RIP to PFF

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

It’s why we were always bombarded with it every single SNF game

It was part of the package deal for him being in the booth. Hopefully this leads to his ouster from that job. 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

So Collinsworth retained the media arm of PPF, meaning he now only employs the blog/article network and personalities. And he has to "license the foundational data metrics from Teamworks" meaning he needs to buy the data like everyone else.

 

Now he's gotta lay off a bunch of those employees of his because without the data, he has nothing to sell to support the content side. He's just like every other network of sport experts, which isn't a super profitable business in general

[billsfan89]

PFF as a provider of insights and data was always a viable business model. Think of the Elias Sports Bureau type of model selling data and information to various businesses. But PFF as a source of punditry and selling data to fans for gambling and fantasy football purposes was likely a hit and miss proposition. And that's the part of PFF (the public facing part) is being completely gutted and the B2B side is being retained. So the NFL and NCAA will still be using the data. 

 

PFF is basically paying 2-4 people to watch each NFL and most College games and grade each player on those games. NFL teams can't really pay enough people to watch those games esp on the college side of things. 

 

So teams pay for PFF data and metrics because it gives them a baseline to measure their scouting and data against. I think teams often do express skepticism over PFF's data but they still take it in as a data point because in some ranks it is better than not having a second opinion. Teams will pay for that but average fans won't pay for some data that doesn't really provide much value to anyone outside of a very niche audience. 

 

I do feel bad for the people losing their jobs because the people there were/are clearly passionate about football.

[Virgil]

Collinturd owned it?!  Now it all makes sense 

[SinceThe70s]

4 hours ago, daz28 said:

It sounds like a good thing.  The world needs more of just the data/facts, and less of what someone's opinion of what it means.  

 

You want data and facts without analysis?  Analysis and opinion of data and facts go hand in hand imo,. Without both I'm not sure what value there is in data or facts.  

[NoSaint]

There’s no single metric that is even in the same zip code as “always right”

 

when paired with a bit of common sense, and patience- I don’t think pff was horrific as a fast and loose bar napkin directional 

 

if you’ve never keyed in on the LG of the cardinals, I think there’s something to be said for 4th rated run blocker and 77th pass blocker over the last 3 seasons as an introduction. 
 

I wouldn’t argue over meaning in small sample sizes, or worry about 12th vs 18th being super informative rankings between two players but more often than not it’s at least a good-average-bad tier introduction if you’ve never keyed on a guy and are willing to take it as simply a data point and not the bible 

Edited Monday at 04:06 PM by NoSaint

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, zevo said:

 I had no idea he owned PFF. 

Yep

 

Smug because he thinks he knows better than everybody 

 

Yet players have said you can pay PFF for higher grades showing it's also bs lol

[Dan]

This is the American way… start a company, make it successful, sell it.  Makes lots of money, screw over all your employees.   It’s t happens every day.  PFF will go on in some form.. Collinsworth makes millions.  People that worked to build it.. ehhh who cares.  
 

been there done that 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

14 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I’ve come to realize I can’t stand Collinsworth’s smirk

 

[H2o]

Never was a big fan of PFF. I liked the Big Board for the draft and all that as something just to refer to for player stats, but I didn't necessarily believe in their ratings or rankings. I remember seeing them early on doing a post-draft YouTube video where they were talking about the PFF draft guide was "in circulation" with all of the NFL GM's and that you could tell which GM's were making their picks based off of their draft guide. I laughed out loud and from that point on knew those guys were full of crap. Sucks for them, but it's the way of the world. They should be able to latch on with any NFL team's scouting department, if you would believe their own opinions of themselves. 

Edited April 3 by H2o

[Gugny]

The 14-year-old girls LOVED the PFF!!!

[MJS]

PFF was good for their data, but their player grades were flawed at best. Good riddance.

[machine gun kelly]

PFF was a data point.  That’s all.  As far as Collinsworth, that’s what owners do.  They sell a concept, build it up, sell it, profit, and screw the employees.  This isn’t new.  In my industry, this happens all the time.  It sucks, but the days of my dad working for the Buffalo News for 44 years doesn't happen much anymore. 

[JP51]

Ima be ok

[BarleyNY]

6 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

 

We were willed a bunch of football cards and other sports memorabilia from my MIL when she passed away. Her husband collected and had already passed so it went to us. I found a Chris Collinsworth card in there. I dearly would love to have him autograph it before I throw it away. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

22 hours ago, Augie said:

 

You just come here daily, we will be glad to tell you everything right and everything wrong about players, with the certainty of the sun rising and the accuracy landing somewhere between the weather man and a Magic 8 

 

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Wait, we can say good things?

[dorquemada]

is there any way we can parley this into getting collinsworth off the games forever 

I wonder if when he was firing everyone if he brought up how great patrick mahomes is compared to them

[Augie]

On 4/3/2026 at 3:12 PM, buffaloboyinATL said:

Wait, we can say good things?

 

I enjoy when people do that, because watching everyone else shout them down is kind of a hobby of mine!     

 

 

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Edited April 4 by Augie

[The Wiz]

What ever will I do without the analytics of "turnover worthy plays" that ended in TDS?

[Scott7975]

23 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

PFF as a provider of insights and data was always a viable business model. Think of the Elias Sports Bureau type of model selling data and information to various businesses. But PFF as a source of punditry and selling data to fans for gambling and fantasy football purposes was likely a hit and miss proposition. And that's the part of PFF (the public facing part) is being completely gutted and the B2B side is being retained. So the NFL and NCAA will still be using the data. 

 

PFF is basically paying 2-4 people to watch each NFL and most College games and grade each player on those games. NFL teams can't really pay enough people to watch those games esp on the college side of things. 

 

So teams pay for PFF data and metrics because it gives them a baseline to measure their scouting and data against. I think teams often do express skepticism over PFF's data but they still take it in as a data point because in some ranks it is better than not having a second opinion. Teams will pay for that but average fans won't pay for some data that doesn't really provide much value to anyone outside of a very niche audience. 

 

I do feel bad for the people losing their jobs because the people there were/are clearly passionate about football.

that isn’t what they are paying for. I point this out in almost every PFF thread and have posted the screenshots of the stuff they are actually paying for. They don’t give a rats ass about player grades. It’s everything else they get with it.