Joe B (The Athletic) - speculates about the possibility of trading Ed Oliver

[ganesh]

56 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

I guess it depends on what you'd get in return. 

 

I don't see it because I don't think we'd get enough value to justify it. 

The injuries during the season also doesn't help

[SoonerBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I think he will be here and he will play a lot at nose. People's idea about the way 3-4 nose tackles play is 10 years out of date. Lots of teams use smaller, quicker penetrators at nose including, for example, the Broncos whose starting nose is the 290lbs Malcolm Roach.

What is Roachs a length vs Oliver? And why keep Oliver at his cap number vs one of the young guys we drafted?

[GunnerBill]

Just now, SoonerBillsFan said:

What is Roachs a length vs Oliver? And why keep Oliver at his cap number vs one of the young guys we drafted?

 

Their arms are the same length. Roach is an inch taller. He is exactly the template for what that particular scheme wants from its nose. 

 

And why keep him over thr young guys? Because he is better. A lot better.

[Shaw66]

27 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I trade him at the combine.  He was brought in for McDermotts smaller DL setup, so he doesn't fit in any DL position we will be running. IF healthy, he is worth a mid to low 1st rounder, maybe more.  We need the draft picks, we need to replace him on the DL.

I did some research, Very in depth research...Ok Chat GPT and google, and it seems he is worth a 1at rounder IF he is healthy and I think he will be.

I'd do it for a third. I'd run to the phone if someone was talking about it first. I'd really be surprised if they got a first for him.

[Kelly to Allen]

There is a 21 million dollar cap hit if traded before June 1 in 2026

 

This wouldn't make sense.

 

 

Especially considering he is one of the elite penetrating defensive tackles at only age 28. 

 

We need a few more Blue Chip players... trading one away doesn't make sense in my opinion

 

 

Edited February 4 by Kelly to Allen

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said:

There is a 21 million dollar cap hit if traded before June 1 in 2026

 

This wouldn't make sense.

 

 

Especially considering he is one of the elite penetrating defensive tackles at only age 28. 

 

We need a few more Blue Chip players... trading one away doesn't make sense in my opinion

 

 

 

Correct. He is, at absolute worst, their 2nd best player on defense. And the "he doesn't fit this scheme" stuff is balony. People are way out of date on how 3-4 is normally played in the NFL. 

[muppy]

1 hour ago, Bruffalo said:

I guess it depends on what you'd get in return. 

 

I don't see it because I don't think we'd get enough value to justify it. 

ding ding ding ding ding

[US Egg]

Leonhard must have some flexibility in his system to work with Oliver

[frostbitmic]

Move him to ILB.   😁  ... I kid I kid.

[Brand J]

Ed is the best player on the DL when healthy. He’s taken over multiple games and even his own linemate Deone Walker said he’s never seen a performance like that out of a DT (Baltimore game). I think the best you could do is a 2nd round pick and I don’t think that’s worth it. Would love to see how he’d perform in Leonard’s attacking defense versus Sean’s.

[KentuckyBillsFan]

I think you could get a 2nd rounder for Oliver.. I'd strongly consider it, especially if it eases the cap situation (which I'm not sure of)

[BillsPride12]

58 minutes ago, BRH said:

People who know more X's and O's than I do (and that's many on this board), can you educate me as to why Ed wouldn't be a good fit at NT?  I know he's not Ted Washington or Sam Adams, but I remember Jeff Wright playing that position fairly well and I don't think he was as big or fast as Ed (even allowing for the relative growth of players over the last 3 decades).  Of course, it helped Jeff that he had Bruce Smith next to him and Biscuit threatening from the other side.

You might not remember Jeff Wright as well as you think lol...he was a major liability for those Super Bowl teams

[May Day 10]

As long as they can get Jordan Phillips back

[streetkings01]

Let the new DC decide if he’s a fit or not 

[Livinginthepast]

Doesnt stay healthy enough to get to his potential. Brilliant in a few games but MIA in a lot more. Just not worth the risk especially if the scheme is different next year and unlike some of the other players that haven't panned out (Elam, Coleman etc) he still has trade value.

[NewEra]

I love Ed.  On the field and off.  This is about putting together the best team.  If that happens to be without Ed, it’ll have to be without Ed.  

[JP51]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

I'm not sure what you would consider a "nice haul." Are you thinking as much as a 3rd round pick? Could we even get that? I'm not sure.

Beane loves his 3s... just sayin LOL... I think a 2nd is a stretch, a 4th not enough... I think a 3 makes sense... depending on the cap savings.. like in the end.. the CAP savings could be a big factor here... this is a Bplus contract on a C player that would be a big savings... we pretty much played all year without him... I actually thought the D improved over the course of the year when Bernard and He we out... not saying it was a direct result... I am just not sure the player moves the needle that much to justify the contract.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

41 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I think he will be here and he will play a lot at nose. People's idea about the way 3-4 nose tackles play is 10 years out of date. Lots of teams use smaller, quicker penetrators at nose including, for example, the Broncos whose starting nose is the 290lbs Malcolm Roach.

My issue with him playing that position is his durability. He may set a personal best for time until on the IR.

[BillMafia716ix]

Definitely think it’s time to move on from Ed. He’s a good player but he spends more time on the injured list than on the field.

[hondo in seattle]

Ed isn't a big, run-stuffing, middle-clogging NT.  But maybe that's not how Leonard would use him?  

 

We have no Pro Bowlers and few really good players on our D.  It would be a shame to lose one of the best because of scheme fit.  Generally speaking, sending your best players packing isn't a successful formula for achieving a Lombardi. 

 

Then again, Ed might be so ill-suited to Leonard's scheme that he isn't one of the best anymore.