Ghost_002! Posted March 20 Posted March 20 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Lol, he’s Mac Jones playing a historically easy schedule. 😂😂 Do you have alerts set up like the Bat Signal to run to a Buffalo Bills message board to defend Drake Maye, anytime a negative word is said?!? The guy is maybe a slightly above average QB. Lol, I pray that the Pats think he’s more than that. Vrabel is outstanding. Maye is a Brock Purdy level QB coming off one of the worst playoff runs of all-time. In fact, he fumbled twice since I started typing this. Just go away… Said by nobody who is not a rival fan. I come and go as I please. Nobody has ever said you have to engage with me. Edited March 20 by Ghost_002! Quote
Goin Breakdown Posted March 20 Posted March 20 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Not when you have Maye throwing it to them. He's pretty accurate and has a deep pass. Wait till they get an Oline. Quote
NoSaint Posted March 20 Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Einstein said: He’s a few months from 29. Thats about the right time to start seeing diminishing elite speed. He has a couple years left, no doubt, but it’s not surprising that his separation numbers are decreasing. Just read a thread from 4 months ago on the Eagles forum where they discussed his reduced ability to separate. I think there is a gap between begin to decrease and finishing 78 out of 79 something like that always comes with questions about routes run, injuries, the person measuring, etc… the proverbial did he really fall from among the best to almost literally the worst from simple age or something else pop up? if it’s simply age are we applying the same timeline to our guys? Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted March 20 Posted March 20 3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: Said by nobody who is not a rival fan. I come and go as I please. Nobody has ever said you have to engage with me. Oh, I’m engaging every single time. Lol, are you debating that he didn’t come off one of the worst playoff performances ever? Here’s an article from those “rival fans” at NESN: https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/patriots-drake-maye-caps-historically-051220899.html For those of you who don’t know NESN stands for “New England Sports Network.” You can read up on the author who is a diehard Boston Sports Fan. 1 1 Quote
Ghost_002! Posted March 20 Posted March 20 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Oh, I’m engaging every single time. Lol, are you debating that he didn’t come off one of the worst playoff performances ever? Here’s an article from those “rival fans” at NESN: https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/patriots-drake-maye-caps-historically-051220899.html For those of you who don’t know NESN stands for “New England Sports Network.” You can read up on the author who is a diehard Boston Sports Fan. Sooo what are you complaining for then!?!? I do not know where you see me arguing that he didn't have a bad playoff performance but hey, people see what they wanna see now a days. Edited March 20 by Ghost_002! Quote
T master Posted March 20 Posted March 20 When you have as much cash on hand as they do these are the types of. things you can make happen but it won't last long ... Quote
Nihilarian Posted March 20 Posted March 20 17 hours ago, H2o said: AJ Brown is a good WR. But he seems like another diva-ish Diggs type, minus the hookers, pink cocaine, 4 baby mamas, and choking out personal chefs. He does seem a bit more mental though. If they add him, good for them. Doesn't scare me though. And Doubs definitely doesn't scare me either. The Pats schedule is gonna be a bit different next year, and Drake Maye was a great steaming pile of 💩 in the Playoffs. If you pressure him while keeping contain then he gets rattled and is prone to turnovers. Diggs was on his best behavior as it was his first season in NE, and he was a veteran rah-rah guy who was instrumental in helping build confidence in his teammates. As with Hollins and his whackadoodle antics, who Pats players/fans loved. Let them go Like with Diggs in Buffalo, I think that it won't take long for AJ to show his discontent if he isn't seeing the ball enough in his view. So yeah, let NE spend a bunch of draft picks on a guy who should be a bright spot at first, and then not so much. What the Patriots need more than an elite #1 WR is a better offensive line, along with a top RB. If they were smart, they might want to consider trading up in the draft this year to get Jeremiyah Love. I honestly hope they don't because with a top RB/run game, it would help Drake Maye and that offense so much. Think a mirror image of the Buffalo offense. