eball Posted March 10 Posted March 10 I know everyone’s interested in the FA frenzy right now but I keep coming back to what Brady has (and more importantly, hasn’t) said about his coaching influences and mentors. It’s almost entirely Payton, Payton, Payton…I have not heard him say even once how he learned anything from McDermott’s approach or philosophy, aside from the obligatory “what he did to establish a winning culture in Buffalo was awesome” blah-blah-blah. The OC he brought in was Payton’s right hand man for years. While there are certainly things that have been very successful I’m sure he will carry forward, I can’t help but believe we are going to see a significant difference in how we attack defenses. It’s one of the reasons why losing a guy like Gilliam doesn’t concern me because he’s just not a threat in any way offensively and basically telegraphed a run play all of the time he was out there. Anyway, just some early morning (for me) ramblings as FA gets started… Quote
Buffalo716 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) 14 minutes ago, eball said: I know everyone’s interested in the FA frenzy right now but I keep coming back to what Brady has (and more importantly, hasn’t) said about his coaching influences and mentors. It’s almost entirely Payton, Payton, Payton…I have not heard him say even once how he learned anything from McDermott’s approach or philosophy, aside from the obligatory “what he did to establish a winning culture in Buffalo was awesome” blah-blah-blah. The OC he brought in was Payton’s right hand man for years. While there are certainly things that have been very successful I’m sure he will carry forward, I can’t help but believe we are going to see a significant difference in how we attack defenses. It’s one of the reasons why losing a guy like Gilliam doesn’t concern me because he’s just not a threat in any way offensively and basically telegraphed a run play all of the time he was out there. Anyway, just some early morning (for me) ramblings as FA gets started… Basically only had a cup of coffee with Peyton too He's not some big time protege that was groomed by Sean he had a cup of coffee there in a very small role Literally 2 years ago nobody in football was calling him a Sean Payton protege.. yet because Brady's specifically mentioned he's a Sean Payton guy in the presser that's gotten tons of play Nobody considered him a Sean Payton protege 2 years ago He's also the offensive coordinator who transitioned us to more of a under center running game.. he had full control of the offense he could have been doing whatever he wanted last year it's not going to be a full air raid People who think there's going to be a 180 on offense this was his offense.. you're not going to see massive changes just adaptations Yet even when we hired Joe Brady as the quarterbacks coach nobody was touting him as a protege of Sean Payton.. he knew what he was doing when he said that in the press conference Never even had one promotion from Sean Payton... PR told him to distance himself from McDermott and pin himself to Peyton lol Edited March 10 by Buffalo716 2 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) a lot of the concepts will be similar... I just think wide receiver will be improved and there's going to be more air yards here and there... The play calling was superb in the playoffs. Edited March 10 by Kelly to Allen 1 Quote
Lost Posted March 10 Posted March 10 We now got two guys for Brady to dial up bubble screens to. Gotta put that WR $$$ to good use! 1 Quote
QLBillsFan Posted March 10 Posted March 10 If the Bills don’t replace Gilliam to the OP Bills will throw more.. 🤷🏻♂️.. Quote
NoSaint Posted March 10 Posted March 10 38 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Basically only had a cup of coffee with Peyton too He's not some big time protege that was groomed by Sean he had a cup of coffee there in a very small role Literally 2 years ago nobody in football was calling him a Sean Payton protege.. yet because Brady's specifically mentioned he's a Sean Payton guy in the presser that's gotten tons of play Nobody considered him a Sean Payton protege 2 years ago He's also the offensive coordinator who transitioned us to more of a under center running game.. he had full control of the offense he could have been doing whatever he wanted last year it's not going to be a full air raid People who think there's going to be a 180 on offense this was his offense.. you're not going to see massive changes just adaptations Yet even when we hired Joe Brady as the quarterbacks coach nobody was touting him as a protege of Sean Payton.. he knew what he was doing when he said that in the press conference Never even had one promotion from Sean Payton... PR told him to distance himself from McDermott and pin himself to Peyton lol umm… everyone called him a Sean Payton guy 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) 7 minutes ago, NoSaint said: umm… everyone called him a Sean Payton guy Find one article from when we hired him that called him a Sean Peyton protege .. he was a mercenary , who got most his promotions from McDermott He was at W&M 2 years Penn st 2 years NO 2 years LSU 1 year Carolina 2 years He was never called a groomed protege of Peyton , never even got 1 promotion from him You usually need to get some promotions from a guy and stick around longer than 2 years to be his protege He was the lowest level offensive assistant never got one promotion in the saints organization Edited March 10 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
