TSW 1.0 Poll - Who should the Bills select at #26

[HappyDays]

24 minutes ago, HaldimandBills said:

He adds a skill set the Bills most certainly do not have. He's a man beater.

 

We'll see if that's the case in the NFL. I understand he has a high floor as a Shakir type who you can funnel manufactured targets too. I'm less convinced he has the special twitchiness he'll need to make up for his size concerns against pro CBs. I am usually full bore for any top WR prospect, I am just having trouble seeing it with him. I have a bad feeling that he's the type of prospect where all the numbers and analytics tell you he's a guaranteed hit, and then he faces real NFL physicality and it turns out the traits didn't translate.

[MrEpsYtown]

I voted Parker because he feels like BPA to me here. I like the fit and potential to be a really good pro. 
 

Good numbers, has the requisite length. Doesn’t have that burst that Howell has, but I think Parker is a better player overall and has some Bradley Chubb in him, so I think he’d be a good understudy who can be versatile across the front. There is some unrefined clay here, but he stops the run and gets to the QB. 
 

 

Outside of Parker I’m probably taking one of those WRs. 

Edited Sunday at 05:50 PM by MrEpsYtown

[HaldimandBills]

Just now, LEBills said:

KC is good at beating man coverage, much different from Shakir in that way. His stats vs press are more middle of the pack for this class and surrounded by guys who will do most of their work from the slot/Z at the NFL level. 
 

He is WR7 on my list of WRs for this year particularly because he is not quite ready to win downfield with consistency. He certainly showed a ton of improvement this year going to TAMU and playing on the outside and showing god route running. But his catch technique is still pretty poor and led to a lot of bad drops. He also isn’t too physical at the catch point which you need to a degree on deeper routes. He needs to improve significantly there, because if he doesn’t show he can catch downfield with consistency, he is going to be running routes closer to the LOS which will limit things.

 

he is still improving though, so he may be able to clean that up and then watch out.

Id like to add that im aware ive come off as KC or bust in this thread. I am not. I just want a loaded offense all around for the last few years of Allen's scrambling prime. We have never had a full offensive unit that scares opposing defenses everywhere. I feel KC along with Moore gives the Bills that type of offense.

 

From what I've listened to about him you are describing a lot of what others concerns are as it relates to him. The reason I want him is he is exactly what the Bills need outside. Bills need man beaters outside.

 

If defense id be happy with CJ Allen, Emmanuel Mcneil-Warren, Anthony Hill Jr, or TJ Parker. 

 

 

 

 

[gonzo1105]

I’ve already deleted Concepcion from my # 33 selection list if that is any indicator of my belief of how this is going to end already 

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, LEBills said:

He also isn’t too physical at the catch point which you need to a degree on deeper routes. He needs to improve significantly there, because if he doesn’t show he can catch downfield with consistency, he is going to be running routes closer to the LOS which will limit things.

 

Yes I'm seeing too many Bills media types alluding to Concepcion as a "vertical WR." I don't think that's right at all. His top end speed is fine, not great, and physicality at the catch point is well below average. I'm not even sure I see his upside as a vertical WR. I think if you are looking at upside for KC Concepcion you are hoping he becomes Stefon Diggs as a route runner and Khalil Shakir with the ball in his hands. That kind of ceiling feels attainable at least. I just have too many concerns about his size and physicality over the middle to feel great about the odds.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Give me KC Concepcion all day. The Bills need to invest in a cost controlled receiver and he'd fit great as a punt returner (18 yds/ ret and 2 TDs). 

[Alphadawg7]

40 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

So for those ppl who were all “can’t draft McConkey” two years ago because of the slot projection - I don’t see ppl saying that now. 

 

I was on this board that offseason telling everyone McConkey was WR5 in that draft behind the big 3 and BTJ.  Most people on this board argued it was Legette, Worthy, Franklin, Adonai, etc.  There was not much a "Draft McConkey" in the first crowd.  

