Sam Darnold - knowing his role on the team

[PoundingDog]

It is evident that he knows.

 

Some of his quotes paraphrasing: "I know coming into this game, (I have) no turnovers, and I did." "throw to open guys, or throw away." "I know I have the back of my defense and special team." 

 

Very much game manager type of stuff, though I personally do believe Darnold can play beyond game manager level in spurts but not consistently. It's amazing a game manager QB in NFL warrants a 100 million (3 years) contract today and is considered a bargain. 

 

I'm pretty sure Allen knows what his role is. The way Allen acted after the Denver games says it all. All those talk of Allen going to another team to win a superbowl is nonsense. Whereas Allen goes, he needs to be THE reason the team goes to superbowl and win it. What Allen needs is competence from the defense and special teams, as well as his offensive supporting casts.  

 

 

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

"Game Manager" should not be treated as a slur. Joe Montana was a Game Manager. When Tom Brady was at his most successful, he was also a game manager. Peyton Manning was the "Field General" which is just a really high level Game Manager.

Guys that thrive in going off-script tend to have a lot less sustained success in this league. That's reason #1 why I'm a massive proponent of letting Allen be a Game Manager too, despite his gifts. They finally figured it out with Elway at the end of his career, and Manning too.

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

"Game Manager" should not be treated as a slur. Joe Montana was a Game Manager. When Tom Brady was at his most successful, he was also a game manager. Peyton Manning was the "Field General" which is just a really high level Game Manager.

Guys that thrive in going off-script tend to have a lot less sustained success in this league. That's reason #1 why I'm a massive proponent of letting Allen be a Game Manager too, despite his gifts. They finally figured it out with Elway at the end of his career, and Manning too.

Game management is job one for any QB. 

[Augie]

Five turnovers didn’t help. How often do you win a game with 5 TOs? It doesn’t help the defense if you keep putting them back on the field. 

 

Josh is great, and football is still a team game. 

[dorquemada]

if the Bills could build a decent defense, 90% game manager with 10% superman will be enough

 

also, if the queen had balls, she'd be the king

[PoundingDog]

3 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

if the Bills could build a decent defense, 90% game manager with 10% superman will be enough

 

also, if the queen had balls, she'd be the king

I don't know how your 2 sentences are related. The first sentence is a reality and happened a lot in NFL history. The 2nd sentence is not a reality ... umm maybe the queen has a ... politically correct term please ... "gender-affirming surgery."

 

Now I have 2 new questions. 1) what is equivalent of gender-affirming surgery in NFL? 2) Among so many queens in the world history, any one of them had gender-affirming surgery?

[SoonerBillsFan]

25 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

"Game Manager" should not be treated as a slur. Joe Montana was a Game Manager. When Tom Brady was at his most successful, he was also a game manager. Peyton Manning was the "Field General" which is just a really high level Game Manager.

Guys that thrive in going off-script tend to have a lot less sustained success in this league. That's reason #1 why I'm a massive proponent of letting Allen be a Game Manager too, despite his gifts. They finally figured it out with Elway at the end of his career, and Manning too.

I cant thank thispost enough.  Everyone wants backyard/street football allen.  I want him to smartly use his mobility,and I dont mind going off script some, but it has to stop being the norm

[BuffaloBillyG]

10 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

I don't know how your 2 sentences are related. The first sentence is a reality and happened a lot in NFL history. The 2nd sentence is not a reality ... umm maybe the queen has a ... politically correct term please ... "gender-affirming surgery."

 

Now I have 2 new questions. 1) what is equivalent of gender-affirming surgery in NFL? 2) Among so many queens in the world history, any one of them had gender-affirming surgery?

I think the closest to this is when Matt Patricia, a defensive coach, was named OC by the Patriots. 

[Mikie2times]

49 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

It is evident that he knows.

 

Some of his quotes paraphrasing: "I know coming into this game, (I have) no turnovers, and I did." "throw to open guys, or throw away." "I know I have the back of my defense and special team." 

 

Very much game manager type of stuff, though I personally do believe Darnold can play beyond game manager level in spurts but not consistently. It's amazing a game manager QB in NFL warrants a 100 million (3 years) contract today and is considered a bargain. 

 

I'm pretty sure Allen knows what his role is. The way Allen acted after the Denver games says it all. All those talk of Allen going to another team to win a superbowl is nonsense. Whereas Allen goes, he needs to be THE reason the team goes to superbowl and win it. What Allen needs is competence from the defense and special teams, as well as his offensive supporting casts.  

 

 

 

 

Allen WANTS to be here, he is never leaving Buffalo.  I think Allen is fine being what the team needs. He doesn't have to be the reason. But he will take that responsibility 100% whenever it is required. 

[Gugny]

55 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

It is evident that he knows.

 

Some of his quotes paraphrasing: "I know coming into this game, (I have) no turnovers, and I did." "throw to open guys, or throw away." "I know I have the back of my defense and special team." 

 

Very much game manager type of stuff, though I personally do believe Darnold can play beyond game manager level in spurts but not consistently. It's amazing a game manager QB in NFL warrants a 100 million (3 years) contract today and is considered a bargain. 

 

I'm pretty sure Allen knows what his role is. The way Allen acted after the Denver games says it all. All those talk of Allen going to another team to win a superbowl is nonsense. Whereas Allen goes, he needs to be THE reason the team goes to superbowl and win it. What Allen needs is competence from the defense and special teams, as well as his offensive supporting casts.  

 

 

 

 

What Allen needs is to stop being stupid. 
 

Stop going into Hero Ball mode when it’s not necessary. 
 

Stop holding the ball, waiting for a bigger/sandlot play to open up … instead of moving the goddamn chains. 
 

Yes … Josh has had to put the team on his back multiple times due to a gross lack of supporting talent. And yes …. Without Josh, we do t even get to the post season. 
 