NoSaint Posted March 10 Posted March 10 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Find one article from when we hired him that called him a Sean Peyton protege .. he was a mercenary , who got most his promotions from McDermott He was at W&M 2 years Penn st 2 years NO 2 years LSU 1 year Carolina 2 years He was never called a groomed protege of Peyton , never even got 1 promotion from him You usually need to get some promotions from a guy and stick around longer than 2 years to be his protege He was the lowest level offensive assistant never got one promotion in the saints organization counter: he hired Pete Carmichael day 1 basically. counter: swirling rumors that if he didn’t get a HC role that Payton would’ve hired Brady AND given him play calling do you think he just made coffee for 5 minutes and then never engaged with that crew again? https://www.profootballnetwork.com/new-oc-joe-brady-changing-bills-offense-caplan/ also an article that literally calls him a Sean Payton protege in 2023 2 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) 20 minutes ago, NoSaint said: counter: he hired Pete Carmichael day 1 basically. counter: swirling rumors that if he didn’t get a HC role that Payton would’ve hired Brady AND given him play calling do you think he just made coffee for 5 minutes and then never engaged with that crew again? https://www.profootballnetwork.com/new-oc-joe-brady-changing-bills-offense-caplan/ also an article that literally calls him a Sean Payton protege in 2023 It's not worth going back and forth but I appreciate that you did find one article yet that's probably the only one that ever called him a protege of Sean Payton .. people call McDermott an Andy Reid tree member because he spent 12 years there that's a lot more than two When we hired him we didn't even talk about that at the press conference about him.. again he didn't even get one promotion from Peyton it's kind of hard to be called somebody's protege when you were the lowest level assistant and never got promotions If he went from assistant to wide receiver coach to quarterback coach yeah there'd be progression there he stayed at the bottom rung I do appreciate your work though and of course he has ties to some people on that staff yet that was not a selling point of Joe Brady that he was a protege of Sean Payton he was the lowest level assistant who never got a promotion from him .. the bills didn't even try to sell that point when we hired him He's been under Sean McDermott more than any coach he ever has he absolutely learned more in the last 4 years than he did with two with Sean Payton I do appreciate you digging up one article and it probably must have been hard to find cuz I looked through 15 and nobody use the word Peyton protege once besides the one you found Usually proteges are with a coach a lot longer than 2 years to get that label Edited March 10 by Buffalo716 Quote
Big Turk Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) Guess we are going to find out how much Brady was being "reined in" by McD. Edited March 10 by Big Turk Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Go look up how the Saints offense was with Brees. Carmichael created the game plan and Peyton called the plays. I expect us to still run the ball,but Allen get 4500+ yards per year. Brady said at his presser he was going to be more aggressive. I expect a lot more under center play action. 3 Quote
NoSaint Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: It's not worth going back and forth but I appreciate that you did find one article yet that's probably the only one that ever called him a protege of Sean Payton .. people call McDermott an Andy Reid tree member because he spent 12 years there that's a lot more than two When we hired him we didn't even talk about that at the press conference about him.. again he didn't even get one promotion from Peyton it's kind of hard to be called somebody's protege when you were the lowest level assistant and never got promotions If he went from assistant to wide receiver coach to quarterback coach yeah there'd be progression there he stayed at the bottom rung I do appreciate your work though and of course he has ties to some people on that staff yet that was not a selling point of Joe Brady that he was a protege of Sean Payton he was the lowest level assistant who never got a promotion from him .. the bills didn't even try to sell that point when we