 

And despite being one of his loudest supporters, I was also on record repeated saying he was not an option for the Bills, he did not fit what we needed, and still wouldn't have.  Even with the Chargers, they are doing things to keep him in the slot, where his natural position is and should remain rest of his career.  We had plenty of slot help, we needed outside WR in the worst way.  

 

If someone wants to relive the draft, who we take would not even be a WR.  Keon has the best stats of any outside WR drafted where we picked, the post drafts facts are, there wasn't much to choose from.  
 

 

Edited Sunday at 06:04 PM by Alphadawg7

[boyst]

44 minutes ago, Brand J said:

I want the best possible front 7 player left on the board. Don't care if he’s a DE, DT, or a LB.  If there’s no one of value there, I’m 100% for a trade down to accumulate more picks.

I was there until I kept reading and was influenced by the KC Concepion crowd. Otherwise give me your desire here, and by the day I down value the LB from Georgia - and rise in the value of Cahius Howell and the Toledo Safety McNeil Warren. 

 

If it was the second round we could trade back to id grade Toledo's safety as our new defensive anchor to pair with Bishop a long while.

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

I was there until I kept reading and was influenced by the KC Concepion crowd. Otherwise give me your desire here, and by the day I down value the LB from Georgia - and rise in the value of Cahius Howell and the Toledo Safety McNeil Warren. 

 

If it was the second round we could trade back to id grade Toledo's safety as our new defensive anchor to pair with Bishop a long while.

I think it’s going to be a defensive player or trade back personally.

[boyst]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I was on this board that offseason telling everyone McConkey was WR5 in that draft behind the big 3 and BTJ.  Most people on this board argued it was Legette, Worthy, Franklin, Adonai, etc.  There was not much a "Draft McConkey" in the first crowd.  

 

And despite being one of his loudest supporters, I was also on record repeated saying he was not an option for the Bills, he did not fit what we needed, and still wouldn't have.  Even with the Chargers, they are doing things to keep him in the slot, where is natural position is and should remain rest of his career.  We had plenty of slot help, we needed outside WR in the worst way.  

 

If you want to relive the draft, who we take would not even be a WR.  Keon has the best stats of any outside WR drafted where we picked, the post drafts facts are, there wasn't much to choose from.  

I just didn't see it with Leggette as well, not Mitchell either. Mitchell would have been ok for us because our scheme and his size. But he seemed lazy once he hit the league. 

 

BTJ and Franklin would have been fine choices for us but no different on this team than McConky I believe. 

 

To me the pick of Concepion is just the easy lazy pick and I'm ok with that. Id rather go another direction but peer pressure is tough. 

[Big Blitz]

I voted Parker but fine with KC

[HappyDays]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

I think it’s going to be a defensive player or trade back personally.

 

The reason I think it will be LB is that Beane is very predictable. 2023 and 2025 we went into the draft with a glaring hole at CB, Beane selected Elam and Hairston. 2024 we went into the draft with a glaring hole at WR, Beane selected Coleman. This year we will be going into the draft with a glaring hole at LB... The pattern is too established to ignore. Just because McDermott is gone doesn't mean Beane is a totally new man. If he breaks tendency this year I'll tip my cap and adjust my expectations for future years, until then I believe people when they tell me who they are.

[MJS]

32 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

They are literal clones. I am not sure what measurable you mean. 
 

In regards to how Moore changes the team, I think you’re right on. But idk that KC is going to bully press NFL corners like you suggest. Hes dangerous after the catch which is why I likened him to Shakir. 

Except they aren't. They play different positions and are completely different in their play styles. KC is bigger and more explosive.

[Victory Formation]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I’d be happy with Concepcion, but give me cooper.  
 

if we took Allen, I wouldn’t be upset.  Wouldn’t be happy with the rest

I’d be happy with Cooper but give me Concepcion! 🤪

[LEBills]

1 minute ago, HaldimandBills said:

Id like to add that im aware ive come off as KC or bust in this thread. I am not. I just want a loaded offense all around for the last few years of Allen's scrambling prime. We have never had a full offensive unit that scares opposing defenses everywhere. I feel KC along with Moore gives the Bills that type of offense.

