TSW 1.0 Poll - Who should the Bills select at #26

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I voted Anthony Hill. I know he has no chance of winning this poll. I try to be predictive when I make these picks rather than selecting my own preference. I personally would take a WR, to me Cooper is a no brainer here, but I still don't fully buy that Beane will spend two high picks on a WR in the same offseason. So looking at the other names I considered McNeil-Warren but Beane takes needs in the 1st round and after signing CJGJ I don't think he is looking at safety as a need.

 

That leaves the LBs, Allen or Hill. For the longest time I've been looking at Allen as the odds-on favorite to be our pick. But in the last few days I have begun to suspect Hill is the type of LB Beane would covet in the 1st round. He's young having just turned 21 years old in February (cue up the Tremaine Edmunds jokes), he's a ridiculous athlete with a 9.81 RAS score and elite speed/explosion traits, and I think he fits Leonhard's scheme as a downhill thumper type with high end blitz traits. It's a similar scouting profile to CJ Allen just in the body of a better athlete. It's not a player that has been talked about much as a Bills 1st round target but I just have a weird feeling about him.

Definitely a better choice than Allen…

[tomur67]

I think a guy named Allen is good for the Bills.

[LEBills]

KC is going to run away with this. Marino and Trapasso have been all about him in their podcasts and on WGR. EJ from Bootleg Football podcast said he has heard multiple teams on the back end of round one have said that if he is there, they will pick him. Teams think he is a great person in addition to being a good football player. His cohost Brett Kohlman mentioned KC feeling like a Bills fit. He would be one of a few players here I would be happy with. 
 

12 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I was afraid WR was going to run away with this.   I just can’t support spending out first two picks on a WR, especially when it’s going to be your number two guy.  For Concepcion’s value, who didn’t even break 1k yards last season, I just don’t see the first round value.  There’s plenty of guys in rounds 3 and 4 who have just as good a chance to produce.  
 

Allen is my choice, but I would have supported DT or S if there were strong options available too. 
 

I want a difference maker on defense.  Someone that can lay a hit and set the tone.  And I’m done with Edge in the first round.  We are paying Groot, Hoect, and Chubb. That’s the bed we’ve made.  To add a 4th with a first round pick gives me too much McD PTSD. 

Eh it’s just making up for all the years we didn’t draft a receiver early

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I voted Anthony Hill. I know he has no chance of winning this poll. I try to be predictive when I make these picks rather than selecting my own preference. I personally would take a WR, to me Cooper is a no brainer here, but I still don't fully buy that Beane will spend two high picks on a WR in the same offseason. So looking at the other names I considered McNeil-Warren but Beane takes needs in the 1st round and after signing CJGJ I don't think he is looking at safety as a need.

 

That leaves the LBs, Allen or Hill. For the longest time I've been looking at Allen as the odds-on favorite to be our pick. But in the last few days I have begun to suspect Hill is the type of LB Beane would covet in the 1st round. He's young having just turned 21 years old in February (cue up the Tremaine Edmunds jokes), he's a ridiculous athlete with a 9.81 RAS score and elite speed/explosion traits, and I think he fits Leonhard's scheme as a downhill thumper type with high end blitz traits. It's a similar scouting profile to CJ Allen just in the body of a better athlete. It's not a player that has been talked about much as a Bills 1st round target but I just have a weird feeling about him.

👍🏻 that’s the guy I think Beane will take if Kayden McDonald is off the board.  Hopefully it’ll be after a trade back or multiple. 

[HaldimandBills]

6 minutes ago, Virgil said:

5’11” and used in the slot or gadget.  Is capable of playing the outside, but is more of a YAC player.  
 

Isn’t this basically Shakir?   
 

Sorry, but I just don’t get it 

KC Concepcion is 6 foot and 195 pounds. His wing span is 6 inches longer than Shakir and his arms are 2 inches longer. Concepcion played predominantly outside at Texas A&M and his specialty is beating press much like Diggs. He's nothing like Shakir. He's a twitched up athlete that can win at all three levels. 

 

Most pundits have no idea why he isn't a top three receiver in this draft outside of his drops and not the best against zone. He adds a skill set the Bills most certainly do not have. He's a man beater. Plain and Simple. He literally would force opposing defenses to overhaul how they play the Bills. Bills faced more man than any other team last year due to our X and Z receivers being awful at separation. Not any more.