hired him He's been under Sean McDermott more than any coach he ever has he absolutely learned more in the last 4 years than he did with two with Sean Payton I do appreciate you digging up one article and it probably must have been hard to find cuz I looked through 15 and nobody use the word Peyton protege once besides the one you found Usually proteges are with a coach a lot longer than 2 years to get that label yea, terribly rough to find. Took me multiple minutes in my phone to provide one from a national writer from 2-3 years ago and reply to you. it’s ok. Maybe at some point it will also both click for you where I live, and that I may also chat with folks that are engaged in football in the region and that there’s a reason I’m confidently telling you that you are missing this one while you write silly posts like praising McDermott for Brady. Joe Brady has long looked up to Sean. Joe has learned a lot about running an nfl franchise from that stop. Yes, Joe was an assistant but one that was very well spoken of by saints leadership including Sean because he did more than sit in the dungeon or make coffee. He’s often credited with things like getting bridgewater up to speed, or creating some of the taysom hill packages, for instance. There’s a reason he jumped to passing coordinator for a national championship squad: he was doing actual real work in the building and getting really positive reviews. Theres a reason the OC from the team wanted to work for Joe. Edited March 10 by NoSaint 3 2 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: yea, terribly rough to find. Took me multiple minutes in my phone to provide one from a national writer from 2-3 years ago and reply to you. it’s ok. Maybe at some point it will also both click for you where I live, and that I may also chat with folks that are engaged in football in the region and that there’s a reason I’m confidently telling you that you are missing this one while you write silly posts like praising McDermott for Brady. Joe Brady has long looked up to Sean. Joe has learned a lot about running an nfl franchise from that stop. Yes, Joe was an assistant but one that was very well spoken of by saints leadership including Sean because he did more than sit in the dungeon or make coffee. He’s often credited with things like getting bridgewater up to speed, or creating some of the taysom hill packages, for instance. There’s a reason he jumped to passing coordinator for a national championship squad: he was doing actual real work in the building and getting really positive reviews. Of course he worked under him and he probably learned a lot but I don't call anybody a protege with 2 years and zero promotions from the guy I still work in football And still have friends employed in the NFL , I am very plugged in... I do have strong opinions though don't take it personal he obviously learned from Peyton but he also learned at William and Mary and LSU and with the bills.. the William and Mary coaching connection is also huge because of how many NFL and college coaches it has produced And I'm not praising McDermott for Brady lol but I'm saying calling him a 100% Peyton protege is also weak Football trees for 40 years worked on organizational promotions and longevity two things he didn't have.. so again we could agree to disagree he certainly worked under him but he didn't get the passing game coordinator job with the saints or the quarterback coaches job or the wide receiver coaches job.. he was an NFL coach I never said he was making coffee of course he looked up to Sean Payton and did stuff.. he was also unemployed before Sean McDermott gave him a job again Edited March 10 by Buffalo716 Quote
eball Posted March 10 Author Posted March 10 (edited) @Buffalo716 I think we all understand and appreciate your loyalty to McDermott by now…but as @NoSaint points out, clearly Brady is taking his lead from how he saw Payton run the Saints. He literally hired Payton’s right hand man hours after getting the HC job. My point in starting this thread is to ask how we think the offense will change this season, because clearly Brady did not have “free rein” to do whatever he wanted. Edited March 10 by eball 2 1 1 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) 36 minutes ago, eball said: @Buffalo716 I think we all understand and appreciate your loyalty to McDermott by now…but as @NoSaint points out, clearly Brady is taking his lead from how he saw Payton run the Saints. He literally hired Payton’s right hand man hours after getting the HC job. My point in starting this thread is to ask how we think the offense will change this season, because clearly Brady did not have “free rein” to do whatever he wanted. We did have daboll become a head coach working under McDermott and our offense.. David culley had his biggest job opportunity as quarterback coach here which springboarded him to Assistant HC in Baltimore and the Texans head coaching job and he thanked McDermott Ken Dorsey even got head coaching interviews