Oh, and Josh suffered a shoulder injury during the game as well, plus his bum foot.

 

And yet with all of that, we only lost by 4 points. And actually had a chance to win the game at the end. The Bills drove 60 yards to the Houston 17-yard line, down 4 points, with :28 seconds left (but Josh threw an INT on 4th down).

Edited April 10 by folz

[Jauronimo]

9 minutes ago, folz said:

 

I don't think the Texans figured Josh out...let's remember what was happening that game.

 

It was a game on the road, against the best defense in the league, on a short week.

 

Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel, and Hardman were all OUT for the game.

Oliver, Hoecht, Rapp, Hamlin, and Jackson were all already on IR

 

Williams, Thompson, Benford, Bernard, Bosa, T. Johnson, C. McGovern, Josh Palmer, and Jordan Phillips were all playing through injuries that kept them out of practice for most of the short week.

 

During the game, we lost Bernard and Palmer to injury early. Dawkins suffered a concussion during the game, but continued to play (he looked lost out there after the concussion), Spencer Brown suffered a pretty severe shoulder injury during the game, but played through it (he was in a sling after the game), and McGovern was playing on a bum ankle.

 

So, 3/5s of the offensive line were in bad shape, and Josh was missing 5 of his pass catchers (including his top two targets). And the defense was pretty banged up as well.

 

Oh, and Josh suffered a shoulder injury during the game as well, plus his bum foot.

 

And yet with all of that, we only lost by 4 points. And actually had a chance to win the game at the end. The Bills drove 60 yards to the Houston 17-yard line, down 4 points, with :28 seconds left (but Josh threw an INT on 4th down).

I'm not talking about one game.  This year's match was a mirror image of the 2024 game. He looked like a rookie in both games. 

 

In fact, Allen has never won in Houston.  

[folz]

3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I'm not talking about one game.  This year's match was a mirror image of the 2024 game. He looked like a rookie in both games. 

 

In fact, Allen has never won in Houston.  

 

Bills/Texans matchups in Josh Allen era (just for reference):

 

2018 @Houston: Texans win 20-13. But, it was Josh's rookie year and the team around him was possibly one of the worst (talent-wise) in the league that year.

2019 @Houston: Wild Card playoff game. Texans won 22-19 in overtime. (Bills blew a 16-point lead and the Texans got some help from the refs too). Josh had 356 yards and 1 TD (1 fumble).

2020 @Buffalo: Bills beat the Texans 40-0. Josh had 289 yards and 2 TDs (no turnovers)

2024 @Houston: Texans win 23-20. Josh had 185 yards and 1 TD (no turnovers). Texans won with a last-second field goal (7 seconds left).

2025 @Houston: Texans win 23-19. Josh had 273 yards, no TDs (2 INTs, one being a desperation throw on 4th down at the end of the game trying to win it)

 

Josh didn't have his best games in some of the matchups, no question. But in the Texans' three wins since Josh's rookie year, they won by a combined 10 points (across 3 games) and needed overtime for one, a last second FG for another, and a red zone INT with 28 seconds left to win the third (all at home). Obviously the Texans have had a very good defense the last couple of years and have probably limited Buffalo more than anyone else has, but again I don't know if I would qualify 3-point last-second wins as figuring Josh out really. Especially with the circumstances (injuries, Josh's age, team talent) of some of those contests. Plus there is the anomaly of the 40 to 0 Bills win in between (granted that was a long time before the 2024 and 2025 games/teams).

 

So, I'll give you the 2024 game. Josh did not play well. But again, the 2025 game, I put more on injuries/short week, etc. than I do the Texans having figured Josh out. But that's just my opinion. We do play the Texans again this year, so I guess we'll just have to see how that plays out.

 

[Don Otreply]

On 4/10/2026 at 11:55 AM, Southern McButterpants said:

Just what I need, a whole new round of butt-hurt Ravens fans all over social media. 

I live in Baltimore…, 

I was talking with some Ravens fans a couple of days before last season’s opener, I was informed that we would lose in no uncertain terms…, next time I was told that they HATED losing to the Bills…, lol