The Bills New Direction? Joe Marino shares his evaluation on the coaching staff

[Chandler#81]

I’m buying in -cuz I HAVE too!

 

[PromoTheRobot]

Joe Marino is my favorite Bills podcast host because he applies some football knowledge in his opinions. The rest of them feel like fans spouting hot takes. The Baker-Fairburn podcast with Kris Baker of Sabres Prospects and Matthew Fairburn of the Athletic are the Sabres podcast equivalent.

[mushypeaches]

I have hope that our coaching staff will be better simply through not being micro-managed by Sean McDermott

 

Here's a guy with a 9 year tenure in one spot and a .600 winning percentage - basically has a coaching tree that resembles a withered ball of roots left out all winter

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Joe Marino is my favorite Bills podcast host because he applies some football knowledge in his opinions. The rest of them feel like fans spouting hot takes. The Baker-Fairburn podcast with Kris Baker of Sabres Prospects and Matthew Fairburn of the Athletic are the Sabres podcast equivalent.

I have come around to the same view on Marino. Just wish his podcast had a dedicated co-host— the solo format is a little awkward. 

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I have come around to the same view on Marino. Just wish his podcast had a dedicated co-host— the solo format is a little awkward. 

 

He does do "Bills Squad" with Jeremy White and forever Books OL Jerry Ostrowski twice a week. Ostrowski is great because he brings a lot of actual experience being in the NFL.

Edited February 16 by PromoTheRobot

[Mister Defense]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Joe Marino is my favorite Bills podcast host because he applies some football knowledge in his opinions. The rest of them feel like fans spouting hot takes. The Baker-Fairburn podcast with Kris Baker of Sabres Prospects and Matthew Fairburn of the Athletic are the Sabres podcast equivalent.

 

 He is okay, a little too definitive in his takes, stated as if he is a sage sometime.

 

I prefer Shout, as Parino and Talbot are both solid Bills' beat writers who write good, clear, short  analysis on Bills' topics in their articles.  And they tend to do the same in their podcast. 

 

I like that they are not super assertive in their opinions, not indicating that their takes are gospel, but their views based on the evidence at hand. More realistic way to  present things. 

 

I like Marino much better when he has others on his show. He is much easier to listen to when engaged in conversations rather than just touting his opinions. He needs a cohost on his podcast.

 

 

[Rubes]

23 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

He does do "Bills Squad" with Jeremy White and forever Books OL Joe Ostrowski twice a week. Ostrowski is great because he brings a lot of actual experience being in the NFL.

 

Agree, that's a nice addition to Marino's work when I'm interested in hearing more than just his opinion. Ostrowski has an interesting perspective on things.

 

[Sharky7337]

I like Joe's work but since he basically collaborates with the same people they all now parrot the same takes and how he reacted right after the McDermott firing was really questionable 

Edited February 16 by Sharky7337

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, Mister Defense said:

 

 He is okay, a little too definitive in his takes, stated as if he is a sage sometime.

 

I prefer Shout, as Parino and Talbot are both solid Bills' beat writers who write good, clear, short  analysis on Bills' topics in their articles.  And they tend to do the same in their podcast. 

 

I like that they are not super assertive in their opinions, not indicating that their takes are gospel, but their views based on the evidence at hand. More realistic way to  present things. 

 

I like Marino much better when he has others on his show. He is much easier to listen to when engaged in conversations rather than just touting his opinions. He needs a cohost on his podcast.

 

 

Interesting. I truly can’t stand them. Talbot is mildly acceptable but Parino is a total d-bag and s#!+ stirrer. Pompous, arrogant & self-serving. I’ve seen enough to know that I won’t tune back in ever again. 

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I have come around to the same view on Marino. Just wish his podcast had a dedicated co-host— the solo format is a little awkward. 

Again, it’s by design from Locked On. Every team has a single noted podcaster that occasionally has a guest.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

He does do "Bills Squad" with Jeremy White and forever Books OL Joe Ostrowski twice a week. Ostrowski is great because he brings a lot of actual experience being in the NFL.

Honestly, Ostrowski is the weak link.  You can tell he really doesn’t follow the league very closely anymore, although as a former player he has some interesting insights.  

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I have come around to the same view on Marino. Just wish his podcast had a dedicated co-host— the solo format is a little awkward. 

His formula is collecting statistics (game, financial and personal)  about the team(s) or the player(s) and then building a narrative around it.  It appears a working formula for him.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

He does do "Bills Squad" with Jeremy White and forever Books OL Joe Ostrowski twice a week. Ostrowski is great because he brings a lot of actual experience being in the NFL.

Jerry...Jerry Ostroski. 😁

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Jerry...Jerry Ostroski. 😁

Your right, 🤪

[Billy Claude]

4 hours ago, mushypeaches said:

I have hope that our coaching staff will be better simply through not being micro-managed by Sean McDermott

 

Here's a guy with a 9 year tenure in one spot and a .600 winning percentage - basically has a coaching tree that resembles a withered ball of roots left out all winter

 

If you do a apple to apple comparison and restrict the discussion to coaches that were in the staff  over the last nine years, McDermott 's tree is better than Andy Reid's.  Obviously there are many head coaches on Reid's tree but they were all in Reid's staff before 2017. So McDermott has two head coaches on his tree and Reid has none during that time period. Nagy would have been closest but he doesn't count since he was hired by the Bears in 2017.

Edited February 16 by Billy Claude

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, Billy Claude said:

 

If you do a apple to apple comparison and restrict the discussion to coaches that were in the staff  over the last nine years, McDermott 's tree is better than Andy Reid's.  Obviously there are many head coaches on Reid's tree but outside of Nagy they were all with Reid before 2017.  So McDermott has two head coaches on his tree and Reid has none.  Nagy would have been closest but he doesn't count since he was hired by the Bears in 2017.

That's not the discussion. Who are the coaches that spread McD's DNA. None have. As is also largely the case with Reid. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

He does do "Bills Squad" with Jeremy White and forever Books OL Jerry Ostrowski twice a week. Ostrowski is great because he brings a lot of actual experience being in the NFL.

i do prefer the bills squad episodes. 
 

but format generally, i have listened to some podcasts where there is a “co-host” who talks maybe like 5% of the time and is there to just fill a few spaces and set up the host. I think the Locked On podcasts can use someone like that.

[DJB]

I’m fine with Marino but he needs to avoid any draft takes 

 

He’s usually pretty brutal in that area 

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, DJB said:

I’m fine with Marino but he needs to avoid any draft takes 

 

He’s usually pretty brutal in that area 

Examples?  I know Marino hated the Deion Walker pick, but I don’t think his miss rate is worse than anyone else in the space.  (He hated the Josh Allen pick, but I think the statute of limitations has expired on that one.)  He puts a lot of work into the draft.

[Billy Claude]

12 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

That's not the discussion. Who are the coaches that spread McD's DNA. None have. As is also largely the case with Reid. 

 

The original post implied that McDermott's coaching tree is extremely small.   Obviously it is not McVay or Shanahan but if you restrict it to coaches who were on their respective staff over the last 9 years before being hired as head coaches, McDermott's record is comparable to other coaches over the same period.  In fact, I short changed him since McDermott actually has three head coaches in his coaching tree since I forgot about Culley.

 

I will let this go since I don't want this to devolve into another McDermott sucks thread.

 

 

[ScottishBills]

Marino is tremendously well researched and lays out his arguments well. One man is a tough gig, but he does a great job and his love of the Bills comes across.  Squad has been a great addition to mix it up and have some discussion. Great piece of the Bills landscape (for an overseas fan such as myself anyway)