RoscoeParrish Posted February 10 Posted February 10 Didn’t see this posted, but for a guy who left Buffalo on less than ceremonious terms, happy for him to win a Super Bowl as AHC in Seattle. Im not sure how much he is involved in the operation vs the defense in Seattle, but the defense sure looked a lot different that ours was in Frazier’s time. 23 15 9 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 10 Posted February 10 He's always come across as a class act kinda guy. Glad he could continue his career and for the success he's seeing now. 5 17 Quote
scuba guy Posted February 10 Posted February 10 Great for him the Seattle. Very quite persona for someone that played on the 85 bears d 2 Quote
colin Posted February 10 Posted February 10 I wonder if he misses mcds defensive calls or buck passing. He upgraded his MCD, chump to champ 2 Quote
Sweats Posted February 10 Posted February 10 I like Frazier.........my only kickback on that statement is who was in charge of the 13 seconds fiasco?!?.........McD or Frazier?!? Inquiring minds want to know. 3 1 Quote
Cruiserplayer Posted February 10 Posted February 10 Speaking to reporters in his postgame postgame press conference, Macdonald was very clear what kind of impact assistant head coach Leslie Frazier has on the Seahawks. "We would not be having this press conference right now if Leslie wasn't a Seahawk," Macdonald said (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfY2nTKnSh0). 2 1 1 Quote
DapperCam Posted February 10 Posted February 10 Hindsight is a funny thing. Everybody was critical of Frazier for his passive defenses. But the defensive rankings dropped significantly after he left, and the passiveness continued. Makes you wonder about a certain former HC. 6 9 1 2 Quote
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted February 10 Posted February 10 Agree huge shout-out to Frazier. Had a wild dream last night about Frazier. Had a dream rejoining the team. And working at valu as well 😂. Quote
Einstein Posted February 10 Posted February 10 (edited) Watching that game on Sunday, that was NOT Leslie’s defense. In any way, shape or form when it comes to strategy. I think the Seahawks blitzed more in 1 quarter than Leslie blitzed in 3 years here. I don’t know what Leslie does for that team, but it’s certainly not defensive strategy (unless we are talking defensive backfield only). Edited February 10 by Einstein Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 10 Posted February 10 I mean Leslie had a #1 ranked defense in Buffalo.... he was an excellent coordinator here. The similarities between what Leslie has generally done as a DC and what Seattle do are on the backend and I presume that is where any influence he has comes. They are an 85% nickel personnel team - which was right around what Leslie averaged as DC here too. And they are a heavy cover 3 and cover 4 zone coverage team. But they are nominally a 3-4 front rather than a 4-3 and they are a bit more exotic in their pressure packages. It is MacDonald's defense but there are similarities in their coverage looks to what Leslie ran in Buffalo. 3 4 Quote
GroteStreet Posted February 10 Posted February 10 24 minutes ago, Sweats said: I like Frazier.........my only kickback on that statement is who was in charge of the 13 seconds fiasco?!?.........McD or Frazier?!? Inquiring minds want to know. McD was in charge, he always took charge of the Defense at key moments in tight playoff games. Quote
Beck Water Posted February 10 Posted February 10 (edited) 22 minutes ago, DapperCam said: Hindsight is a funny thing. Everybody was critical of Frazier for his passive defenses. But the defensive rankings dropped significantly after he left, and the passiveness continued. Makes you wonder about a certain former HC. 2023 defense (after Frazier left) pretty good - #4, 17 points off of #2 Still had Poyer and Hyde, uninjured Bernard and plugged Douglas in across from Bernard. Leonard Floyd at RDE. A platoon of Dodson and Poyer making up for Milano. I think you have to look at how the player personnel changed, can't just look at coaches. Of course it's fair to look at coaches, too, but the fact is, the 2023 defense after Frazier left was still very good. Last year and this year when the wheels seemed to fall off, and I think a lot it was the personnel aging out and also being replaced by lesser players. Dorian Williams, Taylor Rapp etc. Edited February 10 by Beck Water 3 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 10 Posted February 10 