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2 hours ago, SCBills said:


Our pass rush looked good with a healthy Oliver and Hoecht. 
 

I can’t fault them for thinking the answer is just to hope we don’t get hit with catastrophic injuries to major DL pieces. 
 

That, along with what we need to hope is some level of development from Sanders and maybe Jackson/Solomon/Carter. 
 

Hope is not a strategy, and we don’t know what Hoecht will look like immediately back from the Achilles, but at some point you have simply hope you don’t continually have devestated injuries on the DL. 
 

I also think Chubb is better than anything we lost. 

Yeah I hear ya.   I agree that Chubb is better than anything single player we lost, but the sum is a net loss considering we haven’t replaced Daquan or Epenesa.  Neither are great, but both are better than the guys that have slid into their roles (by default, because we’ve added no one).  
 

I just feel that pass rush is the most Important aspect of winning Super Bowl.  We’ve had the best player in the league for several years and no super bowls.  IMO, our lack of pass rush is the MAIN reason why.  I won’t be happy until we’re dominant up front.  

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34 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah I hear ya.   I agree that Chubb is better than anything single player we lost, but the sum is a net loss considering we haven’t replaced Daquan or Epenesa.  Neither are great, but both are better than the guys that have slid into their roles (by default, because we’ve added no one).  
 

I just feel that pass rush is the most Important aspect of winning Super Bowl.  We’ve had the best player in the league for several years and no super bowls.  IMO, our lack of pass rush is the MAIN reason why.  I won’t be happy until we’re dominant up front.  

There is still a fair bit of luck involved in winning the SB.  Injuries (your team and opponents), bad calls, weather conditions, unlucky turnovers, etc…

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35 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah I hear ya.   I agree that Chubb is better than anything single player we lost, but the sum is a net loss considering we haven’t replaced Daquan or Epenesa.  Neither are great, but both are better than the guys that have slid into their roles (by default, because we’ve added no one).  
 

I just feel that pass rush is the most Important aspect of winning Super Bowl.  We’ve had the best player in the league for several years and no super bowls.  IMO, our lack of pass rush is the MAIN reason why.  I won’t be happy until we’re dominant up front.  

 

I don't know if Chubb is that much better than 2025 Bosa honestly? Bosa had a fairly low sack total (5) but he led the league in forced fumbles (5) while also having fairly good advanced metrics like pressure rate and pass rush win rate (top 20-25 in both). I think the Bills are likely going to be brining in two D-line via the draft so that will back fill some of the losses of the more rotational players like AJE and Daquan but I do think there will be some sort of lower mid-level to mid-level veteran added to the D-line after the draft. Either Bosa returning or someone of that caliber I could see coming in. 

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2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

There is still a fair bit of luck involved in winning the SB.  Injuries (your team and opponents), bad calls, weather conditions, unlucky turnovers, etc…

I agree.  I think I’ve been the biggest proclaimer of luck playing a big part on the board.

 

that said-  our pass rush has been pretty much nonexistent in every season ending loss.  We haven’t had a great (or even good) pass rush since Josh Allen has been elite, it was good for the 2/3 of a regular season with Von Miller, but average to poor since then.  If we want to win a SB, we’ll need some luck PLUS a good pass rush imo

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I don't know if Chubb is that much better than 2025 Bosa honestly? Bosa had a fairly low sack total (5) but he led the league in forced fumbles (5) while also having fairly good advanced metrics like pressure rate and pass rush win rate (top 20-25 in both). I think the Bills are likely going to be brining in two D-line via the draft so that will back fill some of the losses of the more rotational players like AJE and Daquan but I do think there will be some sort of lower mid-level to mid-level veteran added to the D-line after the draft. Either Bosa returning or someone of that caliber I could see coming in. 

I agree with all of that.  I’m not just too confidant that a rd 4-7 DL will be able to step in and play many meaningful snaps.   Probably less than a 50% chance imo.  
 

my point was- our pass rush was meh last season….and it hasn’t gotten any better through free agency.  It’s only gotten worse if anything 

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21 hours ago, Low Positive said:

I think a lot of teams will be looking to trade down this year, many more than will be looking to trade up. It might be hard to find a taker. 

Thats a helluva argument for looking to trade up if a player you like is falling.

