Myles Garrett?

[Franchiseneedsme]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

As good as he was last year, he is now on the wrong side of 30. That's a lot to give up for probably two years of elite play.

Would this be worth it if we win a championship?

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't see that anyone has begun a discussion here on this subject, and I'm curious about the possibility, so here goes. 

 

Buffalo Rumblings ran an article yesterday by Matt Warren saying that the Browns have restructured Garrett's contract in a way that dramatically reduces his cap hit for the next year or two. The cap saving doesn't really help the Browns in their latest effort to resurrect the team, and it seems that the principal benefit of the restructure is to make a trade for Garrett much more likely.  A trade might net the Browns three first-round picks (Ravens were willing to give two for Maxx, who was bringing a big cap hit with him), and apparently the Browns have asked the NFL to raise the current league limit on such trades from three years of picks to five! 

 

Point being that it seems the Bills could find the cap room to acquire Garrett, if they were willing to trade maybe three first round picks, or maybe two picks plus Rousseau, or something along those lines. 

 

I don't like mortgaging the future, but Myles Garrett is an extraordinary talent. He could be Josh Allen's Chris Jones. 

 

Any buyers at The Stadium Wall?

 

Garrett will be 31 this year in December, who in their right mind is trading 3 1st rd picks for a DE? This is the age where the toll of the position and play style catch up with you. Not worth the risk at 31. 

[RyanC883]

Do it.  

[Captain Hindsight]

3 hours ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said:

For 3 firsts? No chance from me. Way too much. You're hurting the long term outlook of the club.

 

On top of that, the deal looks backloaded like crazy with a huge amount of cash. So when the deal gets to those years, you don't have 1 first round picks for several years in a row for cheap high end talent.

I get what you are trying to say here, but its not like our first round picks have had the type of impact someone like Garrett could provide.

 

Hairston, Kincaid, Elam were the last 3. Coleman was 33rd overall. Are we missing out on that much giving up 3 25-32 picks? I don't think so

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

The objection to the high price to acquire Myles Garrett is reminiscent of the naysayers who had the same short-sighted opinions when we made the trade for Bennett in ‘87. Two firsts and a second was way too high a price and would set us back they said. Well,  Myles Garrett is better than Biscuit ever was and that’s saying something. I make this deal every day of the week and twice on Sundays. 

I still remember one of the WGR guys getting pissed when a caller called in before the 2018 draft and said we had too many needs to trade up for a QB

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I get what you are trying to say here, but its not like our first round picks have had the type of impact someone like Garrett could provide.

 

Hairston, Kincaid, Elam were the last 3. Coleman was 33rd overall. Are we missing out on that much giving up 3 25-32 picks? I don't think so

I’d give up more. I don’t know where the line would be for Garrett. I’m not concerned about anything after Josh Allen at this point. Give me a 5 year window where Im the Super Bowl Favorite and you’ll get a couple (at least). With Garrett you’d have the the best player on offense and the best player on defense. They play the most important position on each side of the ball. 

[Mojo44]

2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I get what you are trying to say here, but its not like our first round picks have had the type of impact someone like Garrett could provide.

 

Hairston, Kincaid, Elam were the last 3. Coleman was 33rd overall. Are we missing out on that much giving up 3 25-32 picks? I don't think so

Yes, in my opinion, we would be missing out on a great deal of talent. I think it’s a fallacy to assume that the next three first round picks are going to be busts or failures. Not only that, when Kincaid is healthy the bills win. Harrison is only coming into a second year and he flashed some very good stuff. if Garrett was 26 or 27 then I would say maybe. I also think it’s a fallacy to assume that if we made the trade that guarantees a championship. Of course it doesn’t. I’m not even sure it moves the needle that much from where the team is at now. For a price like that to me it’s a fools errand. 
 

[BillsPride12]

3 hours ago, Augie said:

 

That kind of price tag should get you a QB imo. I know it’s a premium position, but too rich for my blood to have so many eggs in one basket in terms of draft pick compensation and salary cap ramifications. 

I mean I don't see it happening in any way, shape or form....but counterpoint to this argument, is it worth it if your team already has the franchise QB? 🤔 

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't see that anyone has begun a discussion here on this subject, and I'm curious about the possibility, so here goes. 

 

Buffalo Rumblings ran an article yesterday by Matt Warren saying that the Browns have restructured Garrett's contract in a way that dramatically reduces his cap hit for the next year or two. The cap saving doesn't really help the Browns in their latest effort to resurrect the team, and it seems that the principal benefit of the restructure is to make a trade for Garrett much more likely.  A trade might net the Browns three first-round picks (Ravens were willing to give two for Maxx, who was bringing a big cap hit with him), and apparently the Browns have asked the NFL to raise the current league limit on such trades from three years of picks to five! 