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted March 20 Posted March 20 8 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Diggs was on his best behavior as it was his first season in NE, and he was a veteran rah-rah guy who was instrumental in helping build confidence in his teammates. As with Hollins and his whackadoodle antics, who Pats players/fans loved. Let them go Like with Diggs in Buffalo, I think that it won't take long for AJ to show his discontent if he isn't seeing the ball enough in his view. So yeah, let NE spend a bunch of draft picks on a guy who should be a bright spot at first, and then not so much. What the Patriots need more than an elite #1 WR is a better offensive line, along with a top RB. If they were smart, they might want to consider trading up in the draft this year to get Jeremiyah Love. I honestly hope they don't because with a top RB/run game, it would help Drake Maye and that offense so much. Think a mirror image of the Buffalo offense. Maybe I’m in the mintority but the Patriots don’t scare me at all. I think 10 wins is their ceiling. In fact, I think by 2028 (maybe even 2027 if they hit on QB), both the Jets and Dolphins will have passed them. That’s my hot take for the day. 2 Quote
H2o Posted March 20 Posted March 20 3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Diggs was on his best behavior as it was his first season in NE, and he was a veteran rah-rah guy who was instrumental in helping build confidence in his teammates. As with Hollins and his whackadoodle antics, who Pats players/fans loved. Let them go Like with Diggs in Buffalo, I think that it won't take long for AJ to show his discontent if he isn't seeing the ball enough in his view. So yeah, let NE spend a bunch of draft picks on a guy who should be a bright spot at first, and then not so much. What the Patriots need more than an elite #1 WR is a better offensive line, along with a top RB. If they were smart, they might want to consider trading up in the draft this year to get Jeremiyah Love. I honestly hope they don't because with a top RB/run game, it would help Drake Maye and that offense so much. Think a mirror image of the Buffalo offense. Love is going in the top 10 most likely, and won't get past the Jets @ #16. That's a hefty price to pay for a RB. They shouldn't and they won't do it. Plus, they have a solid tandem in Stevenson and Henderson. They got 1,500 yds and 16 TD's between those two guys. Their run game wasn't the problem. They are likely to focus on the OL if I had to guess, but they may also be looking for an Edge rusher with the loss of Chaisson. I don't believe that Dre'Mont Jones is who they will bank on alone. The rest of their guys are meh on the outside at best. For the OL, Vera-Tucker can't be relied upon to stay healthy. He managed 15 games last year, but he played 5 in 2024 and 7 in 2023. Morgan Moses, though he played solid last year, is 35. Jared Wilson is a liability in both phases. Will Campbell can't be left in there to be a turnstile but for so long next season, if that ends up being the case. Onwenu is the best, and most dependable OL'man they have. You could argue they need 4 guys with starting potential for their OL, but at least two imo. 2 Quote
Nihilarian Posted March 20 Posted March 20 (edited) 7 minutes ago, H2o said: Love is going in the top 10 most likely, and won't get past the Jets @ #16. That's a hefty price to pay for a RB. They shouldn't and they won't do it. Plus, they have a solid tandem in Stevenson and Henderson. They got 1,500 yds and 16 TD's between those two guys. Their run game wasn't the problem. They are likely to focus on the OL if I had to guess, but they may also be looking for an Edge rusher with the loss of Chaisson. I don't believe that Dre'Mont Jones is who they will bank on alone. The rest of their guys are meh on the outside at best. For the OL, Vera-Tucker can't be relied upon to stay healthy. He managed 15 games last year, but he played 5 in 2024 and 7 in 2023. Morgan Moses, though he played solid last year, is 35. Jared Wilson is a liability in both phases. Will Campbell can't be left in there to be a turnstile but for so long next season, if that ends up being the case. Onwenu is the best, and most dependable OL'man they have. You could argue they need 4 guys with starting potential for their OL, but at least two imo. I agree. Still, with a top RB like love they could be an exact version of the Buffalo Bills, and they already have a top-five defense. We don't...yet. Those two RBs, Stevenson and Henderson, don't scare me at all. An RB like Love, good lord. Buffalo had a hell of a time stopping the run last year... Edited March 20 by Nihilarian Quote
