Uncle Stucky Posted February 4 Posted February 4 If the Bills shop him they would be at a major negotiating disadvantage. He’s a good player, teammate, and has shown no interest in leaving…top offer would be a 4th of 5th. Only real leverage the Bills would have is if someone comes calling. Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted February 4 Posted February 4 I'm going to say this has about 5% chance of happening. A trade of Oliver would leave the Bills with a 21.585 mill dead cap hit and they'd have to replace the player. If they can find a taker after June 1, then the cap savings becomes more interesting (14.7 mill), but we'd still have a $9.2 dead cap hit in 2026 and again you'd still have to replace the player. Quote
<bills4life> Posted February 4 Posted February 4 4 hours ago, mushypeaches said: I am amazed at the folks that think Ed Oliver is going to fetch a 1st round draft pick in a trade I wouldn’t trade him for anything less than a mid 2nd rounder Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) Would the Giants give a 2nd to put him next to Dexter Lawrence? if Ed could actually stay on the field I’d have zero interest in moving him Edited February 4 by Warriorspikes51 2 Quote
TheFunPolice Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Oliver, 2 firsts and something else for Myles Garrett. Quote
Spiderweb Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Let's just hope that we don't end up with another scheme guy (aka Ryan) and not put the players we have at the start of the season in the best possible position to excell. Quote
Fan in Chicago Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Simon said: Up until this season he's averaged missing a grand total of about 1 game per year. Noted. Facts conflict with my perception 2025 14 games 2024 0 games 2023 3 games 2022 4 games I couldn't find for earlier seasons. But just totally the above 21 games in 7 seasons is 3 per season Edited February 4 by Fan in Chicago Quote
Magox Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Only if you could get a proven player in return. Despite what some say he has been our best defensive lineman over the past 5 years. I wouldn’t want to create a hole unless we fill it with someone else. Maybe Trade him a 1st and a 3rd for Max Crosby Quote
sven233 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 You can easily make arguments both ways...... But, I think this comes down to the simple fact that if he's healthy, he is worth more to you on the field than he would be in a trade. Let's face it, he's almost 30 and coming off a couple of different injuries this season. Nobody is going to pony up top value for him and he's worth more to you than a 4th rounder or something like that if he's on the field. Now, if someone were to lose their minds and give up a 2nd or something for him, or if he could be included in a package to get a premier talent in here at WR or DE/Edge, then have at it. I'm just not sure there's going to be that opportunity out there. Quote
Brand J Posted February 4 Posted February 4 For all the “Ed Oliver for a first round pick, please!” folks, which of Beane’s former first round picks would you trade straight up for Oliver? Maxwell Hairston Dalton Kincaid Kaiir Elam Greg Rousseau Tremaine Edmunds Quote
gonzo1105 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 3 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: Imo you dont trade him because of scheme fit, you do it because hes constantly hurt. Could be wrong, but id imagine in a 3 man front, an injury prone player would be even worse. You need very specific players for this role, and seems like there'd be less rotation.... partly switching from mcd's overly rotate heavy theme, and partially because its harder to find and roster the right guys? ^Last sentence is an assumption by me. But you can get warm body DT's/DE's from like 28+ teams (most of the league runs 4 - 3) I'm interested in what were doing here. Bernards chance of returning feels even lower now IMO, which might not be a bad thing. The cap hit would suck, but if hes a bad fit AND injury hurt, you bite the bullet IMO. Im doing some digging in now to try and figure out best fits for the defense in upcoming draft. A player ive really been watching is Pitt LB'er Kyle Louis. Hes already undersized so I was unsure about him at LB'er here before the scheme change, but maybe he could be a great fit for our Nickel! Hes basically a hybrid nickel already, but a size upgrade from Taron. Hes been durable in college, and I dunno if anyone saw his Senior Bowl work? Dude looked unreal and even had 2 int's in that RB vs LB drill, thats incredibly favor tilted to offense already. If were running bigger guys up front in our front 7 base D already (bigger than in a 4-3), does it make sense to want a bigger nickel??? Or is it the other way around - you give up some speed in favor of size for front 7 - so you'd really like to highlight some speed at Nickel? @GunnerBill@gonzo - maybe you guys or anyone else can help answer some of these I mean as for Ed Oliver, I agree I think if you trade him its more because you feel that he is a bloated contract with diminishing returns. Does that mean you trade him this year, I wouldn't necessarily say so but if