Big Blitz Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Been reading about this for months. The conspiracy is that it was deliberate. Followed by a deliberate push of rap hip hop and overall trash. Billy Corgan believes it: 3 1
Metal Man Posted March 2 Posted March 2 There could be something to this. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 among other things also got rid of corporate ownership caps on radio stations. This led to a ton of corporate consolidation so it certainly seems feasible that certain music trends could be pushed on the masses for whatever reasons. 2
Rupert Posted March 2 Posted March 2 It was Yoko! We would still have rock -n- roll if it wasn't for her 1
Roundybout Posted March 2 Posted March 2 @Roundybout says Big Band Swing didn’t just fade, it was pushed out of mainstream culture. Speaking with Conrad Flynn on The Magnificent Others Podcast, he recalled a late‑’40s shift where radio “suddenly decided swing was out” even though the genre was still huge. 2 3 2
SCBills Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) It’s hard to even think of a mainstream new’ish rock band with mass appeal. The 1975, maybe? Djo had a song that went mainstream, but he’s an indie guy who’s song got big because he’s Steve from Stranger Things. The heavier stuff has popularity but is certainly not mainstream. I saw Sleep Token in Atlanta, and the tickets were insane.. but it’s also due to not playing Mercedes Benz Stadium, instead a tier 2 level event center. Festivals are massive with bands like Bad Omens, Motionless in White etc.. Heavier stuff like Lorna Shore and Slaughter to Prevail etc.. But yea.. while certainly having popularity, I struggle to think of any mainstream rock. The Limp Bizkit/Nu Metal theory is similar to what Coorgan is saying in a white nationalist type of way… Edited March 2 by SCBills 1
Roundybout Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Just now, SCBills said: It’s hard to even think of a mainstream new’ish rock band with mass appeal. The 1975, maybe? Djo had a song that went mainstream, but he’s an indie guy who’s song got big because he’s Steve from Stranger Things. The heavier stuff has popularity but is certainly not mainstream. I saw Sleep Token in Atlanta, and the tickets were insane.. but it’s also due to not playing Mercedes Benz Stadium, instead a tier 2 level event center. Festivals are massive with bands like Bad Omens, Motionless in White etc.. Heavier stuff like Lorna Shore and Slaughter to Prevail etc.. But yea.. while certainly having popularity, I struggle to think of any mainstream rock. The Black Keys had some hits too.
SCBills Posted March 2 Posted March 2 4 minutes ago, Roundybout said: The Black Keys had some hits too. True.. and White Stripes - Seven Nation Army certainly broke through the mainstream with it being played at stadiums/arenas around the country. But still.. you have to seriously rack your brain to find rock songs like that in the past decade. The mainstream is all rap, pop and country.
Andy1 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 I think it’s just kids never want to listen to what their parents like. That rebellion is what Rock is all about. Except now they listen to trash, which is what every older generation says about younger generations. Retro is getting cool though so maybe a Rock resurrection is in the future. 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted March 2 Posted March 2 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: True.. and White Stripes - Seven Nation Army certainly broke through the mainstream with it being played at stadiums/arenas around the country. But still.. you have to seriously rack your brain to find rock songs like that in the past decade. The mainstream is all rap, pop and country. You mean rap pop country? It's a new genre And it sucks 2
Roundybout Posted March 2 Posted March 2 6 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: You mean rap pop country? It's a new genre And it sucks Morgan Wallen makes my ears bleed 1
SCBills Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Andy1 said: I think it’s just kids never want to listen to what their parents like. That rebellion is what Rock is all about. Except now they listen to trash, which is what every older generation says about younger generations. Retro is getting cool though so maybe a Rock resurrection is in the future. Im not gonna lie, I think some of this stuff is with purpose. Someone like Sexyy Red has zero talent, yet blew up and was pushed all over the airwaves. Her music is degenerate, low IQ filth .. and I say that where some songs of hers I don’t hate, but recognize it for what it is. Music like hers, Cardi B etc aimed at young black women. Sabrina Carpenter aimed at young white girls. Because every dad wants to take their 10 year old daughter to a concert about sex where the singer gets Eiffel Towered on stage. My favorite artist is Miguel, so I’m not one to talk about sexual music.. but he isn’t marketed at children. Edited March 2 by SCBills 1
yall Posted March 2 Posted March 2 3 hours ago, Metal Man said: There could be something to this. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 among other things also got rid of corporate ownership caps on radio stations. This led to a ton of corporate consolidation so it certainly seems feasible that certain music trends could be pushed on the masses for whatever reasons. Cheaper to pay one artist who's entire touring rig is an iPod plugged into a PA than it is a band. 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) I'd argue that much of Billy Strings' stuff is rock. Yes, he's in the country music hall of fame (youngest ever). But the show I saw last year in Nashville was almost entirely psychedelic, grateful dead like music. I actually prefer his bluegrass. No one is forcing rock out. To some extent, artists and especially their corporate backers will do whatever makes them the most money https://www.wideopencountry.com/billy-strings-songs/ Edited March 2 by Joe Ferguson forever
JFKjr Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Andy1 said: I think it’s just kids never want to listen to what their parents like. That rebellion is what Rock is all about. Except now they listen to trash, which is what every older generation says about younger generations. Retro is getting cool though so maybe a Rock resurrection is in the future. My kids (Gen Z, early to mid-20s) listen to some newer stuff (Post Malone comes to mind), but Kid #1 has a huge playlist of classic rock and is always asking for more suggestions. Kid #2 is a jazz guy. It's not painful riding in the car with either one of them! 2
Rupert Posted March 2 Posted March 2 When the British invasion happened how many choices of music platforms did they have? Radio, records, some tv, etc, but not alot. Record companies, radio stations and small number of executives controlled everything. Now there is so much more choice it seems and so many more types of music
The Frankish Reich Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I'd argue that much of Billy Strings' stuff is rock. Yes, he's in the country music hall of fame (youngest ever). But the show I saw last year in Nashville was almost entirely psychedelic, grateful dead like music. I actually prefer his bluegrass. No one is forcing rock out. To some extent, artists and especially their corporate backers will do whatever makes them the most money https://www.wideopencountry.com/billy-strings-songs/ True. Mainstream country today is mainstream rock, delivered with a faux country twang. It is white non urban pop music. 1
Big Blitz Posted March 2 Author Posted March 2 Rock still existed side by side in the 80s with the rise of Pop - specifically Michael Jackson and everyone influenced by him. The rise of rap and hip hop by the early 90s. Rock evolved like it always does. But they all coexisted none felt like it was deliberately being forced or pushed aside. What’s happened over the last 5-10 years with music is largely terrible and all of it sounds the same. What music “defines” the 20 teens and 2020s? Can we even say? Taylor Swift? She’s no doubt its biggest name. 1
SCBills Posted March 2 Posted March 2 There’s still gems.. this might be one of the greatest rock songs I’ve ever heard in my life and it came out last year. Reminiscent of another era. 1
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