Can Contract be Void & Redone ? Better ?

[T master]

In today's NFL the prices of contracts are outrageous especially given teams that have a franchise QB like Mahomes, Josh, Borrow, & others that command a huge chunk of the salary cap each season . I know that some can push some of the cap down the road if given a signing bonus but I was wondering if this could happen .

 

Lets say our own Josh very deserving of a Super bowl & probably one of the best all time QB's when it's said and done, said at one point when asked why he didn't hold out for more money said "How would another $5 to $10 Million make my life any better than it is now" that statement proved to me what kind of a person he truly is which got me to thinking .

 

Do you think that he or any other QB making stupid money would ever tear up their current contract & take considerably lesser amount to bring in Crosby & a #1 WR so he could get the pieces needed to get a Super Bowl ring .

 

Sure the money is nice but there aren't many QB's that can say they have a Super Bowl Championship and heck he could make the length of the contract short enough say 2 years or so & after renegotiate for a higher amount & what team wouldn't give him the money for the sacrifice that he made to bring a championship to the city ?

 

I know this may be quite the fantasy in a lot of ways but he will have most of all the records when his career is done but if like Jim Kelly ion you play your entire career & don't get a championship that might be something that he or any other QB would truly want to make his career hole .

 

Not to mention how he would be thought of by every single NFL fan across the entire world that too would just add to his legacy ...

Edited February 7 by T master

[strive_for_five_guy]

Tom Brady frequently took less pay in his career to help out the team.  Josh also is taking less pay right now than he could demand, if he wanted to maximize his NFL earnings at the expense of the team.  Not sure if approaching his pregnant wife about taking an additional pay cut is in the cards any time soon, though.

[US Egg]

12 minutes ago, T master said:

I know this may be quite the fantasy in a lot of ways

This is what you fantasize about?

[longtimebillsfan]

17 minutes ago, T master said:

In today's NFL the prices of contracts are outrageous especially given teams that have a franchise QB like Mahomes, Josh, Borrow, & others that command a huge chunk of the salary cap each season . I know that some can push some of the cap down the road if given a signing bonus but I was wondering if this could happen .

 

Lets say our own Josh very deserving of a Super bowl & probably one of the best all time QB's when it's said and done, said at one point when asked why he didn't hold out for more money said "How would another $5 to $10 Million make my life any better than it is now" that statement proved to me what kind of a person he truly is which got me to thinking .

 

Do you think that he or any other QB making stupid money would ever tear up their current contract & take considerably lesser amount to bring in Crosby & a #1 WR so he could get the pieces needed to get a Super Bowl ring .

 

Sure the money is nice but there aren't many QB's that can say they have a Super Bowl Championship and heck he could make the length of the contract short enough say 2 years or so & after renegotiate for a higher amount & what team wouldn't give him the money for the sacrifice that he made to bring a championship to the city ?

 

I know this may be quite the fantasy in a lot of ways but he will have most of all the records when his career is done but if like Jim Kelly ion you play your entire career & don't get a championship that might be something that he or any other QB would truly want to make his career hole .

 

Not to mention how he would be thought of by every single NFL fan across the entire world that too would just add to his legacy ...

I would think the player's union would have a fit.

[co_springs_billsfan]

5 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Tom Brady frequently took less pay in his career to help out the team.  Josh also is taking less pay right now than he could demand, if he wanted to maximize his NFL earnings at the expense of the team.  Not sure if approaching his pregnant wife about taking an additional pay cut is in the cards any time soon, though.

Just need to set up the JA17 physical therapy company and have Terry Pegula pay it 50M per year for "services"

[T.E.]

2 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

I would think the player's union would have a fit.

Not to mention the agents.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

I would think the player's union would have a fit.

 

The players and union hated it when Brady did it too.

[TheFunPolice]

Bad precedent 

 

The union would rather teams are squeezed tight thus forcing the NFL to raise the salary cap instead. 

 

That's how the players win and get more $ for everyone. 

