ganesh Posted March 8 Posted March 8 Was watching Allens 39 TDs in the season and there was that moment when he got past Newton's 75 TDs to be the QB with the most rushing TD. He finished the regular season with 79 Rushing TDs. I looked at the all time Rushing TD Leaderboard - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_td_career.htm Today he is in the Top-25 in all-time Rushing TDs. With SIX TD in 2026, Allen will be in the Top 15 With TWELVE TD in 2026, Allen will be in the Top 11 He needs 21 Rushing TDs to reach 100 and the Top-10 leaderboard. Considering all three are do-able by him in 2026 and 2027 season, this is an amazing statistics. Of course, getting in to Top-5 is going to be quite a while as he needs to get 41 TDs to enter that league. 2 8 Quote
sven233 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 If Allen stays healthy, and he wants to play for the next decade plus, he will shatter so many scoring records. Not a doubt in my mind that if he wants to, he will be the NFL's all time leading scorer and it won't even be close. He could also do the same for total yards as well. It's really up to him and how much history he wants to write. Win a Super Bowl (or God forbid.....even 2), and he will go down as one of the all time greats. 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 8 Posted March 8 I want to see more PASSING TD's. With his skillset he needs to hit about 40 a season. As for the running, did you see all his injuries this year? The Running needs to be dialed down a lot. If the play isn't there throw it away, don't run 30 yards backwards and break your foot. 5 1 1 Quote
ToGoGo Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I want to see more PASSING TD's. With his skillset he needs to hit about 40 a season. As for the running, did you see all his injuries this year? The Running needs to be dialed down a lot. If the play isn't there throw it away, don't run 30 yards backwards and break your foot. Precisely why Brady is coach and Beane swung on Moore. It’s going to happen over the coming years. But considering they’re not removing the tush push, and only us and the Eagles benefit, no reason to stop those either. Edited March 8 by ToGoGo Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 8 Posted March 8 2 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Precisely why Brady is coach and Beane swung on Moore. It’s going to happen over the coming years. But considering they’re not removing the tush push, and only us and the Eagles benefit, no reason to stop those either. He never seems to get hurt on that play, so I am good with it. But everyone forgets Carmichael will be drawing up the game plan. From here on out, look for an offense more like what Sean Peyton ran with Drew Brees in New Orleans, but with a better RB and a stronger armed QB. I would LOVE if Allen can get closer to Brees' Completion % Quote
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 8 Posted March 8 9 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I want to see more PASSING TD's. With his skillset he needs to hit about 40 a season. As for the running, did you see all his injuries this year? The Running needs to be dialed down a lot. If the play isn't there throw it away, don't run 30 yards backwards and break your foot. that's just Allen being a bozo. Way too many times last year Allen took 15+ yard sacks. It was like watching Allen from his first three seasons in the league. We need 2024 Allen to come back. That Allen had career low rushing attempts per game and still had 12 rushing TD's on the season. The tush push has taken Allen's floor on rushing TD's from around 7-8 to 10-12. Under Brady, his passing TD's have plummeted. And they were tailing off even before Brady. He's thrown fewer TD's than the season prior dating back to 2020 when he had his career high of 37. If the Bills continue to be a balanced team, I'm not holding my breath for 30+ passing TD's. 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: that's just Allen being a bozo. Way too many times last year Allen took 15+ yard sacks. It was like watching Allen from his first three seasons in the league. We need 2024 Allen to come back. That Allen had career low rushing attempts per game and still had 12 rushing TD's on the season. The tush push has taken Allen's floor on rushing TD's from around 7-8 to 10-12. Under Brady, his passing TD's have plummeted. And they were tailing off even before Brady. He's thrown fewer TD's than the season prior dating back to 2020 when he had his career high of 37. If the Bills continue to be a balanced team, I'm not holding my breath for 30+ passing TD's. I think it depends on wide receiver Brady in 2006 had almost identical numbers. They gave Brady 3 new wrs and it was the greatest season ever from a QB. Allen