Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Trade Oliver and 2 1st rd picks for Justin Jefferson. 2 Quote
BillsPride12 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 36 minutes ago, BRH said: He had a great mullet though. And he did finally end Marino's sackless streak... Can't argue that! And when I think of Jeff Wright I'll always remember him for tipping the pass against Elway in the AFC Championship game that led to Carlton Bailey's Pick 6. He has his place in Bills history, but I'll always view him as a guy who was more of a problem than the solution for a team just on the brink of being a Champion so I didn't think it was a fitting analogy for wanting to keep Oliver around. For what it's worth Ed Oliver is a much better DT than Jeff Wright ever was. 3 Quote
BigAl2526 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 2 hours ago, milfandcookies said: Cupboard is bare on defense and they are talking a lot about subtractions It's my opinion at least that Deone Walker is more of a defensive end than a nose tackle in a 3-4. TJ Sanders should be a good scheme fit. Granted he wasn't great in his rookie year, but he had to play out of position a lot due to injuries. Quote
milfandcookies Posted February 4 Posted February 4 45 minutes ago, JP51 said: I dont think we know if it will or wont.... is the scheme better, we will be able to get players to execute it.... all are unknown... but yes that potential exists as it does with any major change (and I think most of us thought change was needed) ... especially if Beane views this as a regroup year.... but I know this under the present construction with the present players it wasnt getting any better either and it clearly wasnt good enough... and we were spending alot of money on it... sometimes to get better you need to take a step sideways or back... I am not saying we are... but in the end... all I want to do is win a SB... so whatever that takes, I am for. the better move was to fire Beane, find a GM who will help us get better. You’d still have Joe Brady calling the offense anyway. This damages the culture of the locker room and the defense will take a step back Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 4 Posted February 4 8 minutes ago, stevewin said: Also the front will be changing - it will not just always be a static 3-4, and even then like you said it won't be your grandpa's 3-4 Honestly when I look at the Bills personnel and what I think Jim will want to run (admit I am taking what the Broncos do as my template rather than anything he did as DC in college) Ed Oliver is one of the easier projections in terms of scheme fit. Quote
Mat68 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 3 Tech vs 4 tech many wouldn’t even notice a difference in alignment on TV. Penetrate cause havoc. Healthy he is fine. Need a 1-0 tech and versitile edge players. Many guys slide right in. Quote
BillsPride12 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) 26 minutes ago, JP51 said: I think a 3 is it... 1st... omg do it now. Jeff Wright was summarily B slapped and dismissed in the Super Bowls... if we had Sam Adams or Ted Washington etc... things might have been different... Wright was quick and got the odd sack... but was definately a weak link on that defense... I do not see Ed as a NT doing much better... I've always found it pretty ironic we had Freddy Smerlas at the Nose right before the true Super Bowl run hits and then had Mt. Washington at the Nose right after. If only that timeline could have been adjusted by a couple years. UGH we'll be playing the "If only" card as Bills fans until the day we die or the Bills finally win one and we can move on. It's a race to see which happens first Edited February 4 by BillsPride12 1 Quote
Simon Posted February 4 Posted February 4 If the Bills were to create a huge hole by foolishly trading away arguably their best defensive player for pennies on the dollar in the midst of an ongoing SB run because he's not a "scheme fit", then they don't have an Ed Oliver problem, they have a Jim Leonhard problem. Personally, I don't believe they have either. 3 3 Quote
Augie Posted February 4 Posted February 4 3 hours ago, Bruffalo said: There's no way anyone offers a 1st for Ed Oliver. If someone does we'd be dumb not to take it. You'll be lucky if someone offers a third. …and we’ll be smart to pass on that, imo. When healthy, he can be a difference maker. We need those! If someone wants to argue that he’s rarely healthy, it just points out why we will get so little in return. I’m hoping Leonhard is smart and versatile enough to take the players we have and figure out how to use them effectively in whatever he initially implements. We can tweak player fit over time, but we need to be clever without turning the entire defensive roster upside down immediately. 1 Quote