Edited February 6 by TheFunPolice

[JohnNord]

18 minutes ago, T master said:

In today's NFL the prices of contracts are outrageous especially given teams that have a franchise QB like Mahomes, Josh, Borrow, & others that command a huge chunk of the salary cap each season . I know that some can push some of the cap down the road if given a signing bonus but I was wondering if this could happen .

 

Lets say our own Josh very deserving of a Super bowl & probably one of the best all time QB's when it's said and done, said at one point when asked why he didn't hold out for more money said "How would another $5 to $10 Million make my life any better than it is now" that statement proved to me what kind of a person he truly is which got me to thinking .

 

Do you think that he or any other QB making stupid money would ever tear up their current contract & take considerably lesser amount to bring in Crosby & a #1 WR so he could get the pieces needed to get a Super Bowl ring .

 

Sure the money is nice but there aren't many QB's that can say they have a Super Bowl Championship and heck he could make the length of the contract short enough say 2 years or so & after renegotiate for a higher amount & what team wouldn't give him the money for the sacrifice that he made to bring a championship to the city ?

 

I know this may be quite the fantasy in a lot of ways but he will have most of all the records when his career is done but if like Jim Kelly ion you play your entire career & don't get a championship that might be something that he or any other QB would truly want to make his career hole .

 

Not to mention how he would be thought of by every single NFL fan across the entire world that too would just add to his legacy ...

I totally get what you are saying but there’s other issues as well.  And the end of the day it’s a job and I don’t think most of us would voluntarily take a 10-20% pay cut to help the billion dollar industry make more money.  
 

There’s other pressures as well.   If you are the agency representing Josh, who has a direct financial investment in the contract, you aren’t going to want him to take less money either.  A. because you don’t want to take less and B. because it could set a bad prescient in future negotiations for other clients

 

Then there is the union.  They aren’t going to want players to take a sizable cut because it brings the comps down for everyone.  
 

I think Josh has made some concessions in his mega deal to be more team friendly, including his APY value.  But there’s only so much you can realistically do.  
 

I get what you mean though - how much money do you really need.  

[Mr. WEO]

How about Crosby takes less money to come to the Bills so they can cover the record breaking contract Allen is going to ask for next?

 

 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Tom Brady frequently took less pay in his career to help out the team.  Josh also is taking less pay right now than he could demand, if he wanted to maximize his NFL earnings at the expense of the team.  Not sure if approaching his pregnant wife about taking an additional pay cut is in the cards any time soon, though.

 

The Tom Brady thing is true, but he also made bank through his TB12 company that was hired by the Patriots.  There are some indications that he did not actually take less, but just got some of the money through a business in order to circumvent the salary cap.

 

I know, I know, the Patriots bending the rules seems just so unbelievable, but there it is.  

 

Of course, we will never know.

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, T master said:

In today's NFL the prices of contracts are outrageous especially given teams that have a franchise QB like Mahomes, Josh, Borrow, & others that command a huge chunk of the salary cap each season . I know that some can push some of the cap down the road if given a signing bonus but I was wondering if this could happen .

 

Lets say our own Josh very deserving of a Super bowl & probably one of the best all time QB's when it's said and done, said at one point when asked why he didn't hold out for more money said "How would another $5 to $10 Million make my life any better than it is now" that statement proved to me what kind of a person he truly is which got me to thinking .

 

Do you think that he or any other QB making stupid money would ever tear up their current contract & take considerably lesser amount to bring in Crosby & a #1 WR so he could get the pieces needed to get a Super Bowl ring .

 

Sure the money is nice but there aren't many QB's that can say they have a Super Bowl Championship and heck he could make the length of the contract short enough say 2 years or so & after renegotiate for a higher amount & what team wouldn't give him the money for the sacrifice that he made to bring a championship to the city ?

 

I know this may be quite the fantasy in a lot of ways but he will have most of all the records when his career is done but if like Jim Kelly ion you play your entire career & don't get a championship that might be something that he or any other QB would truly want to make his career hole .