 

If its a buyers market, trading up is the BPA of draft positioning. I hope we have talked to all the teams within 5-7 picks ahead of us. 

 

Its like borrowing money when interest rates are down. If you can get a higher Rate of return, than the cost of borrowing, you take it every time.

 

Just depends on how board falls

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On one end, I'm begging for a trade down scenario.  On the other end, I'm thinking about Beane's 2nd round draft history, and think that he should get locked in the closet during the second round of the draft. 

 

We had (2) 2nd round picks last year and came out of it with TJ Sanders.  

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6 hours ago, papazoid said:

 

"The Buffalo Bills’ 2026 NFL Draft plans are still a mystery to most. The team could go in several directions, with edge, wide receiver, defensive tackle, quarterback, and safety, all areas of need."

 

4 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

There is still a fair bit of luck involved in winning the SB.  Injuries (your team and opponents), bad calls, weather conditions, unlucky turnovers, etc…

 

While this is true, it's also a copout.

 

2 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

I don't know if Chubb is that much better than 2025 Bosa honestly? Bosa had a fairly low sack total (5) but he led the league in forced fumbles (5) while also having fairly good advanced metrics like pressure rate and pass rush win rate (top 20-25 in both). I think the Bills are likely going to be brining in two D-line via the draft so that will back fill some of the losses of the more rotational players like AJE and Daquan but I do think there will be some sort of lower mid-level to mid-level veteran added to the D-line after the draft. Either Bosa returning or someone of that caliber I could see coming in. 

 

IMO Chubb is a better pass rusher than Bosa and there are considerations related to that...

 

Bosa wore down during the year... I doubt you'll see that from Chubb.

 

Also Chubb is a much better run defender which means that the Bills should be able to put their opponents in more obvious passing situations than they did last year.

 

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3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I don't know if Chubb is that much better than 2025 Bosa honestly? Bosa had a fairly low sack total (5) but he led the league in forced fumbles (5) while also having fairly good advanced metrics like pressure rate and pass rush win rate (top 20-25 in both). I think the Bills are likely going to be brining in two D-line via the draft so that will back fill some of the losses of the more rotational players like AJE and Daquan but I do think there will be some sort of lower mid-level to mid-level veteran added to the D-line after the draft. Either Bosa returning or someone of that caliber I could see coming in. 

 

The biggest problem with Bosa is that he completely sold out to get to the QB... constantly losing contain in the run game... and still only managed 5 sacks on the season.  In all my years watching the NFL, I can't remember a defensive end who cared so little about actually stopping the run.

 

He was probably the cause of more huge runs and negative plays than anything he contributed on the positive end.  I've got zero interest in bringing him back, unless it's a league minimum contract where he can be nothing more than a pass down specialist.

 

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22 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

On one end, I'm begging for a trade down scenario.  On the other end, I'm thinking about Beane's 2nd round draft history, and think that he should get locked in the closet during the second round of the draft. 

Then you don't have anything to worry about this time around 😀

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3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I don't know if Chubb is that much better than 2025 Bosa honestly? Bosa had a fairly low sack total (5) but he led the league in forced fumbles (5) while also having fairly good advanced metrics like pressure rate and pass rush win rate (top 20-25 in both). I think the Bills are likely going to be brining in two D-line via the draft so that will back fill some of the losses of the more rotational players like AJE and Daquan but I do think there will be some sort of lower mid-level to mid-level veteran added to the D-line after the draft. Either Bosa returning or someone of that caliber I could see coming in. 

At least bring back Bosa. Without the Club Hand. Might be good enough, or better.

I still want to draft this guy over Howell and realizing my weak Dexter Lawrence fantasy on the Bills.

 This Kayden dude

 Bosa and Kayden Chubb Groot and that Rookie DT who really showed up ? You might have something worthwhile there

32 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

"The Buffalo Bills’ 2026 NFL Draft plans are still a mystery to most. The team could go in several directions, with edge, wide receiver, defensive tackle, quarterback, and safety, all areas of need."

 

 

While this is true, it's also a copout.

 

 

IMO Chubb is a better pass rusher than Bosa and there are considerations related to that...

 

Bosa wore down during the year... I doubt you'll see that from Chubb.

