Bruffalo Posted February 4 Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I trade him at the combine. He was brought in for McDermotts smaller DL setup, so he doesn't fit in any DL position we will be running. IF healthy, he is worth a mid to low 1st rounder, maybe more. We need the draft picks, we need to replace him on the DL. I did some research, Very in depth research...Ok Chat GPT and google, and it seems he is worth a 1at rounder IF he is healthy and I think he will be. There's no way anyone offers a 1st for Ed Oliver. If someone does we'd be dumb not to take it. You'll be lucky if someone offers a third. 1 4 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Just now, Bruffalo said: There's no way anyone offers a 1st for Ed Oliver. If someone does we'd be dumb not to take it. You'll be lucky if someone offers a third. Sorry bud no way. he is a 3 gap disrupter and not that old. Mid to low 1st is what he should bring. Would if push come to shove, turn down a very high 2nd and maybe a 4th? Nope I take it. But he is going to bring more than some think Quote
Captain_Quint Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Player for player trades arent that common, but with all the coaching changes this offseason across the league, there has to be some other candidates that would be a fit. Ed isn't elite, but in the right scheme, he can make plays. Wouldn't surprise me if he got dealt for a player or picks. 1 Quote
Buffalo Ballin Posted February 4 Posted February 4 We should have no problem trading away Ed Oliver. 1 Quote
Bruffalo Posted February 4 Posted February 4 1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Sorry bud no way. he is a 3 gap disrupter and not that old. Mid to low 1st is what he should bring. Would if push come to shove, turn down a very high 2nd and maybe a 4th? Nope I take it. But he is going to bring more than some think Love the optimism and I hope you're right and I'm over here eating crow. If we get that bounty for Oliver then Beane deserves all the credit in the world. 2 Quote
thenorthremembers Posted February 4 Posted February 4 They should be talking to the Bears and Saints. See if you can swing Oliver for one of DJ Moore or Chris Olave. 1 1 1 Quote
US Egg Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Anything less than a 1st be a horsesh*t trade. 1 1 1 1 Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Silly season has come early 3 minutes ago, BRH said: People who know more X's and O's than I do (and that's many on this board), can you educate me as to why Ed wouldn't be a good fit at NT? I know he's not Ted Washington or Sam Adams, but I remember Jeff Wright playing that position fairly well and I don't think he was as big or fast as Ed (even allowing for the relative growth of players over the last 3 decades). Of course, it helped Jeff that he had Bruce Smith next to him and Biscuit threatening from the other side. I'm speaking in generalities here: Oliver's body type is typically what you see in a penetrating 3 Tech aka "Shoot the gap between Guard and tackle to chase the QB" which is lighter than the body mass of a standard NT. Now where it gets tricky: almost no one uses the classic NT anymore. The classic model is for the NT to read and react to the play to draw double teams and shut down the run. But that has shifted to a 1-tech aka "attack the gap between Center and Guard". Aaron Donald (and Kyle Williams for that matter) were never that classic model and still wreaked havoc for years. To make it trickier: There are all manner of hybrid fronts and we saw some of them under Pettine in the Marrone era and Rex. If 3-4 is having the defense read and react and 4-3 is penetrate and attack, the hybrid fronts let you mix and match. Pettine put Alan Branch at 5 tech to read and react (and draw double teams) to let Dareus, Kyle and Mario Williams attack The real question isn't whether Oliver fits the defense. The real question is whether his play is going to be worth the cap space we have on him and whether we can get equivalent play from TJ Sanders 4 4 Quote
3rdand12 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 9 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I trade him at the combine. He was brought in for McDermotts smaller DL setup, so he doesn't fit in any DL position we will be running. IF healthy, he is worth a mid to low 1st rounder, maybe more. We need the draft picks, we need to replace him on the DL. I did some research, Very in depth research...Ok Chat GPT and google, and it seems he is worth a 1at rounder IF he is healthy and I think he will be. Okay. Next question Who wants him at this point ? Quote
mushypeaches Posted February 4 Posted February 4 I am amazed at the folks that think Ed Oliver is going to fetch a 1st round draft pick in a trade 2 7 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 4 Posted February 4 3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: They should be talking to the Bears and Saints. See if you can swing Oliver for one of DJ Moore or Chris Olave. I mean DJ did have 1000 yards receiving in Bradys offense in 2020... Quote
Andrew Son Posted February 4 Posted February 4 5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Sorry bud no way. he is a 3 gap disrupter and not that old. Mid to low 1st is what he should bring. Would if push come to shove, turn down a very high 2nd and maybe a 4th? Nope I take it. But he is going to bring more than some think I think that is insane. He's a scheme specific undersized DT coming off of a major injury and making $17M per. And in 7 years he has 30 career sacks... as an undersized supposed interior pass rush specialist! He's not fetching anywhere near a 1 2 1 1 Quote
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted February 4 Posted February 4 55 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Thoughts? https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7018668/2026/02/04/bills-dc-jim-leonhard-defensive-scheme/ "Which notable defenders could be the biggest question marks? DT Ed Oliver Oliver is undersized in any scheme, but there’s little argument that he’s better suited to the three-technique role from McDermott’s scheme than what the Bills could be switching to in 2026. Oliver played nose tackle in an odd-man front in college, so he has experience in that scheme. He wouldn’t play nose tackle in Buffalo, with his best fit probably being as a defensive end, though he lacks the length teams usually look for in that role. However, it’s best not to count out Oliver in any assignment, and the Bills won’t be locked into three defensive linemen on every snap. If they don’t want to try to force the issue, the Bills could likely get a nice haul on the trade market for an in-prime defensive tackle on a really manageable contract. They would also get some cap savings." Ed Oliver has been a major disappointment because of his injury history. I’m done with these hospital cases, it’s becoming a yearly tradition. Get what you can and move on even if it’s a 3rd or even 4th. What good is a player that is injured during every big game? Love the guy, but it’s not working. 1 4 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 4 Posted February 4 1 minute ago, Andrew Son said: I think that is insane. He's a scheme specific undersized DT coming off of a major injury and making $17M per. And in 7 years he has 30 career sacks... as an undersized supposed interior pass rush specialist! He's not fetching anywhere near a 1 I think he is worth a mid to low 1st. Or... maybe him and #26 gets us a nice move up in the 1st round. 2 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 4 Posted February 4 I think he will be here and he will play a lot at nose. People's idea about the way 3-4 nose tackles play is 10 years out of date. Lots of teams use smaller, quicker penetrators at nose including, for example, the Broncos whose starting nose is the 290lbs Malcolm Roach. 2 Quote
notpolian Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) He is inconsistent on the field and consistently off the field too much due to injuries. His contract is ugly. If you can get good value, especially a contributor at a position of need, go for it. Edited February 4 by notpolian Quote
BlazinBill Posted February 4 Posted February 4 He’s about consistent as Groot- nice player but contract is not matching performance IMO- I’m onboard with revamp in any direction they go- can’t watch them get run on consistently Quote
somnus00 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 I'd prefer seeing what he can do in Leonhard's defense. But ultimately, he's underperformed for a top 10 draft pick. Occasional flashes, history of injuries. And always an excuse as to why he's not elite yet. Seems like a good teammate. Looks like he works his tail off. But results matter. Quote
The Firebaugh Kid Posted February 4 Posted February 4 I would do this. If he doesn't fit well, move him. He's still young, but he can't stay healthy either. 1 Quote
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