needs 1 more legitimate deep threat. In fa or the draft Edited March 8 by Kelly to Allen Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 8 Posted March 8 41 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: that's just Allen being a bozo. Way too many times last year Allen took 15+ yard sacks. It was like watching Allen from his first three seasons in the league. We need 2024 Allen to come back. That Allen had career low rushing attempts per game and still had 12 rushing TD's on the season. The tush push has taken Allen's floor on rushing TD's from around 7-8 to 10-12. Under Brady, his passing TD's have plummeted. And they were tailing off even before Brady. He's thrown fewer TD's than the season prior dating back to 2020 when he had his career high of 37. If the Bills continue to be a balanced team, I'm not holding my breath for 30+ passing TD's. Look at Carmichaels / Peytons offense in NO. They run the ball, but the passing game is key. I think the whole balance thing was McDermott and a lack of WR's. You have the best QB in football,and Brady said we are building the team around him. Quote
13 Seconds to Mars Posted March 8 Posted March 8 3 hours ago, ganesh said: Was watching Allens 39 TDs in the season and there was that moment when he got past Newton's 75 TDs to be the QB with the most rushing TD. He finished the regular season with 79 Rushing TDs. I looked at the all time Rushing TD Leaderboard - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_td_career.htm Today he is in the Top-25 in all-time Rushing TDs. With SIX TD in 2026, Allen will be in the Top 15 With TWELVE TD in 2026, Allen will be in the Top 11 He needs 21 Rushing TDs to reach 100 and the Top-10 leaderboard. Considering all three are do-able by him in 2026 and 2027 season, this is an amazing statistics. Of course, getting in to Top-5 is going to be quite a while as he needs to get 41 TDs to enter that league. Allen will most certainly hit the top 5. He could easily get those 41 TDs in 3 years. He doesn’t look like he is slowing down at all. 30 isn’t what it once was. Quote
Comebackkid Posted March 8 Posted March 8 48 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: that's just Allen being a bozo. Way too many times last year Allen took 15+ yard sacks. It was like watching Allen from his first three seasons in the league. We need 2024 Allen to come back. That Allen had career low rushing attempts per game and still had 12 rushing TD's on the season. The tush push has taken Allen's floor on rushing TD's from around 7-8 to 10-12. Under Brady, his passing TD's have plummeted. And they were tailing off even before Brady. He's thrown fewer TD's than the season prior dating back to 2020 when he had his career high of 37. If the Bills continue to be a balanced team, I'm not holding my breath for 30+ passing TD's. our endzone play calling...anything within the 20 was horrid last year. Quote
folz Posted March 8 Posted March 8 If Josh were to maintain his average number of passing TDs (27.5) and rushing TDs (9.88) per season, then... He would become Top 10 in rushing TDs in 2.13 seasons. He would become Top 5 in rushing TDs in 4.25 seasons He could actually be number one in rushing TDs in 8.7 season (it is crazy that this is actually even possible---to pass Emmitt---but may not happen because I'm sure his rushing TDs will lessen per season as his career goes on. But crazy that it is even on the table). He would become Top 10 in passing TDs in 5.89 seasons He would become Top 5 in passing TDs in 10.5 seasons It would take him 15.6 seasons to pass Brady for first place (unlikely) But yes, Josh has a legitimate shot at ending his career top 5 in both passing TDs and rushing TDs. That is absolutely unheard of. The closest to do it is Cam Newton who ended up 27th in rushing TDs and 61st in passing TDs. I believe Otto Graham would currently be second being 72nd in passing TDs and 115th in rushing TDs. Jalen Hurts is in the game also, currently 53rd in rushing TDs and 140th in passing TDs (Hurts could wind up passing Josh in rushing TDs if he has a long career, but he won't catch Josh in passing TDs). We honestly are watching history happen right before our eyes with Josh. 1 Quote
Shaw66 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 I thought this thread was going to be about total TDs, passing and rushing. I asked AI to give me the top 20. Josh is 19 on the list at 299. The active QBs on the list are Cousins (15th at 318), Russell Wilson(11th at 384), and Stafford (6th at 438). With 40 total TDs in 2026, Allen would move up to 14 or 15, passing Elway, Unitas, and Moon. With 40 TDs for each of the next three seasons, he'd move up to 7th, passing Tarkenton, Marino, and Ben. With 40 TDs for each of the next five seasons, he won't move up at all, still looking at Stafford (barring a quick end to his career) ahead of him. He'd be at 499, behind Brady (677), Brees (596), Rodgers (563), Peyton (557), and Favre (522). 40 TDs for seven seasons gets ahead of everyone except Brady and Brees. He needs ten good seasons to pass Brady. Can't predict that he'll do it, but it's certainly possible. He's likely to have two or three 50-TD seasons. 1 Quote