Big Blitz Posted February 4 Posted February 4 3 hours ago, Bruffalo said: I guess it depends on what you'd get in return. I don't see it because I don't think we'd get enough value to justify it. I’d think the 26th plus Ed to move up to take a top 3 WR or DE in the draft you better be sure on is a possible return. And potential cap savings. Quote
stevewin Posted February 4 Posted February 4 26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Honestly when I look at the Bills personnel and what I think Jim will want to run (admit I am taking what the Broncos do as my template rather than anything he did as DC in college) Ed Oliver is one of the easier projections in terms of scheme fit. On Lockedonbills Ostrosky said he thinks Oliver will excell in this defense (after reiterating it's not classic 2-gap 3-4 scheme with huge NT, its a hybrid) 1 Quote
JP51 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 39 minutes ago, milfandcookies said: the better move was to fire Beane, find a GM who will help us get better. You’d still have Joe Brady calling the offense anyway. This damages the culture of the locker room and the defense will take a step back I cant help you there... I suppose we will all find out Quote
uticaclub Posted February 4 Posted February 4 He was equally productive in 3 games this year as he was in 14 last year. If we're considering trading a veteran, I'd prefer to move Dawkins. We have greater depth at offensive line than at any defensive position. 1 Quote
JohnNord Posted February 4 Posted February 4 4 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Thoughts? https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7018668/2026/02/04/bills-dc-jim-leonhard-defensive-scheme/ "Which notable defenders could be the biggest question marks? DT Ed Oliver Oliver is undersized in any scheme, but there’s little argument that he’s better suited to the three-technique role from McDermott’s scheme than what the Bills could be switching to in 2026. Oliver played nose tackle in an odd-man front in college, so he has experience in that scheme. He wouldn’t play nose tackle in Buffalo, with his best fit probably being as a defensive end, though he lacks the length teams usually look for in that role. However, it’s best not to count out Oliver in any assignment, and the Bills won’t be locked into three defensive linemen on every snap. If they don’t want to try to force the issue, the Bills could likely get a nice haul on the trade market for an in-prime defensive tackle on a really manageable contract. They would also get some cap savings." Ed Oliver is a Brandon Beane draft pick. I think there’s a better shot he tries him with Leonhard’s defense first before he trades him. But we’ll see. Oliver is an interesting case because he can flash big in games but also can disappear. Injuries play a big part in his lack of availability too. Quote
Chaos Posted February 4 Posted February 4 What is a landing spot for Oliver? What is he worth to another team? Whatever that value is, is there any reason to think he is worth more to the Bills? Quote
BuffaloRebound Posted February 4 Posted February 4 not sure you’d get more than a 3rd rounder for him. Maybe I’d consider trading him for a DJ Moore. Quote
HappyDays Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Ed is the only defensive player we have that is capable of taking over a game, like he did against Baltimore. I have no interest in getting rid of a player like that. The injuries are frustrating but I'd rather bet on him staying relatively healthy than give him away for like a 3rd round pick. The ONLY reason I would consider it is if he's part of a trade package for someone like Justin Jefferson. 1 1 Quote
Fan in Chicago Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Simon said: If the Bills were to create a huge hole by foolishly trading away arguably their best defensive player for pennies on the dollar in the midst of an ongoing SB run because he's not a "scheme fit", then they don't have an Ed Oliver problem, they have a Jim Leonhard problem. Personally, I don't believe they have either. Sure he is a dominant player... when he plays. The Ravens game was one of the best performances by a DT I have seen in a while. But, then he was injured for most of the season. And that is my concern. I wouldnt mind trading Oliver for MHJr straight up. Both all world talents who haven't delivered last season. Edited February 4 by Fan in Chicago Quote
Simon Posted February 4 Posted February 4 5 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Sure he is a dominant player... when he plays. Up until this season he's averaged missing a grand total of about 1 game per year. Quote
BRH Posted February 4 Posted February 4 14 minutes ago, Simon said: Up until this season he's averaged missing a grand total of about 1 game per year. Those pesky facts…always getting in the way of a good argument 2 Quote
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