 

Not to mention how he would be thought of by every single NFL fan across the entire world that too would just add to his legacy ...

 

Think one problem you'd have with tearing it up would be all the prior differed money would immediately come due??

[RobbRiddick]

It is an interesting question If you asked Josh "if you could make 50 million less over your career but you'll get  SB titles" I'm sure he'd have a loooong think about that. But of course it wouldn't't guarantee anything. 

 

I do hoe they're able to do some clever restructure again to move money down the road and free up more now, but I have no idea how they do that

[skibum]

I think a lot of players might do this, but the players union more or less won't allow it. Players can't earn too much less than market value, as it effectively lowers the potential salary of comparable players in the market.

[Mango]

Allen texting Beane everytime a QB signed a heftier contract than his, only to tear up his old one and become the highest paid player in the league, despite being able to maybe get another $5m out of Terry isn't noble.

 

That really irked me.

 

Beane said he'd been pushing for it.

 

In a world where QB's are taking 2x the cap hit they used to, $5M is barely more than a rounding error.

 

I'm not made Allen got paid. I'm "eh" that he pushed Beane for it. But I really don't like the narrative that he did us any favors with the deal.

 

He didn't.

[BullBuchanan]

It's not about the amount, it's about the percentage. We could pay Josh the same money and a much lower percentage if we wanted to, but that requires other tradeoffs in dead cap and cash that Beane and Pegula might not want.

[Mango]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

It's not about the amount, it's about the percentage. We could pay Josh the same money and a much lower percentage if we wanted to, but that requires other tradeoffs in dead cap and cash that Beane and Pegula might not want.

 

He averages around 17/18% of the cap right now. Which is super high by historical standards. And high-ish based on today.

 

The Bills don't have much wiggle room with his new deal without an extension. Otherwise instead of looking at one year at 24-25% we're looking at 2 or 3.

 

QB contracts are way too high compared to the cap. Nearly double the % compared to the Manning era.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The players and union hated it when Brady did it too.

Screw the NFLPA, and the Agents

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, T master said:

In today's NFL the prices of contracts are outrageous especially given teams that have a franchise QB like Mahomes, Josh, Borrow, & others that command a huge chunk of the salary cap each season . I know that some can push some of the cap down the road if given a signing bonus but I was wondering if this could happen .

 

Lets say our own Josh very deserving of a Super bowl & probably one of the best all time QB's when it's said and done, said at one point when asked why he didn't hold out for more money said "How would another $5 to $10 Million make my life any better than it is now" that statement proved to me what kind of a person he truly is which got me to thinking .

 

Do you think that he or any other QB making stupid money would ever tear up their current contract & take considerably lesser amount to bring in Crosby & a #1 WR so he could get the pieces needed to get a Super Bowl ring .

 

Sure the money is nice but there aren't many QB's that can say they have a Super Bowl Championship and heck he could make the length of the contract short enough say 2 years or so & after renegotiate for a higher amount & what team wouldn't give him the money for the sacrifice that he made to bring a championship to the city ?

 

I know this may be quite the fantasy in a lot of ways but he will have most of all the records when his career is done but if like Jim Kelly ion you play your entire career & don't get a championship that might be something that he or any other QB would truly want to make his career hole .

 

Not to mention how he would be thought of by every single NFL fan across the entire world that too would just add to his legacy ...

As others have said, Brady did it. He did get an “investment” in his company from Kraft too tho. Still, he could have gotten way more in his contract than he did. 

Functionally it would be difficult for something like what you proposed to work. First, no player is going to take a below market contract on the promise that the team will spend that on other players. The QB would have to agree to a reduction so another specific player could be added. That’s theoretically possible, but there are a lot of ways to kick the cap can down the road with restructuring contracts and void years. If a QB is at the end of their career, then there’s no real incentive for a QB to help the team avoid cap hell when he’s gone. So, in theory, yes, but in practice, no. 

What you do see regularly are aging vets who never won a championship take less to join a team that has a chance. But their peak earning years are usually behind them at that point.