working under McDermott and the bills... And now Joe Brady went and got multiple promotions from McDermott and is now the head coach This isn't about praising McDermott.. but I would say he's always let coaches coach.. that was part of his success and failure because he even relied too much on somebody like Bobby Babbich.. but he always had the backs of his coaches and let them grow and gave them the best opportunities for promotions In my opinion we're not going to see a brand new offense come in it's going to be closer to the same.. we get better passing options we will throw a little bit more but I wouldn't expect many different concepts or schemes or something drastically different When we have consistent passing options we will pass more and we were more consistent with a balanced attack the last 2 years because we didn't have great downfield options who won consistently fast.. hence why Josh got sacked 40 times with a good offensive line We already have a multifaceted offense that already utilizes a lot of presnap motion, a good screen game, good concepts and a good run game ... If we just had another dog at wide receiver the offense would just look completely different and it's already terrific.. we could use more passing under center but we haven't had somebody who consistently wins on the outside under center for the last 2 years Go Bills! I think we already have the base of a terrific offense and our concepts are fantastic and it should only keep growing especially with a legitimate wide receiver! They're going to be building on what's been established Edited March 10 by Buffalo716 2 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 10 Posted March 10 19 minutes ago, eball said: @Buffalo716 I think we all understand and appreciate your loyalty to McDermott by now…but as @NoSaint points out, clearly Brady is taking his lead from how he saw Payton run the Saints. He literally hired Payton’s right hand man hours after getting the HC job. My point in starting this thread is to ask how we think the offense will change this season, because clearly Brady did not have “free rein” to do whatever he wanted. Under center more, less running,more attacking in the passing game. In Carmichaels time I noticed the TE was either #1 or #2 in receptions. If Kincaid can stay healthy, he will be All Pro in this scheme. Look for Moore and Kincaid to both possibly break 1000 yards as Allen throws for 4500 or so. One thing that I found interesting, their running yardage for a few years was divided among 4 RB's or so. Until Alvin Kamara came along. What's interesting is Kamara has several 800 yard seasons rushing, but also several 80 catch seasons out of the backfield as well. Can you imagine using Cook like that? Cook needs to be hitting the Jugs machine this offseason 4 1 Quote
Gregg Posted March 10 Posted March 10 A bigger question/issue is how much different will the defense be in 2026. How quickly Leonhard can build this defense up is the key to a Lombardi. Allen in the playoffs with a good defense. I like the Bills chances with that. As for the offense a new OC made add a few new concepts. With a better WR group the passing game should improve as well. Overall, this offense is still Brady's, and he already said he will call the plays. The offense will be very similar to what we have seen. It will run through 17 and 4. 1 Quote
Einstein Posted March 10 Posted March 10 10 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Basically only had a cup of coffee with Peyton too He's not some big time protege that was groomed by Sean he had a cup of coffee there in a very small role This. Brady is farrrrrrr more from McDermott’s tree than Payton’s. 1 Quote
Einstein Posted March 10 Posted March 10 9 hours ago, Big Turk said: Guess we are going to find out how much Brady was being "reined in" by McD. My guess: McDermott appropriately reigned him in. Remember when we were doing stupid stuff like TE handoffs and reverses and they never worked or resulted in a fumble and then McDermott would say in the press conference that we have to be smarter than that and then we never saw those plays again? Yeah. 1 Quote
JerseyBills Posted March 10 Posted March 10 26 minutes ago, Gregg said: A bigger question/issue is how much different will the defense be in 2026. How quickly Leonhard can build this defense up is the key to a Lombardi. Allen in the playoffs with a good defense. I like the Bills chances with that. As for the offense a new OC made add a few new concepts. With a better WR group the passing game should improve as well. Overall, this offense is still Brady's, and he already said he will call the plays. The offense will be very similar to what we have seen. It will run through 17 and 4. Exactly man can I see 1 sack from an edge in a playoff game, please? In a big moment can we get a stop? Jerry Hughes was the last 1 to get a sack, truly unacceptable and we had a bunch of playoff games 1 1 Quote
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