Beane Talks WR’s from Trade Deadline

[dave mcbride]

8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

That's overstating it. Elite QBs have bad games. They have awful games. They have abysmal games. Every single elite QB in the history of the NFL.

 

But elite or not, if you have four turnovers that the QB is directly responsible for, that QB has not had a very good game.

 

Certainly Josh doesn't bear all of the blame. But he does get a lot of it. Which is not something you'd expect from Josh in the playoffs based on his previous record.

 

Can we stop saying he was directly responsible for four turnovers? First off, the Cooks play was a straight up catch. Second, even if you argue (incorrectly) that it was not, Allen was not even zero percent responsible for the turnover. It was essentially a perfect throw that the receiver caught and then surrendered to the DB. That's all on Cooks in that scenario. It drives me nuts when anyone, least of all knowledgeable Bills fans, assign that turnover to Allen. It's just bad-faith arguing.  

[BVBILLS]

Never mind the trade deadline WRS- I'm wondering why we didn't get a better WR before the season started. Never really replaced- Diggs/Coooper/ with Palmer? C'mon man

[Tanoros]

28 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Can we stop saying he was directly responsible for four turnovers? First off, the Cooks play was a straight up catch. Second, even if you argue (incorrectly) that it was not, Allen was not even zero percent responsible for the turnover. It was essentially a perfect throw that the receiver caught and then surrendered to the DB. That's all on Cooks in that scenario. It drives me nuts when anyone, least of all knowledgeable Bills fans, assign that turnover to Allen. It's just bad-faith arguing.  

I think it was a catch personally, but assuming the call on the field was correct, you can’t give Josh zero responsibility. The ball could have been more in front of Cooks where the DB had no chance to make a play on the ball, because it was slightly behind Cooks, that is what created the opportunity in the first place. 
 

Ultimately, throws aren’t always going to be perfect and it the receivers job to come down with the ball when it comes their way. But it’s definitely not fair to say Allen had zero responsibility for that turnover. Allen would have had to have thrown a perfect ball for zero responsibility, and it wasn’t a perfect throw. 

[dave mcbride]

10 minutes ago, Tanoros said:

I think it was a catch personally, but assuming the call on the field was correct, you can’t give Josh zero responsibility. The ball could have been more in front of Cooks where the DB had no chance to make a play on the ball, because it was slightly behind Cooks, that is what created the opportunity in the first place. 
 

Ultimately, throws aren’t always going to be perfect and it the receivers job to come down with the ball when it comes their way. But it’s definitely not fair to say Allen had zero responsibility for that turnover. Allen would have had to have thrown a perfect ball for zero responsibility, and it wasn’t a perfect throw. 

Hardly any throw of that depth (over 50 yards in the air) is ever truly "perfect," but in relative terms that was a freaking perfect throw. Factor in the distance and difficulty when assessing a throw like that. It was right on the freaking money, and who is to say that if he led him a little bit he still would have caught it. 

Edited February 4 by dave mcbride

[GroteStreet]

16 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Well I'm not going to win any gold gymnastic medals pointing out that when Allen left the field with 4 minutes to play he had led the Bills on a 17 - 0 run that put them in the lead 27 - 23.

 

 

I'm not saying the TO's didn't hurt the Bills and contributed to the loss - they did.  Without the TO's Buffalo likely blows Denver out.  But I watched Stroud turn the ball over 3 times against Pittsburgh and his D stood fast giving the Texans a playoff victory.  And I saw Maye commit 3 TO's against Houston and his D bailed him out.  

And McDermott’s defense, almost without fail, gives up long drives that end in points.  No bailing out the offense at critical moments in playoff games by that defense.

the optimist in me says all of us will be thrilled McDermott is gone by November 

[uticaclub]

5 minutes ago, GroteStreet said:

And McDermott’s defense, almost without fail, gives up long drives that end in points.  No bailing out the offense at critical moments in playoff games by that defense.

the optimist in me says all of us will be thrilled McDermott is gone by November 

The offense was bailed out twice since we drafted Allen. Pick 6 against Baltimore & the pick at the end of the Jax game. Other than that, nothing

[Buffalo Ballin]

4 hours ago, finn said:

You show accountability first by not getting defensive or attacking people who point out your mistakes. You don't need to apologize, but you can quietly acknowledge that you need to do a better job in some areas. (Beane could learn from his quarterback, who has no trouble taking responsibility.) I used to like and respect Beane, but he's shown himself to be thin-skinned, shrill, and, frankly, not very good at his job. As you indicate, one simply cannot defend his egregious neglect of the wide-receiver position. At this point, it's not just arguable but glaringly obvious that the practice squad he provided Allen at the position cost the team a Super Bowl appearance. But instead of acknowledging and vowing to learn from his mistakes, he makes excuses, attacks his critics, covers his a**, and (evidently) throws the head coach under the bus to save his job. 