 

From what I've listened to about him you are describing a lot of what others concerns are as it relates to him. The reason I want him is he is exactly what the Bills need outside. Bills need man beaters outside.

 

If defense id be happy with CJ Allen, Emmanuel Mcneil-Warren, Anthony Hill Jr, or TJ Parker. 

 

 

 

 

yea I personally agree with you, I think the first two picks this year ideally would be a WR and OL to complete the offense. I agree that we are that close to maybe having an all time offense. So I would be ok with KC at 26 to add that playmaking for Josh.

 

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yes I'm seeing too many Bills media types alluding to Concepcion as a "vertical WR." I don't think that's right at all. His top end speed is fine, not great, and physicality at the catch point is well below average. I'm not even sure I see his upside as a vertical WR. I think if you are looking at upside for KC Concepcion you are hoping he becomes Stefon Diggs as a route runner and Khalil Shakir with the ball in his hands. That kind of ceiling feels attainable at least. I just have too many concerns about his size and physicality over the middle to feel great about the odds.

Yea he isn’t really a vertical threat. He only caught 17 of 48 targets (35.4%) on throws of 20 or more yards in his career. He can create pretty quick separation, but the longer a route is the more time defenders have to close that separation. I still think he would help the Bills offense as a slot/Z receiver, punt returner and touchdown maker but think he has been overstated by some of the popular Bills talking heads.

[Virgil]

The good news to me is that we can’t draft KC again in the next two mocks 

[3rdand12]

I hate to get locked in on a position. But I picked CJ Allen for that reason. There might be better choices at LB and I am fine with that. Just feels like a need to me.

If going wide receiver ? I want a starter who can beat man press etc Day One.

 Got a bad feeling about KC , so Cooper is my default.

Trading to add picks might be the best investment this year

 And looking for next years Draft hard into indulge in WRs 😋

 Thanks Virgil.

 Fun stuff !!

[qwksilver]

I went S but LB is a huge need. If it breaks this way I Pray for a trade down IRL.

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I’d be happy with Concepcion, but give me cooper.  
 

if we took Allen, I wouldn’t be upset.  Wouldn’t be happy with the rest

1 Cooper

2. McNeil-Warren 

 

But if you took those 2 out, a direction that's really starting to warm up to me is OT Kadyn Proctor.

 

Dudes a bonafide LT prospect, somebody that could unseat Dion in '27 and free up a boatload of $$. Athletic profile and size are unreal. Kid needs some work, and he can get some reps and a chance to adjust playing at LG this year, a role i could see him turning in a pro bowl effort year 1.

 

Major injection of youth talent and cost control for the future! Id rather start working on a LT replacement a year too early than a year too late. This gets him in our system and familiar with playbook/coaches.

 

I dont expect this to be a popular one here, because its a very forward thinking move... still with some upside for '26.

 

I just don't see us being legitimate contenders this year. Too much change on the defense needed, Leonhard had 2 years of work to do year 1 IMO. We can't possibly figure out those holes with Leonhard not seeing any of these guys play in his system. A year from now things will be a lot more clear on what he needs, and who we can move on from.

 

This pick helps us day 1, while potentially freeing up $16M next season after accounting for $8m dead cap.... wed move on from a guy who's over the hill, and restart with a 22yr old prospect, who is twice the prospect that Dion was coming out. If hes in the same stratosphere as Dions been last few years,it's a home run pick.

[RyanC883]

KC.  6 feet tall.  Separation skills.  There are DT, LBs and OL later in the draft.  KC can be a number 1.  Need that guy on a rookie deal.  

54 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I voted Parker because he feels like BPA to me here. I like the fit and potential to be a really good pro. 
 

Good numbers, has the requisite length. Doesn’t have that burst that Howell has, but I think Parker is a better player overall and has some Bradley Chubb in him, so I think he’d be a good understudy who can be versatile across the front. There is some unrefined clay here, but he stops the run and gets to the QB. 
 

 

Outside of Parker I’m probably taking one of those WRs. 

I went KC, but Parker and Omar Cooper were close.