Beane go get the difference makers

[Bockeye]

16 minutes ago, SCBills said:

We just need to stop obsessively overpaying for average to slightly above average players. 
 

If we decide to cut Knox, Samuel, Rapp and restructure Allen & Brown, we open up about 30M of cap space once you take into account our entering the year in the negative. 
 

Might have to simply let McGovern and Edwards walk and let Grable and Anderson compete for LG and have SVPG compete with a cheaper FA and/or draft pick.  
 

When we wonder why teams have money and we don’t, it’s because they let guys walk.  We rarely do that and it leads to us building around a core of above average, but not great players with no real elite guys outside Allen and Cook. 
 

If we let guys walk, we’ll have money to go after a couple high price FA’s.   If not, we maybe have money for one big splash. 

This 100%.  Unfortunately, I think the mindset of “he’s our guy we drafted him” was BOTH a McDermott thing and Beane thing.  They looked at their draft picks through rose colored glasses and signed them for much more than they were/are worth.  Maybe there is hope Beane lets his middling picks walk?

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, IYKYK said:

As long as they work for vet minimum. That’s all we can afford without mortgaging our future. I thought 2024 was the year we tried to rebuild? That didn’t work out well. 

Looks like the guy you were quoting was still seeing red from 12 days ago, then realized how immature he continues to look and deleted his post

27 minutes ago, IYKYK said:

You can only kick the can for so long before it bites you in the ass. Wasn’t 2024 the year we were supposed to get the cap situation under control? What happened? We’re worse off now than when we were 2024! 

Because we’ve been kicking money down the road for 3 years with restructures in order to bring in FA.  

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, colin said:

 

That and putting money into players who can't play due to injury are far and away the biggest issues w this roster.

 

if we look at the signings of internal guys last season, groot, shakir, benford, and most of all cook were all good signings.  groot was banged up early, but came on super strong late.  benford too, but at a higher overall level.  shakir kinda bugged me early, but he makes prime time plays in prime time games.  benard was a huge whiff.  if he get's healthy and puts up 2023 numbers then all is well.

 

in fa, the 12 games of dt suspensions sucked (maybe we win another game, get the division if we had them both?), im a big hoyt fan but he had a catastrophic injury, palmer seems way over paid and was constantly hurt.  bad work right there.

 

i think you might be right about letting the LG and C walk.  both were not drafted by us (dunno how much that matters) and we have depth.  if we get slightly worse on OL but add impact talent at WR or DE, that's an easy win for us.

I’ll take a slight regression on the OL for a big upgrade at WR.  
 

Having an elite OL this past year didn’t matter much as Allen either got lit up because teams didn’t care about getting beat down field and/or got lit up because he tried to do too much because he didn’t trust his receivers. 
 

Theres easily a world where the OL is in the 8-12 range, instead of Top 5, but Allen takes way fewer hits. 

[Simon]

You want to give away a 1st round pick on a guy who catches 52% of his targets and didn't have a single 100yrd game last year?

And you want to give 100 million dollars to a guy who has tried to intentionally injure Josh Allen twice now?

I think I'm going to pass that showcase right on over.

[Captain_Quint]

24 minutes ago, IYKYK said:

You can only kick the can for so long before it bites you in the ass. Wasn’t 2024 the year we were supposed to get the cap situation under control? What happened? We’re worse off now than when we were 2024! 

The cap is fine this year. Others have broken this down, and with a few moves, we are middle of the pack for cap space now and have money to spend. 

Who cares about 2029 and beyond? There will be cap raises and players will be gone. Beane has done a good job of keeping the cap hits current year and not mortgaging the future when he is dealing. Now is the time to mortgage the future or else we will be in full teardown mode in 2 years searching for a new GM, front office, and coaching staff. Also Allen will be 33 at that point. 

[harmonkillebrew]

1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I've been saying this for yrs we need to consolidate not spend on a bunch of middling talent can this finally be the off-season we make this happen? Go get Trey Hendrickson to play DE and watch how he gets the best out of every player on that line and the defense as a whole. Yes he'll get paid big money but to me that's like an investment for everyone else as well because Oliver and Groot will be playing like 25mil a yr players instead of the 18-19 there making now. Nearly every Superbowl winning team needs that one difference maker on the Dline and Trey Hendrickson is just that. 

 

On Offense make a trade for BTJ . The Jags are ready to move him and I say we get this done as soon as the trade window opens for the 26 season. BTJ will be 24 when the season starts and going into his prime for some reason he didn't fit into the Jags new offense and the Jags also need to recoup a first they used in the Hunter deal plus they have a fantastic group of Wrs already in place with Hunter, Meyers and Washington. BTJ would be the key to unlocking this offense and like I said with Trey the same applies to BTJ he will make everyone better around him so Kincaid , Shakir and Cooks will benefit the most ntm Allen finally having that true #1 Wr back in this offense. 

