3rdand12 Posted March 15 Posted March 15 its an overpay if you want a guy who can keep the Ship steady ? I don't feel it. So lets just hope we never speak of him again once the season begins. Let us pray 😇 Quote
GunnerBill Posted March 15 Posted March 15 17 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I never said he wasn't. It's what Josh Allen wants, no doubt. I'm saying it is and you have to live with it. In which case we may as well shut down the board because nothing any of us lot say will sway any decision the team makes! 1 Quote
The Frankish Reich Posted March 15 Posted March 15 I am not about to worry about backup QBs. If Josh misses more than about 3 games, we're toast regardless of who the backup may be. Quote
ColoradoBills Posted March 15 Posted March 15 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: In which case we may as well shut down the board because nothing any of us lot say will sway any decision the team makes! Come on. You think this is Beane's decision? Or even Brady. It's Josh, and not much to discuss because of that. Quote
3rdand12 Posted March 15 Posted March 15 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: In which case we may as well shut down the board because nothing any of us lot say will sway any decision the team makes! Wait a minute then ! We most certainly do ! Very influential on Beanes thinking. Are we. 🧐 1 Quote
Fan in Chicago Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: In which case we may as well shut down the board because nothing any of us lot say will sway any decision the team makes! I hear you but sometimes I have wondered if the front brass doesn't monitor this board 2 Quote
GunnerBill Posted March 15 Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: I hear you but sometimes I have wondered if the front brass doesn't monitor this board Brandon Beane is free to DM me if he does 😆 2 Quote
13 Seconds to Mars Posted March 16 Posted March 16 3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: I think it's an overpay. And I think he kinda sucks. But he might be a hell of an asset in the QBs room and game day on the tablet etc. As with any back up QB ( poor fellows that they are ) lol , The team hopes he never has to play I think they also like guys that Josh is good friends with. Matt Barkley and him I know are extremely close. Kyle Allen’s been here before, it’s familiar. I think it was the same mentality for the coaching hire as well. It’s not a bad thing. 1 Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted March 16 Posted March 16 On 3/9/2026 at 4:50 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: Sam Darnold, Kyle Allen, me, and Brian Daboll. On 3/9/2026 at 4:52 PM, Kirby Jackson said: Christian Kirk too (who I think was Kyle Allen’s college roommate or something) On 3/9/2026 at 4:52 PM, BillsFanForever19 said: Davis Webb, Christian Kirk, Dawson Knox Matt Barkley, Logan Wilson, Jacob Hollister, Stephen Hauschka... Quote
GoBills! Posted March 16 Posted March 16 I wanted Winston if we are going down do it like Fitzpatrick, 320 yards 3 TDS and 2 INTS. 1 Quote
Captain Hindsight Posted March 16 Posted March 16 15 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: its an overpay if you want a guy who can keep the Ship steady ? I don't feel it. So lets just hope we never speak of him again once the season begins. Let us pray 😇 My mom asked me if Kyle Allen was any good. I said its better if we never have to find out 1 2 Quote
billsfan89 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 Kyle Allen is not a great backup QB option. Not tragic as he’s got 19 starts under his belt and he’s been around the league while. But he’s got a firm losing record in those starts with less than inspiring stats but some experience starting is better than none. Bills simply don’t have the cap space to spend on backup QB so they have to just go with whose there Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted March 16 Posted March 16 16 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I am not about to worry about backup QBs. If Josh misses more than about 3 games, we're toast regardless of who the backup may be. I always hear that argument but the AFCE stinks. I believe the Pats ceiling is 10 wins. Let’s say Josh misses 4 games. Can Kyle Allen be 2-2? Could Jameis (for example) be 3-1? How big is it at the end of the year if you are 13-4 instead of 12-5? It’s potentially a massive swing. The Bills aren’t winning the Super Bowl without Josh but could that stretch without him change seeding or even a playoff spot?? To me, there was zero reason to go with Kyle Allen other than he’s Josh’s friend. He stinks. I’d rather role with Buechele and a late round rookie because I don’t think that the results change. With Mitch, your floor was much higher but you couldn’t pay him that. Could you have waited through the summer and gone after a Jameis or even Russell Wilson? Tyrod? Wentz? Jimmy G? Kyle Allen is definitely worse than all of them. Why you’re making sure to get that guy under contract at the beginning of FA is beyond me. If you added him in July, sure. He should have been your last resort not a priority. 2 Quote
boater Posted March 16 Posted March 16 I knew losing Trubisky was going to lead to a downgrade. Oh well. Most NFL teams have a crappy backup situation anyways. Now we're in that crowd. Quote