[BigAl2526]

I know that when you do a poll like this, it is difficult if not impossible, to be sure you have every reasonable name.  That said, I have seen a couple mocks that project Christen Miller, DT from Georgia, to the Bills.  With no trades allowed, there is no single player that would make me completely happy.  I went with CJ Allen, a fairly safe player to come in and bolster an inside linebacker spot.

[HaldimandBills]

5 minutes ago, LEBills said:

KC is going to run away with this. Marino and Trapasso have been all about him in their podcasts and on WGR. EJ from Bootleg Football podcast said he has heard multiple teams on the back end of round one have said that if he is there, they will pick him. Teams think he is a great person in addition to being a good football player. His cohost Brett Kohlman mentioned KC feeling like a Bills fit. He would be one of a few players here I would be happy with. 
 

Eh it’s just making up for all the years we didn’t draft a receiver early

The Athletic Podcast and Ringer Podcast pushed me to KC Concepcion. Particularly his fit with the Bills. 

[HappyDays]

Just now, NewEra said:

👍🏻 that’s the guy I think Beane will take if Kayden McDonald is off the board.  Hopefully it’ll be after a trade back or multiple. 

 

Yeah trading back is still my preference if we don't take a WR and Hill is probably someone we could get at the top of round 2. We've had a few mid-2nd round prospects in for top 30 visits which tells me Beane is seriously considering trading back, perhaps multiple times. We know he likes to get back picks that he gave up in trades so getting a 2nd rounder back will be a priority for him I think, unless some player is really sticking out on the board at #26.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

The WR desperation is leading people to oversell the value of the guys we’re looking at here for 26. 
 

I just cannot stomach picking a guy at this point who might not come in and immediately contribute. Conception seems to be a very similar type of player to Shakir, and he won’t be a boundary guy. So for those ppl who were all “can’t draft McConkey” two years ago because of the slot projection - I don’t see ppl saying that now. 
 

This brings you to the boundary guys, and I don’t think either of them immediately upgrades what you have in Palmer or Coleman. Are they likely to grow and improve? Yes. Could they be better? Sure. How much better and how long does it take them to get up to speed? We want to win a Super Bowl this year so I am fine with diving into a player who can come in and immediately contribute. That player has to be defense. I’ll live with CJ Allen or TJ Parker. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah trading back is still my preference if we don't take a WR and Hill is probably someone we could get at the top of round 2. We've had a few mid-2nd round prospects in for top 30 visits which tells me Beane is seriously considering trading back, perhaps multiple times. We know he likes to get back picks that he gave up in trades so getting a 2nd rounder back will be a priority for him I think, unless some player is really sticking out on the board at #26.

 

Hill in a trade back I can see. Hill at #26 no chance IMO.

[Alphadawg7]

I dont get the KC obsession for us - he’s a slot WR, one of our best offensive players plays from the slot, and the WR we took last (Keon) would benefit from more snaps in the slot.

 

If we did go WR, not sure why we aren’t looking at guys who are projected to be more full time outside WRs.  I mean his forty was about the same as Shakir and their natural positions are the same.

 

I still think we are gonna end up trading back personally

Edited Sunday at 05:25 PM by Alphadawg7

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

So for those ppl who were all “can’t draft McConkey” two years ago because of the slot projection - I don’t see ppl saying that now. 
 

 

I still say that now. For the Bills? Yea. No way they could draft him round 1. Nor should they have.

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

I dont get the KC obsession for us - he’s a slot WR, one of our best offensive players plays from the slot, and the WR we took last (Keon) would benefit from more snaps in the slot.

 

If we did go WR, not sure why we aren’t looking at guys who are projected to be more full time outside WRs.  I mean his forty was about the same as Shakir and their natural positions are the same.

 

KC isn't a slot. He is a Z receiver. But I agree the Bills are more likely looking for an X.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I still say that now. For the Bills? Yea. No way they could draft him round 1. Nor should they have.

 

KC isn't a slot. He is a Z receiver. But I agree the Bills are more likely looking for an X.

So best case his ceiling is Zay Jones? Would you agree? Could you live with that? I suppose I could. What would liken his floor to? 
 