 

Also Chubb is a much better run defender which means that the Bills should be able to put their opponents in more obvious passing situations than they did last year.

 

Yep in regard to underlined

Bosa had a nasty hand wrist injury for a long while. He wore down from too many reps called And the injury.

Like i mentioned

Bosa and Chubb could be a handful and Bosa might be fine with another 1 year incentive contract

 Dare To dream

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1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

 

The biggest problem with Bosa is that he completely sold out to get to the QB... constantly losing contain in the run game... and still only managed 5 sacks on the season.  In all my years watching the NFL, I can't remember a defensive end who cared so little about actually stopping the run.

 

He was probably the cause of more huge runs and negative plays than anything he contributed on the positive end.  I've got zero interest in bringing him back, unless it's a league minimum contract where he can be nothing more than a pass down specialist.

 

 

I've seen some bad DE's against the run. I think given that Bosa has more experience in a 3-4 as an OLB where maybe his selling out to get to the QB is less of an issue in the ground game it could mean he's a better fit? I think right now Bosa is apparently high on his asking price. But if it comes down and the Bills don't take an EDGE at pick 26 (Let's say they take an EDGE at 91 or 126) I think brining in Bosa to serve as a stop gap for a year while guys develop behind Groot/Bosa/Chubb and Hoecht recovers from his injury. 

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3 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Thats a helluva argument for looking to trade up if a player you like is falling.

 

If its a buyers market, trading up is the BPA of draft positioning. I hope we have talked to all the teams within 5-7 picks ahead of us. 

 

Its like borrowing money when interest rates are down. If you can get a higher Rate of return, than the cost of borrowing, you take it every time.

 

Just depends on how board falls

Excellent point, but the Bills are capital poor to move up and I would not want to trade away any 2027 picks.

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1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

At least bring back Bosa. Without the Club Hand. Might be good enough, or better.

I still want to draft this guy over Howell and realizing my weak Dexter Lawrence fantasy on the Bills.

 This Kayden dude

 Bosa and Kayden Chubb Groot and that Rookie DT who really showed up ? You might have something worthwhile there

Yep in regard to underlined

Bosa had a nasty hand wrist injury for a long while. He wore down from too many reps called And the injury.

Like i mentioned

Bosa and Chubb could be a handful and Bosa might be fine with another 1 year incentive contract

 Dare To dream

I’m onboard to bring Bosa back at some reasonable price (if possible).  Heck, I’d take Epenesa back if cheap.  Browns cancelled on Epensa at $5M due to failed physical and that should drive the market down.  They could do worse than Epenesa as a rotational edge - at least in my view.

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2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I’m onboard to bring Bosa back at some reasonable price (if possible).  Heck, I’d take Epenesa back if cheap.  Browns cancelled on Epensa at $5M due to failed physical and that should drive the market down.  They could do worse than Epenesa as a rotational edge - at least in my view.

Depends on the reason for Epenesa's failed physical. Why would it then pass ours?

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2 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Depends on the reason for Epenesa's failed physical. Why would it then pass ours?

AJE is exactly the guy to move away from if youre sick of not getting to the other teams QB in the playoffs when it really matters.  Zero playoff sacks.  I'll take my chance on a day 2 or 3 guy possibly doing better for cheaper.   Same for Daquan, draft a NT.  Daquan himself was a 4th round choice.

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12 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yeah I hear ya.   I agree that Chubb is better than anything single player we lost, but the sum is a net loss considering we haven’t replaced Daquan or Epenesa.  Neither are great, but both are better than the guys that have slid into their roles (by default, because we’ve added no one).  
 

I just feel that pass rush is the most Important aspect of winning Super Bowl.  We’ve had the best player in the league for several years and no super bowls.  IMO, our lack of pass rush is the MAIN reason why.  I won’t be happy until we’re dominant up front.  

 

You appear to be contradicting yourself within this one post: 

If "pass rush is the most important aspect of winning a Super Bowl," then how does moving on from Daquan Jones and AJ Epenesa specifically even rate as a loss AT ALL? Chubb alone eclipses their combined pass rush production (despite being somewhat mediocre, statistically). And he's decent against the run. Both Epenesa and Jones were replacement level JAGs last season, so replacing them with younger, cheaper players is almost automatically a win. 

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