 

I'm not sure why people continue to defend Beane. Allen, Diggs, and Cook were hits, agreed. But just three home runs in nine years? Nine YEARS?

 

Sometimes the truth is right in front of us and nobody can see it. The success of the Bills has been pretty much entirely due to a) the best player in NFL history; and b) McDermott creating a winning culture (at least for the regular season). At best, Beane has just been along for the ride. 

 

 

 

Beane also built up, arguably, a Top 5 O-line.

 

I know some of you really hate Beane. At times, so do I. But none of the hate takes the cake like McDermott.

 

Don't really care about McDermott and his culture. Please remember that this culture was built during the late 1980s and throughout the 1990s LONG BEFORE McDermott was even here.

 

Honestly? Take his 13 Seconds culture away from this team. Thanks for the memories. We HAD to move on and let go.

[Paup 1995MVP]

On 2/2/2026 at 4:25 PM, QB Bills said:

On one hand, I respect the candidness that he's showing. It's rare to see the curtain pulled back in pro sports. 

 

On the other, who knows what really happened? Beane is well aware of the fire he's been under this season and it doesn't seem like a coincidence that everything he says in public sounds like damage control.

 

The truth is, he's drafted one elite player in 8 years. He's lucky that player ended up being as good as he is or he'd have been out of a job a long time ago.

He drafted 2 elite players.  Allen and Cook.  The problem has been we have not drafted enough receivers.  (The more you draft, you figure your chances of finding more Shakirs go up.)  And the defensive picks, have just been a mishmash of mediocrity pretty much.  I think the system that McDermott ran on defense is very difficult to find the right fits for.  And his hesitancy to play rookies did not help either.  Hopefully, going with a completely different defensive system will prove to match up a lot better for the draft picks Beane makes.

[Tanoros]

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Hardly any throw of that depth (over 50 yards in the air) is ever truly "perfect," but in relative terms that was a freaking perfect throw. Factor in the distance and difficulty when assessing a throw like that. It was right on the freaking money, and who is to say that if he led him a little bit he still would have caught it. 

I understand how difficult that throw is. However, if the ball hits the receiver’s hands cleanly without allowing the DB to make a play on it, that’s simply a better throw. Unquestionably.

 

It’s okay to acknowledge that a hard throw a receiver should still catch isn’t perfect. Perfect means nothing wrong at all. That’s an extremely high bar and should be reserved for the rarest of throws. Otherwise, the word loses its meaning.

 

We’re actually on the same page that Allen did his job. He threw a catchable ball, which is exactly what a QB is asked to do. Where we differ is in the label. A great throw? Absolutely. Perfect? Not quite.

[CincyBillsFan]

8 hours ago, uticaclub said:

The offense was bailed out twice since we drafted Allen. Pick 6 against Baltimore & the pick at the end of the Jax game. Other than that, nothing

I agree that the D bailed out the Bills against Baltimore in the 17 - 3 game.  But they did not bail out the O against the Jags as the Offense played very well that game.  What the D did do was preserve the lead the O handed them with less then a minute left to play.

 

 

[NewEra]

9 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Can we stop saying he was directly responsible for four turnovers? First off, the Cooks play was a straight up catch. Second, even if you argue (incorrectly) that it was not, Allen was not even zero percent responsible for the turnover. It was essentially a perfect throw that the receiver caught and then surrendered to the DB. That's all on Cooks in that scenario. It drives me nuts when anyone, least of all knowledgeable Bills fans, assign that turnover to Allen. It's just bad-faith arguing.  

I agree with 90% of your posts.  I can’t agree that the pass to cooks was perfect.  Cooks had to slow down and that allowed McMillan to make the play.  I’m not saying it was on Josh.  It was on 4 people. Cooks, Allen, McMillan and the ref.  But if he threw the ball a tad further, cooks probably would’ve had a TD.  There was no S in the vicinity.  
 

some say that the pass was supposed to be thrown short, but I don’t see it

[dave mcbride]

19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I agree with 90% of your posts.  I can’t agree that the pass to cooks was perfect.  Cooks had to slow down and that allowed McMillan to make the play.  I’m not saying it was on Josh.  It was on 4 people. Cooks, Allen, McMillan and the ref.  But if he threw the ball a tad further, cooks probably would’ve had a TD.  There was no S in the vicinity.  
 

some say that the pass was supposed to be thrown short, but I don’t see it

It was a great throw. Flat out.

[machine gun kelly]

Well, we’ll get another vanilla interview today from Beane on WGR this morning. Especially now that WGR is getting the boot from the Bills and Sabres.  These will be even more vanilla softball questions from the morning crew.  I can only imagine these guys have to be fearful of doing anything to upset leadership at OBD.

 

God, I hate this crap.