colin Posted March 20 Posted March 20 20 hours ago, 947 said: Brown was 2nd worst in the league last year in avg yards of separation, 78th out of 79 qualified WRs. He's not the same weapon he used to be, and not worth what the Eagles want for him. I hope the Pats trade their 1st & 2nd for him. All we have to do is not press him at the line, and knock down most of the 50/50 balls that go his way. i checked this, and one set of metrics (measured differently across platforms) has exactly this, another has him worse! its kinda crazy to me how the narrative is one way, the data is another, and the data might as well not exist because it's always the narrative which gets repeated. Quote
Krakensabres Posted March 20 Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Nihilarian said: Diggs was on his best behavior as it was his first season in NE, and he was a veteran rah-rah guy who was instrumental in helping build confidence in his teammates. As with Hollins and his whackadoodle antics, who Pats players/fans loved. Let them go Like with Diggs in Buffalo, I think that it won't take long for AJ to show his discontent if he isn't seeing the ball enough in his view. So yeah, let NE spend a bunch of draft picks on a guy who should be a bright spot at first, and then not so much. What the Patriots need more than an elite #1 WR is a better offensive line, along with a top RB. If they were smart, they might want to consider trading up in the draft this year to get Jeremiyah Love. I honestly hope they don't because with a top RB/run game, it would help Drake Maye and that offense so much. Think a mirror image of the Buffalo offense. He’s going to go top 10 - doubt they can get there let alone trade 2+ 1sts to get a RB 28 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: I agree. Still, with a top RB like love they could be an exact version of the Buffalo Bills, and they already have a top-five defense. We don't...yet. Those two RBs, Stevenson and Henderson, don't scare me at all. An RB like Love, good lord. Buffalo had a hell of a time stopping the run last year... I don’t think we can assume anything carries over about buffalos D next year including their run issues Quote
BuffaloMatt Posted March 20 Posted March 20 I love when a team brings cancer to the lockerroom. 1 Quote
Nihilarian Posted March 20 Posted March 20 25 minutes ago, Krakensabres said: He’s going to go top 10 - doubt they can get there let alone trade 2+ 1sts to get a RB I don’t think we can assume anything carries over about buffalos D next year including their run issues Good for the first, and we can only hope for the second. For whatever reason, it seems like they had the talent on the field to stop the run, and yet simply weren't disciplined enough to stay in their gaps. Once an RB broke free, it was off to the races. Nobody knows what this year's Buffalo defense will look like, and I really hope it doesn't go off the rails attempting to be overly aggressive. Quote
Low Positive Posted March 20 Posted March 20 Why are you guys still engaging on this. The "scoop" came from a fake parody Twitter account called Dixon Syder. Quote
H2o Posted March 20 Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Nihilarian said: I agree. Still, with a top RB like love they could be an exact version of the Buffalo Bills, and they already have a top-five defense. We don't...yet. Those two RBs, Stevenson and Henderson, don't scare me at all. An RB like Love, good lord. Buffalo had a hell of a time stopping the run last year... Tre had 148 yds and two long TD runs against us in the last meeting. We still won the game, but he torched us. He’s got the speed to be a problem and averaged 5.1 ypc. Quote
PatsFanNH Posted March 20 Posted March 20 4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Oh, I’m engaging every single time. Lol, are you debating that he didn’t come off one of the worst playoff performances ever? Here’s an article from those “rival fans” at NESN: https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/patriots-drake-maye-caps-historically-051220899.html For those of you who don’t know NESN stands for “New England Sports Network.” You can read up on the author who is a diehard Boston Sports Fan. Question? So the fact he can make every pass and shown he can make every pass and can also run when necessary makes him like Mac Jones who (sadly) didn’t have the arm strength to do it or an ability to run? Mind you the Mac Jones “hate” is thought would lesson after what he did with the 49ers last year facing good teams and D.. he isn’t elite but he will be an average QB in the league with the right coaching. As for the playoffs, yes Maye had a horrible playoff run..he looked lost and confused on the rare times he had time.. but he’s 23 and in his second year in not going take that and say “well this wipes out 17 very good games”. The simple truth is even with the schedule everyone figured a 9-8 or 10-7 record.. and him taking a small step forward.. they went 14-3 and he was 1 vote shy of being MVP in improvement.. was it an easy schedule? Heck ya