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Beck Water said: 2023 defense (after Frazier left) pretty good - #4, 17 points off of #2 Still had Poyer and Hyde, uninjured Bernard and plugged Douglas in across from Bernard. Leonard Floyd at RDE. A platoon of Dodson and Poyer making up for Milano. I think you have to look at how the player personnel changed, can't just look at coaches. Of course it's fair to look at coaches, too, but the fact is, the 2023 defense after Frazier left was still very good. Last year and this year when the wheels seemed to fall off, and I think a lot it was the personnel aging out and also being replaced by lesser players. Dorian Williams, Taylor Rapp etc. 3rd down was the other bit that dropped off post Frazier. Conversion rates against below: 2025: 24th - 41.4% - Babich / McDermott 2024: 29th - 43.8% - Babich 2023: 19th - 38.6% - McDermott - - - 2022: 7th - 37.5% - Frazier 2021: 1st - 30.8% - Frazier 2020: 13th - 39.8% - Frazier 2019: 7th - 35.8% - Frazier 2018: 8th - 36.5% - Frazier 2017: 17th - 38.3% - Frazier It's pretty undeniable that the Bills defense was worse when Leslie left. Now I agree his departure coincided with some drop off from the older guys - White (injuries), Hyde, Poyer, Von etc.. but it is also clearly the case to me that the coordinating just hasn't been as good since his departure. The only exception I'd make to that is the stretch run of 2023, when McDermott had a pretty torrid first half of the season trying to do both jobs but down the stretch post that Denver game the defense rounded into some form, he stopped blitzing so much, began disguising his coverages better and the defense was playing great until the injuries hit vs Miami (week 18) and Pittsburgh (WC). Edited February 10 by GunnerBill 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted February 10 Posted February 10 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: 3rd down was the other bit that dropped off post Frazier. Conversion rates against below: 2025: 24th - 41.4% - Babich / McDermott 2024: 29th - 43.8% - Babich 2023: 19th - 38.6% - McDermott - - - 2022: 7th - 37.5% - Frazier 2021: 1st - 30.8% - Frazier 2020: 13th - 39.8% - Frazier 2019: 7th - 35.8% - Frazier 2018: 8th - 36.5% - Frazier 2017: 17th - 38.3% - Frazier It's pretty undeniable that the Bills defense was worse when Leslie left. Now I agree his departure coincided with some drop off from the older guys - White (injuries), Hyde, Poyer, Von etc.. but it is also clearly the case to me that the coordinating just hasn't been as good since his departure. The only exception I'd make to that is the stretch run of 2023, when McDermott had a pretty torrid first half of the season trying to do both jobs but down the stretch post that Denver game the defense rounded into some form, he stopped blitzing so much, began disguising his coverages better and the defense was playing great until the injuries hit vs Miami (week 18) and Pittsburgh (WC). Was Frazier calling the Defense on gameday the entire time he was D, though? Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 10 Posted February 10 16 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Was Frazier calling the Defense on gameday the entire time he was D, though? Yes, bar from one game. 1 Quote
Danger Mouse Posted February 10 Posted February 10 Yeah agreed. Pleased for him. Always liked him and always rated him Quote
pennstate10 Posted February 10 Posted February 10 Anyone have a good explanation as to why Bills never got a minority bonus pick for Frazier coaching move? 1 Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted February 10 Posted February 10 4 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Agree huge shout-out to Frazier. Had a wild dream last night about Frazier. Had a dream rejoining the team. And working at valu as well 😂. "🎶For the do-it-yourselfer in you🎵" 4 hours ago, Einstein said: Watching that game on Sunday, that was NOT Leslie’s defense. In any way, shape or form when it comes to strategy. I think the Seahawks blitzed more in 1 quarter than Leslie blitzed in 3 years here. I don’t know what Leslie does for that team, but it’s certainly not defensive strategy (unless we are talking defensive backfield only). Two points have been made in this topic: 1) Frazier was running the defense that McDermott wanted him to run 2) The defensive performance got worse after Frazier left Do you have any thoughts on these points? 1 Quote
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