 

Point being that it seems the Bills could find the cap room to acquire Garrett, if they were willing to trade maybe three first round picks, or maybe two picks plus Rousseau, or something along those lines. 

 

I don't like mortgaging the future, but Myles Garrett is an extraordinary talent. He could be Josh Allen's Chris Jones. 

 

Any buyers at The Stadium Wall?

 

You probably don't make that trade this time of year, IMO. Same as Crosby situation, its post free agency, everyone's too cap allocated to try and squeeze that money into your existing payroll.

 

If it is happening, id imagine a trade would be announced like tonight. Theyre not restructuring it, until they have a deal fully locked in.

 

I could be wrong, for sure, and I know weve seen some big draft day deals.... but those are usually guys ABOUT TO GET BIG $$, not guys who already got it. Especially not at the 2nd most expensive position.... EDGE $$$ >>> safety $

[machine gun kelly]

I don’t see this time as the right time.  Too much, he’s hitting 30, and it’s $40 mil./yr.

[Nihilarian]

Let me chime in...with the Buffalo Bills luck, I'd say we trade three firsts, and pay the guy what? 40 mill per?  Probably the first thing that would happen is he would have a season-ending injury...

 

One guy isn't going to make or break a season, a team, a defense, no matter how great he is! Bruce Smith didn't do it all alone, as he had Biscuit along with Bryce Paup. What happened? 

 

The Bills had Mario Williams and Jerry Hughes, who led the league in sacks, and where did it get them?

 

Ya know what? Ya know what's great? The new Buffalo defensive scheme under Jim Leonhard doesn't need a $40 million-dollar superstar at one position... do you know why?

 

Because in that scheme, the pass rush can come from anywhere, CB, S, LBer, D-line...anywhere. More specifically, Buffalo needs a strong LBer group and perhaps one stud. Now if it were Micah Parsons...

Edited March 27 by Nihilarian

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Not for the Rumored three 1st round picks.

I will say this, from a pass rushing standpoint, an you imagine Chubb lined up on the outside of Garrett?  Whew!  Reminds me of Paup lined up outside of Bruce, but if Bruce was still in his prime at the time.

Agreed not 3 rd1's , that was his price 3 years ago... hes got tread on the tires but not enough to justify that.

 

WHILE I DONT THINK ITS LIKELY AT ALL (LET ALONE US) IF YOURE BEANE,  YOU SEE THIS IS THE BROWNS AND JUMP IN THE MIX! DUMBEST FRONT OFFICE IN NFL. 

 

MAYBE YOU CAN TRICK THEM LOL

4 - 5th Rders? 

This years 1st, next year's 3rd, two 5ths lol

 

Just throw numbers at them until their stupid head spins 😆😆

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

I mean I don't see it happening in any way, shape or form....but counterpoint to this argument, is it worth it if your team already has the franchise QB? 🤔 

 

I know many smart people will disagree with me, but no. Three first round picks should get you a few cost controlled starters, and maybe even a star or two for 4-5 years. Myles Garrett is one 30 year old man. He’s a great football player, but he’ll be out of the league while the 3 first round picks are still under contract and contributing.

 

If I were to sell my soul or the Bills future for a shot at a Super Bowl investing heavily in one guy, he’ll pull a Von Miller on us and get hurt. I was FOR the Miller deal, but that’s the risk you take with so many eggs in one basket. Same with Justin Jefferson or any huge name. I’d rather try to find our own guys. We’re led to believe McD was impacting the drafts, let’s find out. That’s just me. 

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Yesterday I posted about this in the FA Bonanza thread. Unlike last season he appears to be available for trade this offseason - probably after 6/1. Three end of round firsts for Myles Garrett would be a steal for the Bills. He’d probably require the Bills to play a four man front, but that would be a small price to pay. And where the Bills would be expected to draft it would likely take more than that. The Bills would also have to shed some cash spend to acquire him. That might be trickier at this point in the offseason. 

My biggest issue is the net loss of 3 picks.

 

Three 1sts (hopefully late), they send back two 3rds (hopefully early).

[BillsPride12]

6 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Let me chime in...with the Buffalo Bills luck, I'd say we trade three firsts, and pay the guy what? 40 mill per?  Probably the first thing that would happen is he would have a season-ending injury...

 

One guy isn't going to make or break a season, a team, a defense, no matter how great he is! Bruce Smith didn't do it all alone, as he had Biscuit along with Bryce Paup. What happened? 

 

The Bills had Mario Williams and Jerry Hughes, who led the league in sacks, and where did it get them?

 

Ya know what? Ya know what's great? The new Buffalo defensive scheme under Jim Leonhard doesn't need a $40 million-dollar superstar at one position... do you know why?