I still don’t see how another “move” receiver helps them win a championship year 1. If they take guy I want it to be a boundary player who can take 70% of snaps 

[Urban Achievers]

I’m good with KC or Cooper in first. If gone BPA on defense, preferably DL or LB. Maybe trade back into second and pickup an extra third. 

[HaldimandBills]

6 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

The WR desperation is leading people to oversell the value of the guys we’re looking at here for 26. 
 

I just cannot stomach picking a guy at this point who might not come in and immediately contribute. Conception seems to be a very similar type of player to Shakir, and he won’t be a boundary guy. So for those ppl who were all “can’t draft McConkey” two years ago because of the slot projection - I don’t see ppl saying that now. 
 

This brings you to the boundary guys, and I don’t think either of them immediately upgrades what you have in Palmer or Coleman. Are they likely to grow and improve? Yes. Could they be better? Sure. How much better and how long does it take them to get up to speed? We want to win a Super Bowl this year so I am fine with diving into a player who can come in and immediately contribute. That player has to be defense. I’ll live with CJ Allen or TJ Parker. 

Everyone ive listened to says hes an outside guy who will also go inside. Whose saying hes inside only? Again he's nothing like Shakir. Much better measurables. Hus best skill is beating press. Shakir cannot beat press thats why hes a slot. People are looking at the prospect in a vacuum and not focusing on how adding him and Moore completely overhauls how opposing defenses play us.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

Hill in a trade back I can see. Hill at #26 no chance IMO.

 

Yeah that's fair. If the exercise in this scenario is - who is sticking out on the board that Beane feels the need to pick now rather than risk losing in a trade back? - Concepcion or Cooper probably make the most sense. Allen's lingering knee issue make me skeptical that we will target him, just hasn't been Beane's MO. Then again Concepcion has his own knee concern. The fact we brought him in for a top 30 tells you they are at least seriously considering him and have done their due diligence.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, EmotionallyUnstable said:

So best case his ceiling is Zay Jones? Would you agree? Could you live with that? I suppose I could. What would liken his floor to? 
 

I still don’t see how another “move” receiver helps them win a championship year 1. If they take guy I want it to be a boundary player who can take 70% of snaps 

 

No his ceiling is much higher than Zay. To me his ceiling is much more a Deebo Samuel (whose career in the league is wayyyyy overrated. I mean his actual ceiling not his presumed one).

[LEBills]

19 minutes ago, HaldimandBills said:

KC Concepcion is 6 foot and 195 pounds. His wing span is 6 inches longer than Shakir and his arms are 2 inches longer. Concepcion played predominantly outside at Texas A&M and his specialty is beating press much like Diggs. He's nothing like Shakir. He's a twitched up athlete that can win at all three levels. 

 

Most pundits have no idea why he isn't a top three receiver in this draft outside of his drops and not the best against zone. He adds a skill set the Bills most certainly do not have. He's a man beater. Plain and Simple. He literally would force opposing defenses to overhaul how they play the Bills. Bills faced more man than any other team last year due to our X and Z receivers being awful at separation. Not any more.

KC is good at beating man coverage, much different from Shakir in that way. His stats vs press are more middle of the pack for this class and surrounded by guys who will do most of their work from the slot/Z at the NFL level. 
 

He is WR7 on my list of WRs for this year particularly because he is not quite ready to win downfield with consistency. He certainly showed a ton of improvement this year going to TAMU and playing on the outside and showing good route running. But his catch technique is still pretty poor and led to a lot of bad drops. He also isn’t too physical at the catch point which you need to a degree on deeper routes. He needs to improve significantly there, because if he doesn’t show he can catch downfield with consistency, he is going to be running routes closer to the LOS which will limit things.

 

he is still improving though, so he may be able to clean that up and then watch out.

Edited Sunday at 05:38 PM by LEBills

[EmotionallyUnstable]

2 minutes ago, HaldimandBills said:

Again he's nothing like Shakir. Much better measurables

They are literal clones. I am not sure what measurable you mean. 
 

In regards to how Moore changes the team, I think you’re right on. But idk that KC is going to bully press NFL corners like you suggest. Hes dangerous after the catch which is why I likened him to Shakir. 

[boyst]

KC Conception is the guy everyone keeps mentioning. Peer pressure is why I'd take him over an LB.