But let’s be clear … the MAIN reason the Bills weren’t in the Super Bowl this year was because Josh played like an idiot in Denver. 

[US Egg]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

What Allen needs is to stop being stupid. 
 

Stop going into Hero Ball mode when it’s not necessary. 
 

Stop holding the ball, waiting for a bigger/sandlot play to open up … instead of moving the goddamn chains. 
 

Yes … Josh has had to put the team on his back multiple times due to a gross lack of supporting talent. And yes …. Without Josh, we do t even get to the post season. 
 

But let’s be clear … the MAIN reason the Bills weren’t in the Super Bowl this year was because Josh played like an idiot in Denver. 

[PoundingDog]

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I think Allen is fine being what the team needs. He doesn't have to be the reason.

When a QB is paid close to $60 million and the salary cap is $300 million for an NFL team, he better be the reason. Darnold is making $33 million. The difference of cap resource on QB means a top level WR, or very high level, DE, or a top level DT, etc. etc. on one team but not the other.

 

Draft is the disrupter where cap resource and contribution (to team success) do not have to match.

[Chicken Boo]

People try and give Darnold *****, but he did exactly what he was supposed to do.  He didn’t turn the ball over, and he made some good throws late in the game.

 

 

[blacklabel]

40 minutes ago, Augie said:

Five turnovers didn’t help. How often do you win a game with 5 TOs? It doesn’t help the defense if you keep putting them back on the field. 

 

Josh is great, and football is still a team game. 

 

That fact that they still almost won with all those turnovers is crazy. They truly beat themselves. I honestly thought they were gonna roll, I think it was their third or fourth drive and they were clicking. Then Jimmy took a piledriver and fumbled and it felt like it was all downhill from there. 

[BigAl2526]

The ideal for which NFL teams should strive is to have players across the offense, along with a quality defense, that allow a QB to be a manager.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

8 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

People try and give Darnold *****, but he did exactly what he was supposed to do.  He didn’t turn the ball over, and he made some good throws late in the game.

 

 

 

He got away from some sacks that maye didn't too.  They picked up at least a few of those 3rd and mediums with fairly quick passes, while 3rd and long was a problem for NE all day.  

[Sierra Foothills]

10 minutes ago, Gugny said:

What Allen needs is to stop being stupid. Stop going into Hero Ball mode when it’s not necessary. Stop holding the ball, waiting for a bigger/sandlot play to open up … instead of moving the goddamn chains. Yes … Josh has had to put the team on his back multiple times due to a gross lack of supporting talent. And yes …. Without Josh, we do t even get to the post season. 
But let’s be clear … the MAIN reason the Bills weren’t in the Super Bowl this year was because Josh played like an idiot in Denver. 

 

Three points...

 

I'm not going to debate you and I don't want to start the great circular, never-ending debate but let me just say that (IMO) you were doing great until your last sentence... Josh is also the only reason we had a chance to win the game. Of course he has to play a bit cleaner but he's not the main reason we lose any game.

 

Regarding Darnold in the Super Bowl, there were a few risky tight-window throws that were not intercepted but part of his turnover-free game included a couple plays that could have been turnovers and that with a progression to the mean average, will be turnovers in the long run. He played a pretty clean game but he had luck on his side too.

 

Finally I've always advocated Josh playing within the structure of the offense. I've always rolled my eyes at those who think he should be "turned loose" and that he's being misused. I've always said that people underestimate his ability to play the short game with accurate, on-schedule throws. There's a misconception that Josh can't play the short game even though twice in his 8 year career he's thrown for over 69% completions. In 23 seasons Tom Brady never completed over 69% of his passes. Besides reducing his turnovers by 3-4 per season, the biggest improvement Josh needs to make is in his... wait for it... long ball accuracy.

 

[stevewin]

But what is his roll?

[MJS]

Allen gets the team in trouble sometimes. It's just the two edged sword you have to live with with Allen as your QB. He can be unstoppable no matter what the defense calls or what stars they have over there, or he can make a bone headed play that sabotages the team. He has always had both aspects to his game. The pendulum swings more to one side or the other in any given game.

 

He seems to be above criticism by many fans, who constantly state that he is the best player in the NFL and so the team should be dominating everyone and they should be going to the superbowl every year. Well, he's human and he has a higher variance than many starting QBs in the NFL. Yes, he has a very high ceiling, probably higher than anyone, but his floor means that you are never really sure which Allen will show up to the game, or even drive by drive.

 

Yes, getting more talent will help, but this reality has been there his entire career. Meanwhile, fans have argued that they put to much on Josh Allen to win games while ALSO arguing that they take the ball out of his hands too often.

 

I still think Allen has some maturing to do as a player. He needs to do the smart, right thing with the football more often and be willing to take what the defense gives him more often. Sprinkle in the amazing plays here and there that only he can do. When he does that in games, he is unbeatable.

Edited February 12 by MJS

[DapperCam]

25 minutes ago, Gugny said:

What Allen needs is to stop being stupid. 
 

Stop going into Hero Ball mode when it’s not necessary. 
 

Stop holding the ball, waiting for a bigger/sandlot play to open up … instead of moving the goddamn chains. 
 

Yes … Josh has had to put the team on his back multiple times due to a gross lack of supporting talent. And yes …. Without Josh, we do t even get to the post season. 
 

But let’s be clear … the MAIN reason the Bills weren’t in the Super Bowl this year was because Josh played like an idiot in Denver. 

Let’s be clear…the MAIN reason the Bills weren’t in the Super Bowl this year was because our terrible defense couldn’t stop a mid-Bo Nix offense from marching down the field at will all game. For his trouble, the HC was relieved of his duties (because it was the 4th time in 6 seasons an identical scenario played out).