Kirby Jackson Posted March 11 Posted March 11 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Grable is like Tommy Doyle -- ALWAYS hurt. I have no faith in him. Would you agree that between he and Lundt, you’re okay at reserve OT? You can always add a body in the draft. This signing is an example of a larger problem. When you have a highly compensated QB, you need the back of your roster to be cheap so that you can still keep a strong top of the roster. The Bills haven’t done that. They’ve spread dollars on guys 35-53 in a manner that is borderline malpractice. The gap from Vandy to Grable is nil (Grable is probably better). You have to be willing to walk away from guys like that and Hamlin. Quote
Steptide Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Anyone have any idea what our cap space is? Don't the bills have like 15 minutes to be compliant? Quote
BuffaloRebound Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Im not complaining about $3.5m for your 3rd or 4th tackle. Offensive Line is too important and if there’s no injuries come late august. you can flip these guys for picks. 1 1 Quote
dave mcbride Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Would you agree that between he and Lundt, you’re okay at reserve OT? You can always add a body in the draft. This signing is an example of a larger problem. When you have a highly compensated QB, you need the back of your roster to be cheap so that you can still keep a strong top of the roster. The Bills haven’t done that. They’ve spread dollars on guys 35-53 in a manner that is borderline malpractice. The gap from Vandy to Grable is nil (Grable is probably better). You have to be willing to walk away from guys like that and Hamlin. I dunno -- $3.5 million is basically peanuts (~one percent of a $310 million cap), and if they add a couple of years I'm sure they can get him down to a $1.5 million or so cap hit. There are bigger JAG contracts to worry about than one that'll take up 1 percent of the cap. Hell, the $4.8 million void money for McGovern they failed to move forward into 2027 is 35 percent more than that ... Edited March 11 by dave mcbride 1 1 1 Quote
boyst Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Catch 22 If he is pressed into starting due to injury or traded at cut downs/TC for a 2027 mid round pick this contract looks a hell of a lot different. 1 Quote
BearNorth Posted March 11 Posted March 11 20 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Grable getting a look at LG so RVD is the swing tackle? Brown has missed 12 out of 85 games the 5 years he has been in Buffalo - 1 out of every 7 games Dawkins has missed 6 out of 85, in that time - so basically a game a year, several of those in week 18. Yes, we need a swing tackle that Josh can trust. Quote
ColoradoBills Posted March 11 Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, Steptide said: Anyone have any idea what our cap space is? Don't the bills have like 15 minutes to be compliant? With the Josh restructure, they are already under the cap. We just don't know exactly contract numbers yet on Spotrac and OTC. When the dust settles should have $10-$15M in space depending on how much they defer on McGovern and Moore. 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted March 11 Posted March 11 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: I dunno -- $3.5 million is basically peanuts (~one percent of a $310 million cap), and if they add a couple of years I'm sure they can get him down to a $1.5 million or so cap hit. There are bigger JAG contracts to worry about than one that'll take up 1 percent of the cap. Hell, the $4.8 million void money for McGovern they failed to move forward into 2027 is 35 percent more than that ... The void dollars on McGovern IS malpractice IMO. The Vandy deal, in a vacuum, isn’t the problem. They’ll carry some dead money into the future on him if that’s the case. The number isn’t huge. It’s just the little here and the little there that add up. Beyond that, on day 1 of FA, you absolutely 100% should not be spending time on Vandy, or Hamlin or Kyle freakin’ Allen. You shouldn’t have a conversation with any of their agents until June. Those guys you end up with. You don’t target them. 2 Quote
stlbills13 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 I guess the draft will be all defense again. Not ideal when you have two top 100 picks. Another trade back year? Quote
ColoradoBills Posted March 11 Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The void dollars on McGovern IS malpractice IMO. I'm of the firm belief that Beane had abandoned all hope of signing McGovern. We all did. His huge "hometown discount" came to a shock by everyone. Let's be happy about it and probably need to thank Josh Allen for it. Quote
eSJayDee Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Yes, it does seem like an overpay. HOWEVER...not only do we have the opportunity to re-sign him instead to a contract that may well be more desirable to BOTH parties (ie lower cap hit for us, more guaranteed $ for him) but more importantly, is that there's no assurance that he's gonna make the team (& you need spare cap in-season for injury replacements, etc). When roster cut-down time comes & it's a choice between him at $3.5m cap & another player who's almost as good at $1m, who you think they're gonna choose? Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted March 11 Posted March 11 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I'm of the firm belief that Beane had abandoned all hope of signing McGovern. We all did. His huge "hometown discount" came to a shock by everyone. Let's be happy about it and probably need to thank Josh Allen for it. Sure, but there was ZERO reason to not push the void deadline until yesterday. Having a void deadline before it is needed is insanity. You have nothing to gain and potentially something to lose. Quote
Bill from NYC Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) It is a good thing to keep a good OL for Josh. I feel just so great about this, I think that I am going to post 200 times today. Edited March 11 by Bill from NYC 3 1 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted March 11 Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Sure, but there was ZERO reason to not push the void deadline until yesterday. Having a void deadline before it is needed is insanity. You have nothing to gain and potentially something to lose. It was $4M. Having McGovern start with a fresh contract is fine with me. If they want, they can make that up with the new contract. All the "void" money does is make for $50M in dead cap down the road like the Bills will have this year. I don't worry about that stuff. 1 Quote
ScotSHO Posted March 11 Posted March 11 29 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Why? He's one of the five best players on the team! I think he's in decline, and good teams sometimes cut bait a bit early on perennial good performers for cap reasons. Plus Van Demark is ready. Maybe Beane has another year (or two) in his plans for Dion? Taron overstayed his welcome by a year, I hope we don't do the same with Dion. Quote
dave mcbride Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Just now, ScotSHO said: I think he's in decline, and good teams sometimes cut bait a bit early on perennial good performers for cap reasons. Plus Van Demark is ready. Maybe Beane has another year (or two) in his plans for Dion? Taron overstayed his welcome by a year, I hope we don't do the same with Dion. He had an good season this year -- 7th highest rated tackle in pass blocking according to PFF: https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/dion-dawkins/11818. Quote
ColoradoBills Posted March 11 Posted March 11 21 minutes ago, Steptide said: Anyone have any idea what our cap space is? Don't the bills have like 15 minutes to be compliant? I think some fans get confused about these timelines. At 4:00pm today, the players so far in free agency and trades can actually "sign" their contracts and submit them into the NFL. What Spotrac has been doing is estimating what they read on twitter and hear from agents. The real #s will soon be out. Lots of times less than what we heard. 1 Quote
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