Ryan Van Demark being tendered by Bills.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

It was $4M.  Having McGovern start with a fresh contract is fine with me.  If they want, they can make that up with the new contract.

All the "void" money does is make for $50M in dead cap down the road like the Bills will have this year.

I don't worry about that stuff.

The Bills could have used some of those dollars to create cap space. If his hit this year is going to be $6M for example (based on his new contract), it is $6M plus $4.5M (or whatever it was). They could have massaged it and created $2m or $3m more of 2026 cap space without any real future impact. 
 

Again, the point is there is ZERO benefit to not giving yourself that option. It’s not like you had to give up a 6th round pick or something to move the date. All that you had to do was file paperwork. I’d imagine both sides would have liked that. The Bills could have preserved cap space and McGovern might have been able to squeeze a few extra dollars out because of the cap space. 
 

If there was any benefit to the date being when it was, I’m all ears. I don’t know of any though. That’s just lousy business. The Bills punted a couple million dollars of cap space in 2026 because they didn’t execute. That’s bad any way you look at it.

[CNYfan]

44 minutes ago, ScotSHO said:

What are the cap implications of outright cutting Dion?  I feel like it would bee painful, otherwise it would have been talked about more.

 

It's probably time to cut bait on him.

Not quite, but getting there

[ColoradoBills]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

The Bills could have used some of those dollars to create cap space. If his hit this year is going to be $6M for example (based on his new contract), it is $6M plus $4.5M (or whatever it was). They could have massaged it and created $2m or $3m more of 2026 cap space without any real future impact. 
 

Again, the point is there is ZERO benefit to not giving yourself that option. It’s not like you had to give up a 6th round pick or something to move the date. All that you had to do was file paperwork. I’d imagine both sides would have liked that. The Bills could have preserved cap space and McGovern might have been able to squeeze a few extra dollars out because of the cap space. 
 

If there was any benefit to the date being when it was, I’m all ears. I don’t know of any though. That’s just lousy business. The Bills punted a couple million dollars of cap space in 2026 because they didn’t execute. That’s bad any way you look at it.

 

I know as much as you about cap numbers and contracts.

It's not that big of a deal.

 

IF they needed that $2-$3M that much they could squeeze that out on all the low $ salaries from players already on the roster.

Groot, Shakir, Benford and others.

The Bills ARE NOT going to squeeze every possible dollar out of this year's contracts by "restructuring".

So, it doesn't matter.

[Kirby Jackson]

9 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I know as much as you about cap numbers and contracts.

It's not that big of a deal.

 

IF they needed that $2-$3M that much they could squeeze that out on all the low $ salaries from players already on the roster.

Groot, Shakir, Benford and others.

The Bills ARE NOT going to squeeze every possible dollar out of this year's contracts by "restructuring".

So, it doesn't matter.

Fair but they could have rolled it over. They could have used that space if needed, to not have to pull the lever on Rousseau or Hoecht or Ty Johnson. It could have been the money that they used for in season moves.

 

My question, and what I don’t understand, is what was the benefit of not moving the date? We’ve established why it could have helped. What was the negative side of moving the date?

 

Unless I’m missing something, they just failed to execute. I’m not just talking about McGovern either. Why wasn’t the void date for Bosa, Milano, Ogunjobi, McGovern and whomever, hours before the start of FA “just in case.” It probably doesn’t make a difference often but it could have here. If you can help me understand the benefit to the date being a few weeks ago, I’m all ears.

Edited March 11 by Kirby Jackson

[buffblue]

58 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Hilarious. And we really are still supposed to believe it was all McD influence on the roster? 

All you needed to do is look how the Panthers were built when McDermott was a DC without power and Beane was the assistant GM. The 180 most people did to convince themselves that all blame lies with McD was downright laughable

[ColoradoBills]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Fair but they could have rolled it over. They could have used that space if needed, to not have to pull the lever on Rousseau or Hoecht or Ty Johnson. It could have been the money that the my used for in season moves.

 

My question, and what I don’t understand, is what was the benefit of not moving the date? We’ve established why it could have helped. What was the negative side of moving the date?

 

Unless I’m missing something, they jus failed to execute. I’m not just talking about McGovern either. Why wasn’t the void date for Bosa, Milano, Ogunjobi, McGovern and whomever, hours before the start of FA “just in case.” It probably doesn’t make a difference often but it could have here. If you can help me understand the benefit to the date being a few weeks ago, I’m all ears.

 

I agree.  BUT, most contracts have the void year money taking effect at or about the same time.

This year only 1 player had his void contract moved.

