Josh Allen’s 0-7 OT record

[13 Seconds to Mars]

Why have the Bills been so putrid in OT? Is it just simple choking and not being able to handle the moment or is it deeper than that ? I expect them to lose every time the game gets to that point. And not even just OT, but a lot of high pressure games in general.
 

How many classic NFL matchups have the Bills been on the LOSING end of? And it’s not just OT. It’s a lot of high pressure games in general where the Bills totally fold. 
 

Are they cursed? Is it bad coaching? Is it sugar high Josh getting too deep into his own head? Defense? Culture? Will Joe Brady be able to fix this? If so, then how? 

Thank you. 
 

Edit: Wanted to add that Allen has the worst OT record out of any starting QB in history. 

Edited March 19 by 13 Seconds to Mars

[Virgil]

Is it strange that I find it more impressive that Josh has only played in 7 OT games?  
 

With his overall record, it just shows me that Josh likes to handle his business during office hours 

[SoCal Deek]

Answer: the NFL hasn’t found the magical set of rule changes to push us over the top. 😂

 

Go Bills 

[13 Seconds to Mars]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Is it strange that I find it more impressive that Josh has only played in 7 OT games?  
 

With his overall record, it just shows me that Josh likes to handle his business during office hours 

In comparison Lamar Jackson only played in 9 of them and he is 5-4.

 

edit: And Mahomes has played in 7 as well where he has an undefeated record 

Edited March 19 by 13 Seconds to Mars

[boater]

This will become a McDermott bashing thread.

 

I'm looking for it on DraftKings.

[Pecker]

Well, 13 seconds he didn’t get on the field.  
 

The Denver game he won it, but the refs gave Denver the ball, which has never happened before. 
 

I don’t remember the other 5.

 

im sure the Chiefs D won a lot of those games for Mahomes.  Allen never had that 

Edited March 19 by Pecker

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, ***** said:

Well, 13 seconds he didn’t get on the field.  
 

The Denver game he won it, but the refs gave Denver the ball, which has never happened before. 
 

I don’t remember the other 5.

 

im sure the Chiefs D won a lot of those games for Mahomes.  Allen never had that 

 

One was the Bucs comeback game in which Diggs was blatantly held.

[Sweats]

It's just ingrained in me that if we ever get to OT, we're just going to lose.

 

I have no idea why we choke in OT, nor have any idea if it's coaching, bad play calling, being too conservative, etc. but i just feel that if we get into OT, it's just another big L at that point.

 

What a legacy.

[13 Seconds to Mars]

9 minutes ago, boater said:

This will become a McDermott bashing thread.

 

I'm looking for it on DraftKings.

Well, that is not my intention at all. Bills issues in important games precedes McDermott. 

[GunnerBill]

I think 13 seconds is the only time Josh hasn't had the ball in overtime. 

 

It's a bit like since the 13 seconds game.... 1 touchdown in the 4th Quarter of 4 playoff losses.

 

These are not Josh Allen alone stastics. But the offense in high leverage situations has not been good enough. Josh has to own some of that, coaching does too, and Beane does for the lack of pass catching talent around Josh in those moments. 

 

Worth saying too that in 2/3 playoff defeats in those 7 (Houston and Denver) the defense actually stopped the opponents once in ovetrtime meaning 3 from the offense ended the game. And they still didn't get it done.

[Royale with Cheese]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I think 13 seconds is the only time Josh hasn't had the ball in overtime. 

 

It's a bit like since the 13 seconds game.... 1 touchdown in the 4th Quarter of 4 playoff losses.

 

These are not Josh Allen alone stastics. But the offense in high leverage situations has not been good enough. Josh has to own some of that, coaching does too, and Beane does for the lack of pass catching talent around Josh in those moments. 

 

Worth saying too that in 2/3 playoff defeats in those 7 (Houston and Denver) the defense actually stopped the opponents once in ovetrtime meaning 3 from the offense ended the game. And they still didn't get it done.

 

It's something that I think a lot on here know but don't want to actually say it.  The default is always blame the defense, which of course deserves their blame too.

But we have had opportunities to win the game with the ball in our hands and we didn't close it out.

[Dr. Who]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I think 13 seconds is the only time Josh hasn't had the ball in overtime. 

 

It's a bit like since the 13 seconds game.... 1 touchdown in the 4th Quarter of 4 playoff losses.

 

These are not Josh Allen alone stastics. But the offense in high leverage situations has not been good enough. Josh has to own some of that, coaching does too, and Beane does for the lack of pass catching talent around Josh in those moments. 

 

Worth saying too that in 2/3 playoff defeats in those 7 (Houston and Denver) the defense actually stopped the opponents once in ovetrtime meaning 3 from the offense ended the game. And they still didn't get it done.

It's a complex set of factors that cannot be simply reduced to a single element. Nonetheless, I still think the main determiner is lack of WR talent around Josh. If Cooks holds onto the ball a fraction of a second longer, the narrative goes away. Adding Moore helps. Beane should not be content with that, though he probably will be.

[T.E.]

The coach got tight in any close big game, and the team took on that identity as well, including Allen. The moment was always too big for all of them. Hoping there is a serious culture change regarding that.

 

Also tough to win in OT when your defense is designed to let teams dink and dunk you all the way down the field.

[Augie]

We should draft a QB at 26 this year. Our guy is a choker!

 

I think this is just one of those goofy stats that looks funny, but means very little. 

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

It's a complex set of factors that cannot be simply reduced to a single element. Nonetheless, I still think the main determiner is lack of WR talent around Josh. If Cooks holds onto the ball a fraction of a second longer, the narrative goes away. Adding Moore helps. Beane should not be content with that, though he probably will be.

 

I tend to be with you that receiving talent, or lack of, is the biggest factor but not the only one. 

[Magox]

When I see this stat, I have a reflexive internal need to want to somehow defend Josh, but he has had many opportunities to close out those games and I see there is also that very same reflexive desire from some posters to want to blame others such as WR's.  But when you looked at those instances, I hate to say it, Josh has had his opportunities that he has missed and even though Josh has been very good at many other high leverage moments, the overtime games unfortunately have not been where he has been at his best.

[Green Lightning]

29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

Worth saying too that in 2/3 playoff defeats in those 7 (Houston and Denver) the defense actually stopped the opponents once in ovetrtime meaning 3 from the offense ended the game. And they still didn't get it done.

And like it or not, this is the truth. We like to say that with the game on the line, you want the ball in Josh's hands, which works out in the regulation time, but not so much in OT. The comparison of Allen 0-7 and Mahomes 7-0 is a thing until Josh makes it not a thing.

[Buftex]

Time to move on from #17....Beane needs to get all the draft capital he can! 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

There is a ton of luck(Randomness) involved in these situations with small sample sizes. Any good stats guy will tell you a record around .500 is expected.  The fact the record is 0-7 just indicates to me a 2-3 weird events like not getting the ball in OT or the Denver call etc. reared its ugly head. Could easily be 3-4 or 4-3 and Mahomes could be 4-3 or 3-4. Be careful correlating to much in a sample size of 7.

[US Egg]

1 hour ago, 13 Seconds to Mars said:

Are they cursed? Is it bad coaching? Is it sugar high Josh getting too deep into his own head? Defense? Culture? Will Joe Brady be able to fix this? If so, then how? 

No. No. No. No. No. Hopefully. I don’t know.