but again what should a team that went 4-13 2 straight years get? Maye issues were made a lot worse by a very poor performing O line and that’s where the Pats hopes lay is in the fact this coming year they play better against good teams and then we can truly see what Maye has Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted March 20 Posted March 20 3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Question? So the fact he can make every pass and shown he can make every pass and can also run when necessary makes him like Mac Jones who (sadly) didn’t have the arm strength to do it or an ability to run? Mind you the Mac Jones “hate” is thought would lesson after what he did with the 49ers last year facing good teams and D.. he isn’t elite but he will be an average QB in the league with the right coaching. As for the playoffs, yes Maye had a horrible playoff run..he looked lost and confused on the rare times he had time.. but he’s 23 and in his second year in not going take that and say “well this wipes out 17 very good games”. The simple truth is even with the schedule everyone figured a 9-8 or 10-7 record.. and him taking a small step forward.. they went 14-3 and he was 1 vote shy of being MVP in improvement.. was it an easy schedule? Heck ya but again what should a team that went 4-13 2 straight years get? Maye issues were made a lot worse by a very poor performing O line and that’s where the Pats hopes lay is in the fact this coming year they play better against good teams and then we can truly see what Maye has Mac looked really good last year. He may still have a chance. When I watch Maye I don’t see him do anything that’s different. He’s pretty good at everything but I do not see a dynamic QB. He’s maybe a top 10ish guy but he doesn’t look like more than that. I said that when he was, laughably, consider for MVP. That would have been hysterical in hindsight. It’s honestly probably best for his long term future that he didn’t win. If he would have been named the MVP and then had THAT playoff performance he would be annihilated by the public/media. Maye wasn’t the same player after the Bills game. Ironically, McDermott exposed him some and others copied. I’m not a McDermott guy but that was not good for Maye’s future. I’m on record that he will never finish in the top 5 of an MVP vote in his career. I’m also on record that he’s more likely to be a backup in year 6 than on a monster deal. Again, that’s my perception and that was BEFORE that nightmare playoff performance. I think that we have already seen the best football he will ever play. That’s where the McCorkle comparison comes in. He played the best football of his career at the beginning. I might be wrong but I think we have already seen the best of the Pats. I’m betting lots on that this year. Vrabel is outstanding but I do not believe in Maye. In 2 years, I think both Miami and the Jets will pass them (or at least could if they get QB right). Those teams have tons of resources moving forward. The Bills are going to be the team to beat until Allen retires or leaves to go to the Rams. This year was an anomaly like the year Brady got hurt and the Pats didn’t win the division. It was a blip on the radar. The Pats win 10 games max imo this year. Maybe I’m wrong but I’m further emboldened by this take after watching that team over the 2nd half of the year and through the playoffs. I don’t think they are a top 10 team in the NFL. Quote
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 5 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said: He's pretty accurate and has a deep pass. Wait till they get an Oline. He looked brutal in the playoffs and superbowl. Also, awful against the Bills. I’m not impressed by him at all. He is an average QB. 1 Quote
PatsFanNH Posted March 20 Posted March 20 5 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: He looked brutal in the playoffs and superbowl. Also, awful against the Bills. I’m not impressed by him at all. He is an average QB. I wasn’t impressed by Josh Allen his first few years against the Pats and well he didn’t make the playoffs his second year but I bet he would have stunk just as bad. And awful against the Bills? He was the reason the Pats won in Buffalo last year and that’s not hyperbole but sheer fact he made passes that were just sick to win it.. the second game he wasn’t as good but that also wasn’t the game plan they ran for 245 yards! They lost not because he didn’t light it up but because the D couldn’t make a stop the entire second half. So I have no idea where you get “he wasn’t good” against the Bills.. it’s just false.. fun fact Allen didn’t light it up the second game either it was the run game that won that so does that mean I should think Allen just not that good? Weird take Quote
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