 

I assume it has more to do about the players agents wanting to know IF there is serious re-signing being considered.

It seems to be SOP with contracts.  Thus, my opinion of Beane not thinking McGovern could be signed.

[H2o]

We tendered THIS guy?!?! I'm done with this team!

 

 

 

[billsfan89]

58 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Wait we brought back Hamlin? 🤮 

 

 

He's a marginal backup safety whose a decent special teams player on presumably a minimum deal? I don't get the hate here...

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

He's a marginal backup safety whose a decent special teams player on presumably a minimum deal? I don't get the hate here...

 

Having Hamlin in camp is fine with me.  If he gets outplayed and ends up on the PS, that would be the best of all worlds.

He would be good insurance on the PS.

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I agree.  BUT, most contracts have the void year money taking effect at or about the same time.

This year only 1 player had his void contract moved.

 

I assume it has more to do about the players agents wanting to know IF there is serious re-signing being considered.

It seems to be SOP with contracts.  Thus, my opinion of Beane not thinking McGovern could be signed.

Well he was wrong then I guess. If he was even thinking that they might have had a discussion it should have been pushed.

 

I’ll buy the agents wanting to hold their feet to the fire a little. That makes some sense. It’s not a huge deal but it’s a failure to execute for sure. With the Chubb signing now, those couple million bucks could have come in handy.

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Well he was wrong then I guess. If he was even thinking that they might have had a discussion it should have been pushed.

 

I’ll buy the agents wanting to hold their feet to the fire a little. That makes some sense. It’s not a huge deal but it’s a failure to execute for sure. With the Chubb signing now, those couple million bucks could have come in handy.

 

The thing is, they are free to move as much of Chubb's money around as they want.

They can push $15M out or $10M or nothing.

See what I kinda mean?

[MrEpsYtown]

Don’t love it, don’t hate it. He is good depth, I feel like you probably could have worked something out for less. I suppose they can still negotiate something else. If he gets a great deal elsewhere fine, if he doesn’t and realizes the league sees him as a backup only maybe he signs something lower av for more years. Who knows?

[BigAl2526]

It is interesting that both Chase Lundt and Ryan Van Demark both went to UConn.  

[NeverOutNick]

17 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

He's a marginal backup safety whose a decent special teams player on presumably a minimum deal? I don't get the hate here...

The only reason he’s even still in the league is because we keep resigning the guy. He’s not even worth a veteran contract.

[billsfan89]

30 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

The only reason he’s even still in the league is because we keep resigning the guy. He’s not even worth a veteran contract.

 

He was a decent starter in 2024 and by all accounts played solid special teams in 2023. He got hurt early in 2025, I don't see the harm in bringing him into camp to compete for a 5th safety spot...

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He loves the guys he loves. They’re so scared to cycle through the depth guys. Are the Bills any worse at OT if it is Grable and a 5th rounder instead of Grable and Vandy? 

Didn't Vandemark start a game for Spencer Brown last year?  Was it the Steelers game?  He did not play real well from what I recall.  I can't imagine we keep Vandemark Lundt and Grabel.  Are any of the 3 at a level that they can be starting O linemen in the future?  Otherwise, what do we have, 3 marginal swing tackles.  

 

Maybe John Fina is out there, and needs a job:)  Beane might pay him well too..

[dreadlox]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Why? He's one of the five best players on the team!

Trading a player too early is better than waiting and having to sell low. But with  the team being in SB contention, losing the entire left side of the O-line isn’t something i think they want to do. If the situation were different I’d say he’s one of the few guys that could bring some serious draft capital in a trade and at his age and Beane would be stupid to not at least explore the market.

[In Summary]

2 hours ago, ngbills said:

Hilarious. And we really are still supposed to believe it was all McD influence on the roster? 

It was always going to take time and evidence for people to see that Beane actually was the GM these last years.

[MrEpsYtown]

19 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Didn't Vandemark start a game for Spencer Brown last year?  Was it the Steelers game?  He did not play real well from what I recall.  I can't imagine we keep Vandemark Lundt and Grabel.  Are any of the 3 at a level that they can be starting O linemen in the future?  Otherwise, what do we have, 3 marginal swing tackles.  

 

Maybe John Fina is out there, and needs a job:)  Beane might pay him well too..

RVD started at LT that game. Anderson at RT. I thought they both did an admirable job but Anderson is not a tackle. 
 

I think, as others have stated, Grable is in contention for the LG job. You don’t want your starting LG to also be your backup LT. So RVD protects you, but the tender is a bit rich. 

[Matt_In_NH]

So they rolled him in bread crumbs and dumped him in the fryolator?