sven233 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 28 minutes ago, folz said: If Josh were to maintain his average number of passing TDs (27.5) and rushing TDs (9.88) per season, then... He would become Top 10 in rushing TDs in 2.13 seasons. He would become Top 5 in rushing TDs in 4.25 seasons He could actually be number one in rushing TDs in 8.7 season (it is crazy that this is actually even possible---to pass Emmitt---but may not happen because I'm sure his rushing TDs will lessen per season as his career goes on. But crazy that it is even on the table). He would become Top 10 in passing TDs in 5.89 seasons He would become Top 5 in passing TDs in 10.5 seasons It would take him 15.6 seasons to pass Brady for first place (unlikely) But yes, Josh has a legitimate shot at ending his career top 5 in both passing TDs and rushing TDs. That is absolutely unheard of. The closest to do it is Cam Newton who ended up 27th in rushing TDs and 61st in passing TDs. I believe Otto Graham would currently be second being 72nd in passing TDs and 115th in rushing TDs. Jalen Hurts is in the game also, currently 53rd in rushing TDs and 140th in passing TDs (Hurts could wind up passing Josh in rushing TDs if he has a long career, but he won't catch Josh in passing TDs). We honestly are watching history happen right before our eyes with Josh. TOTAL TDS Looking at total TDs, Brady leads the way with 677 in 335 games played (2.02/game). As of this moment, Allen has 301 TDs in 128 games (2.35/game). To this point in his career, Allen is scoring at a rate that has never been seen in the history of the NFL. He is already 19th all time and, with another 40+ TD season this year, will move passed Elway for 14th all time already. So yeah.....if Allen stays healthy and wants to play as long as possible, he can set a new standard. Based on averages, Allen would need to play another 9-10 years to pass Brady for the all time lead. It's a long time to play, obviously, but if he does and stays healthy and productive, he absolutely can get there. TOTAL YARDS Brady has 90,402 in 335 games played (269.8/game) Allen has 34,842 in 128 games played (272.2/game) This one may not be as easy to get to because Allen has relied on his legs a lot more than Brady has to this point in his career. That said, as Allen gets older, I expect his passing yards to increase while his rush yards decrease. But we are hopefully 5 years away at least from that changing substantially. It's not like Allen has a ton of designed runs called per game. He gets most of his rush yards on scrambles so, providing he stays healthy, he's probably good to keep his rush yardage total about where it has been at least for another 5 years or so. Hopefully much longer! So, all that said, history awaits Allen. If he stays healthy and wants to play another decade, he'll have the opportunity to rewrite the record books as much as he wants to. We just got to get this man a couple of Super Bowls to round out his all time resumé. 2 Quote
Chicken Boo Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) 4 hours ago, sven233 said: Not a doubt in my mind that if he wants to, he will be the NFL's all time leading scorer and it won't even be close. Not a chance. For example, Steve Christie is 28th in all-time scoring. Jerry Rice is 45th. Edit* I'm actually not sure how they incorporate QBs in all-time scoring? Edited March 8 by Chicken Boo Quote
folz Posted March 8 Posted March 8 4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Not a chance. For example, Steve Christie is 28th in all-time scoring. Jerry Rice is 45th. Edit* I'm actually not sure how they incorporate QBs in all-time scoring? Per AI: Quarterbacks are generally excluded from all-time NFL scoring lists because "points scored" in official statistics only credits the player who physically scores the touchdown (receiver or runner) or kicks the ball (kickers). While QBs earn "passing touchdowns" for throwing the ball, these are tracked separately from "total points scored" to avoid double-counting the six points for a single touchdown. Adam Vinatieri has the most points scored all-time with 2,673 points. If QBs were included in scoring, Josh would currently be at 1,806 points. He'd pass Vinatieri in 4 seasons. But, of course that is not how total points scored works and doesn't include other QBs. For instance, Tom Brady scored 4,062 points. So, untechnically, Josh would still need 10 seasons to catch Brady (at Josh's current pace), but of course, that would not be an official stat. 1 Quote