you find it easier to trade him next offseason then go for it. I agree with Gunner that he's probably one of our better defensive players, but I also don't think that is saying much necessarily. I also think the people expecting a first round pick for him is laughable. I think his value is probably a 3rd round pick and another mid round round pick sounds fair for Oliver. Does Beane feel those two picks are worth it? Who knows. I like Kyle Louis. I actually had him written in a possible Nickle player already. Don't think he can play LB in the new system but year Nickle is a possibility but i'm not sure thats a sure thing either. I think there are quite a few LB's and Safeties/CB's who can play Nickle in the NFL this year. I think even if they are one gapping there is a couple of things that are true about the Bills in their history of drafting defensive lineman. The Bills prefer long arms. They want above 33 inches. Its funny because the only guy who doesn't fit that is Ed Oliver who has 31 inch arms. Even if you say that was McDermott, I don't think that changes. Usually in a 3-4 one gap or two gap system, you are looking for guys in the 270-290 range that have long arms that can hold up in the run game. The Bills also historically have wanted guys that have been able to rush the passer. So historically look for 33 inch arms or above, have a college history of rushing the passer, and will be in the 270+ range for defensive lineman. Don't get that confused now with 3-4 OLB's because thats a whole different scenario. Quote
Max Fischer Posted February 4 Posted February 4 If Leonard thinks Ed could struggle in a new scheme and a trade brings in those who will excel, then I'm all for it. In the meantime, I'm not going to get worked up either way. 1 Quote
Simon Posted February 4 Posted February 4 40 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Noted. Facts conflict with my perception 2025 14 games 2024 0 games 2023 3 games 2022 4 games I couldn't find for earlier seasons. But just totally the above 21 games in 7 seasons is 3 per season The highlighted "1 game per year" in my original post is actually a link that will take you to his whole career. Quote
BeyondTheProcess Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Most of McD's front 7 guys don't fit a 3-4. Hoecht is a glove fit at outside LB, but that's about it. Rousseau maybe at DE. Neither of last season's DL top picks fit anywhere that I can think of . That's the price Pegs pays when he knee jerks a firing and blows it all up in the process. Quote
uticaclub Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Brand J said: For all the “Ed Oliver for a first round pick, please!” folks, which of Beane’s former first round picks would you trade straight up for Oliver? Maxwell Hairston Dalton Kincaid Kaiir Elam Greg Rousseau Tremaine Edmunds *Oliver is the only one taken the top 10 Edmunds, I preferred to resign him instead of Oliver. However, Edmunds is quite large, especially for a 12-year-old, and our priority was for a light and fast option rather than a big and durable one. Edited February 4 by uticaclub Quote
Simon Posted February 4 Posted February 4 50 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Noted. Facts conflict with my perception 2025 14 games 2024 0 games 2023 3 games 2022 4 games I couldn't find for earlier seasons. But just totally the above 21 games in 7 seasons is 3 per season "Up until this season he's averaged missing a grand total of about 1 game per year." The 1 game per year is/was a link to his whole career. Looks like he missed 0 his first three seasons. 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 48 minutes ago, Brand J said: For all the “Ed Oliver for a first round pick, please!” folks, which of Beane’s former first round picks would you trade straight up for Oliver? Maxwell Hairston Dalton Kincaid Kaiir Elam Greg Rousseau Tremaine Edmunds Missing a pretty important one 1 Quote
Brand J Posted February 4 Posted February 4 20 minutes ago, uticaclub said: *Oliver is the only one taken the top 10 Edmunds, I preferred to resign him instead of Oliver. However, Edmunds is quite large, especially for a 12-year-old, and our priority was for a light and fast option rather than a big and durable one. Right, you’re not getting a top 10 first round pick for Oliver, so if he was somehow moved for a first, it’d be the back of the round. And no way on god’s green earth would I ever choose Edmunds over Ed Oliver. Their impact on the field isn’t close. Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted February 5 Posted February 5 I don’t have a strong view about trading or not trading him and I’m one of the bigger Oliver fans on this board. For me it would depend on what they can get for him and whether they think they have duplicative skillsets on the roster and/or he won’t see the field as much in the new defense. I do find it interesting that they were rumored to be in on Quinnen Williams at the deadline - was their plan to pay both of those guys and what, keep Walker on the bench? Only raising it because it’s possible Ed hasn’t been in their plans for a little while now. This offseason will be an interesting one - anything can happen. Quote
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