NoSaint Posted March 16 Posted March 16 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I always hear that argument but the AFCE stinks. I believe the Pats ceiling is 10 wins. Let’s say Josh misses 4 games. Can Kyle Allen be 2-2? Could Jameis (for example) be 3-1? How big is it at the end of the year if you are 13-4 instead of 12-5? It’s potentially a massive swing. The Bills aren’t winning the Super Bowl without Josh but could that stretch without him change seeding or even a playoff spot?? To me, there was zero reason to go with Kyle Allen other than he’s Josh’s friend. He stinks. I’d rather role with Buechele and a late round rookie because I don’t think that the results change. With Mitch, your floor was much higher but you couldn’t pay him that. Could you have waited through the summer and gone after a Jameis or even Russell Wilson? Tyrod? Wentz? Jimmy G? Kyle Allen is definitely worse than all of them. Why you’re making sure to get that guy under contract at the beginning of FA is beyond me. If you added him in July, sure. He should have been your last resort not a priority. and I’ll say dollars don’t irk me but that it’s locked in with a year guaranteed is rough in that you don’t know what might land in your lap but you’ve committed to be at the floor instead of simply setting a floor 2 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) 37 minutes ago, NoSaint said: and I’ll say dollars don’t irk me but that it’s locked in with a year guaranteed is rough in that you don’t know what might land in your lap but you’ve committed to be at the floor instead of simply setting a floor It’s the process that I have a problem with. Locking into Kyle Allen to start FA is wild. Clearly Josh is flexing his power more this offseason. There’s no other way to interpret it other than, “Josh wanted this.” That I’m okay with. I suppose I’m talking out of both sides of my mouth a little. I just wish that it could have been something like, “here’s a list of guys that we’d like to get as QB2. If we are not successful at our number, we will bring back Kyle. We’ve asked his agent to not sign anything without speaking to us first. Is that good by you?” I doubt that he would have pushed back on that but who knows. Edited March 16 by Kirby Jackson Quote
SoMAn Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) On 3/9/2026 at 7:47 PM, jkeerie said: Tasker talks all the time about how the most important thing your backup QB does is to assist in the QB room. This is especially true for the star QBs like Allen, Mahomes etc. If those guys go down, your season's cooked anyways. I don't buy the argument that if Allen goes out, then the Bills' season is effectively over. Whoever the backup is, they have thrown a football before. They've managed to make the roster. Hopefully, they're more than just a warm body. Frequently the backup makes up for physical limitations with smarts. Maybe that's why so many backups end up in the coaching ranks once they playing days are over. There are plenty of stories in which a backups stepped up and were able to get it done. Frank Reich held down the fort for 3 playoff games to get the Bills to a super bowl. Earl Morrall filled in for Bob Griese for most of the Dolphins perfect season, winning 9 regular season games and the first two playoff games in 1972. The Bills lost their first super bowl to Giants' backup QB Jeff Hostetler . Backup QB Nick Foles won a super bowl more recently with the Eagles. Just because Josh is an elite QB doesn't necessarily mean the team can't pull together and get it done with his understudy. They may have to change the offensive approach somewhat to adapt to a different style of play. But, the Bills still have a top tier O-line, very good TEs, and a RB who just led the league in rushing, and a few decent receivers. If Josh is the only reason the Bills have a chance to succeed, you must have very little confidence in the rest of the team. Do they have a better chance with Josh? Of course. But I don't think we tank or forfeit the entire season if a backup has to step in. Edited March 16 by SoMAn Quote
dorquemada Posted March 16 Posted March 16 There's just not that many human beings that can play QB at the NFL level and virtually all of them are under contract to play Quote
vtnatefootball11 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 3 minutes ago, SoMAn said: I don't buy the argument that if Allen goes out, then the Bills' season is effectively over. Whoever the backup is, they have thrown a football before. They've managed to make the roster. Hopefully, they're more than just a warm body. Frequently the backup makes up for physical limitations with smarts. Maybe that's why so many backups end up in the coaching ranks once they playing days are over. There are plenty of stories in which a backups stepped up and were able to get it done. Frank Reich held down the fort for 3 playoff games to get the Bills to a super bowl. Earl Morrall filled in for Bob Griese for most of the Dolphins perfect season, winning 9 regular season games and the first two playoff games in 1972. The Bills lost their first super bowl to Giants' backup QB Jeff Hostetler . Backup QB Nick Foles won a super bowl more recently with the Eagles. Just because Josh is an elite QB doesn't necessarily mean the team can't pull together and get it done with his understudy. They may have to change the offensive approach somewhat to adapt to a different style of play. But, the Bills still have a top tier O-line, very good TEs, and a RB who just led the league in rushing, and a few decent receivers. If Josh is the only reason the Bills have a chance to succeed, you must have very little confidence in the rest of the team. Do they have a better chance with Josh? Of course. But I don't think we tank or forfeit the entire season if a backup has to step in. I'm sorry my man but if you think the Bills have even the slightest shot at the superbowl without Josh you are delusional. None of those examples you named were even remotely as dependent on their QB as we are with Josh. In fact, you are making the very argument that so many of us have been pounding the table about for years, and that is this roster lacks star power outside of Josh!!! He needs help. We don't have any elite playmakers on either side of the ball, it's all on Josh, always. Quote
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