Chicken Boo Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, folz said: Per AI: Quarterbacks are generally excluded from all-time NFL scoring lists because "points scored" in official statistics only credits the player who physically scores the touchdown (receiver or runner) or kicks the ball (kickers). While QBs earn "passing touchdowns" for throwing the ball, these are tracked separately from "total points scored" to avoid double-counting the six points for a single touchdown. Adam Vinatieri has the most points scored all-time with 2,673 points. If QBs were included in scoring, Josh would currently be at 1,806 points. He'd pass Vinatieri in 4 seasons. But, of course that is not how total points scored works and doesn't include other QBs. For instance, Tom Brady scored 4,062 points. So, untechnically, Josh would still need 10 seasons to catch Brady (at Josh's current pace), but of course, that would not be an official stat. I gather, they credit the person who actually crosses the goal line, or put the ball through the crossbar. Makes sense. Edited March 8 by Chicken Boo 1 Quote
folz Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) Another note: Aaron Rodgers holds the record for the most NFL seasons with 40+ total TDs with six seasons (out of 21 seasons). Josh has five 40+ total TD seasons (in 8 years) and was only one TD away from tying the record last season (he had 39 total TDs last year). Brady did it 4 times, Brees and Mahomes have done it 3 times, P. Manning, Marino, and Lamar Jackson twice, and Cam Newton once---for context. [Obviously I didn't look up all QBs, just a handful for reference.] Josh has already done it in the most consecutive seasons though (5 times). Brees would be second on that list with 3 consecutive seasons of 40+ TDs. No one else has had more than two consecutive years with 40+ total TDs. Edited March 8 by folz 1 Quote
machine gun kelly Posted March 8 Posted March 8 8 hours ago, ganesh said: Was watching Allens 39 TDs in the season and there was that moment when he got past Newton's 75 TDs to be the QB with the most rushing TD. He finished the regular season with 79 Rushing TDs. I looked at the all time Rushing TD Leaderboard - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_td_career.htm Today he is in the Top-25 in all-time Rushing TDs. With SIX TD in 2026, Allen will be in the Top 15 With TWELVE TD in 2026, Allen will be in the Top 11 He needs 21 Rushing TDs to reach 100 and the Top-10 leaderboard. Considering all three are do-able by him in 2026 and 2027 season, this is an amazing statistics. Of course, getting in to Top-5 is going to be quite a while as he needs to get 41 TDs to enter that league. First, Ganesh, thank you for this research. A nice read on a boring Sunday for us. My wife is working so watching old movies and reading these things. For those that think he is hanging it up in three years is nuts. He’s not declining at all. He may become more of a pocket passer in 5 years, but that doesn’t mean he won’t still add a couple of rushing TDs even in his late 30’s. I conservatively think heel be around at least until 38-39, and probably longer the way they protect QBs now. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) 5 hours ago, ToGoGo said: Precisely why Brady is coach and Beane swung on Moore. It’s going to happen over the coming years. But considering they’re not removing the tush push, and only us and the Eagles benefit, no reason to stop those either. McDermott certainly wanted Josh Allen running less and Brady still called running plays for Josh Allen Joe Brady certainly likes Josh Allen running the ball Everybody seems to forget when the bills were throwing the ball all over the yard with Josh Allen early in his career so McDermott was clearly okay with that... People say we ran more because of McDermott well guess what we used to throw a lot too so that must have also been because McDermott He does what he thinks is best to win the game and guess what the last two years we didn't have wide receivers to throw 40 times a game and win consistently but we did have a team to be balanced and control games We were a throwing team and a running team under Sean McDermott he literally changed a lot depending on the team Guess what we used to have John Brown and Beasley and digs and Emmanuel Sanders and we were willing to throw they were never adequately replaced and we have a good running back so we started running more That actually sounds smart to me Brady was calling the plays of our offense which ran the ball for the last 2 years it's not going to just turn into an air raid next year Edited March 8 by Buffalo716 Quote
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