 

Because in that scheme, the pass rush can come from anywhere, CB, S, LBer, D-line...anywhere. More specifically, Buffalo needs a strong LBer group and perhaps one stud. Now if it were Micah Parsons...

I agree with the first part.  The biggest risk factor involved would be the possibility of an injury.

 

But I disagree with the second part.  A guy as good as Myles Garrett can absolutely shift the way that entire Defense looks. He is an absolute disruptor and game breaker even on the plays he is not recording a sack.  This Defense desperately needs an elite level game-breaker who can elevate everybody else on the field. 

It's not going to happen and I agree 3 firsts is STEEP but this is one guy you would have to at least consider it if you were Beane. 

Edited March 27 by BillsPride12

[Shaw66]

5 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

You probably don't make that trade this time of year, IMO. Same as Crosby situation, its post free agency, everyone's too cap allocated to try and squeeze that money into your existing payroll.

 

If it is happening, id imagine a trade would be announced like tonight. Theyre not restructuring it, until they have a deal fully locked in.

 

I could be wrong, for sure, and I know weve seen some big draft day deals.... but those are usually guys ABOUT TO GET BIG $$, not guys who already got it. Especially not at the 2nd most expensive position.... EDGE $$$ >>> safety $

The Browns already did it. Apparently, it costs them no more and no less in total dollars or cap hit; it just changing the timing.  They had to do it in the past couple of days or they would have been locked in in some ways.  So, it makes no significant difference to the Browns having done it; if they keep him, he's on essentially the same deal. It does lock the Browns into more dead cap money, but it makes it much easier to do a trade now, because the cap hit to the new team modest.  If the Browns do trade him, they will recover the cost of the increased dead cap by getting more trade capital back. If Garrett flames out, the trade partner will have lost draft capital, but won't be in cap hell. 

[BarleyNY]

1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said:

My biggest issue is the net loss of 3 picks.

 

Three 1sts (hopefully late), they send back two 3rds (hopefully early).

I get what you’re saying, but Myles Garrett is the best defensive player in the league - at the most important position on defense. That’s gonna cost. 

[BillsPride12]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I know many smart people will disagree with me, but no. Three first round picks should get you a few cost controlled starters, and maybe even a star or two for 4-5 years. Myles Garrett is one 30 year old man. He’s a great football player, but he’ll be out of the league while the 3 first round picks are still under contract and contributing.

 

If I were to sell my soul or the Bills future for a shot at a Super Bowl investing heavily in one guy, he’ll pull a Von Miller on us and get hurt. I was FOR the Miller deal, but that’s the risk you take with so many eggs in one basket. Same with Justin Jefferson or any huge name. I’d rather try to find our own guys. We’re led to believe McD was impacting the drafts, let’s find out. That’s just me. 

I think the majority of people will agree with your take.  I'm not 100% sure I would pull the trigger myself but I would damn sure give it alot of thought.

 

Ironically enough I was one of the few people who wasn't all that excited and fired up when Beane made the Miller deal.  It was alot of money for a guy who was past his prime and had already dealt with some injury issues(I know Garrett has had some injuries too but nothing that has slowed him down and he is still going to be in his prime for a few more years). I'm generally a build through the draft guy myself but if you have a chance to get a legit difference maker still in their prime at pass rush or WR you make that deal.

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, Franchiseneedsme said:

Would this be worth it if we win a championship?

Fair.

 

However, if I was Beane id lobby for a few extra $M a year to spend on scouting & position coaches over those years. Do something to offset that cost

11 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

The Browns already did it. Apparently, it costs them no more and no less in total dollars or cap hit; it just changing the timing.  They had to do it in the past couple of days or they would have been locked in in some ways.  So, it makes no significant difference to the Browns having done it; if they keep him, he's on essentially the same deal. It does lock the Browns into more dead cap money, but it makes it much easier to do a trade now, because the cap hit to the new team modest.  If the Browns do trade him, they will recover the cost of the increased dead cap by getting more trade capital back. If Garrett flames out, the trade partner will have lost draft capital, but won't be in cap hell. 

I tried checking Spotrac but its not updated

[Walking Tall]

Are the Bills one defensive player away from a Super Bowl championship?

 

If the answer is yes, trade five first round picks for him (I know you can’t do that) for all I care.

 

 

[KingBoots8]

7 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:

Are the Bills one defensive player away from a Super Bowl championship?

 

If the answer is yes, trade five first round picks for him (I know you can’t do that) for all I care.

 

 

Aren’t the Browns pushing to be able to treads picks 5 years out? lol your wish may be a reality, but the only team willing to trade 5 picks for a player would be the Browns because, well, they’re the Browns lol