 

The rest of the roster is pretty good and we can fill out the depth with savvy drafting and min wage free agents like the rest of the great teams do in this league. So please Beane stop having the same old off-season go get us a couple of difference makers!

Not swinging for the fences is in Beane's DNA. He only has like one move like that in him every 3-4 years. Von didn't work out so he's probably still gun shy.

But now is the time to change tendencies. His ass is on the line if they don't get to the SB

[Psautcsk]

25 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said:

The cap is fine this year. Others have broken this down, and with a few moves, we are middle of the pack for cap space now and have money to spend. 

Who cares about 2029 and beyond? There will be cap raises and players will be gone. Beane has done a good job of keeping the cap hits current year and not mortgaging the future when he is dealing. Now is the time to mortgage the future or else we will be in full teardown mode in 2 years searching for a new GM, front office, and coaching staff. Also Allen will be 33 at that point. 

This is what needs to happen.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

For me, I'd try to swing a trade for MHJ or BTJ. Sign a good FA and then draft a guy. I'd bet we end up with at least 2 really good boundary threats for the next few years. I don't need the best receiver in Football.

[mjt328]

48 minutes ago, SCBills said:

We just need to stop obsessively overpaying for average to slightly above average players. 

 

This exactly.  

There are usually three waves to free agency:

• Wave 1:  Mostly expendable starters who became really hot names in the offseason.  They get massively overpaid by the NFL's bottom teams with tons of cap space trying to make a big splash, and are now paid Top 5-10 at their position.
• Wave 2:  Teams with medium to low cap space, trying to fill in roster holes.  On the surface, they appear to be getting bargains (compared to Wave 1).  But in reality, they are still overpaying for average talent.
• Wave 3:  A few weeks after the dust clears, vets start taking 1-year prove it deals with contenders.  This is the only place you can truly get a good deal on a player in free agency.

The Bills live too much in Wave 2.

This is where you get the Josh Palmer and Curtis Samuels of the world.

 

 

48 minutes ago, SCBills said:

If we decide to cut Knox, Samuel, Rapp and restructure Allen & Brown, we open up about 30M of cap space once you take into account our entering the year in the negative. 

 

Hopefully Dawson Knox will be willing to take a pay-cut to stick around.  With the constant injuries to Dalton Kincaid, I'm not sure it would be wise to part with him.  Definitely good on cutting Samuel and Rapp.

 

 

48 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Might have to simply let McGovern and Edwards walk and let Grable and Anderson compete for LG and have SVPG compete with a cheaper FA and/or draft pick.  
 

When we wonder why teams have money and we don’t, it’s because they let guys walk.  We rarely do that and it leads to us building around a core of above average, but not great players with no real elite guys outside Allen and Cook. 
 

If we let guys walk, we’ll have money to go after a couple high price FA’s.   If not, we maybe have money for one big splash. 

 

There is a balance.  Beane does a great job of re-signing our own guys for bargain deals (compared to what they would get on the open market).  It's probably one of his strongest accomplishments as a GM.

But I do agree that sometimes you need to be ready for the young guy to step-up and fill the shoes.  They have been grooming a handful of O-Linemen for the last few years, and they appear to be ready to step in.  Anderson, Van DeMark, SVPG and Grable have all flashed starting talent.  We could save quite a bit of cap space if those guys are ready to take the starting role.

 

 

[Sweats]

Yeah, i think we've reached the point where we have to start getting quality, not quantity

[Pete]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

If you want a WR go get Marvin Harrison Jr from the Cardinals.  They are in full rebuild mode and they need draft picks.

Agree with your assessment for a pass rusher. Despite the WR struggles, the biggest need on this team is a double digit edge rusher.

Arizona message board is not impressed with Harrison Jr.  One asked if they could get a 3 for him.  I’m not sure why Harrison Jr isn’t better.  He’s seemed can’t miss.  He’s had a couple concussions.
 

WRs are hard to project.   Sammy Watkins was the highest rated player in 2 years on the Bills board.  Bills thought Keon could be a #1.

 

Cardinal fans are they picked Marvin over Drake.

Edited January 30 by Pete

[ToGoGo]

It's tough with the cap.

 

We can get one of those players but they have to work out, because the trade off is we'll have more C players at other positions rather than B players. 

 

The best moves in our situation (tight salary cap, big QB contract) is to nail the draft picks and mid-tier free agent signings. 

[stlbills13]

I think we need to keep cyber-bullying Beane. Seems like he's getting the message

[Cash]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think BTJ is more available than many think. Their current coach/GM did not draft him. Parker Washington is young, inexpensive and a phenomenal fit for Coen's offense. They made the move for Myers and re-signed him. They still desperately want to may Travis Hunter the WR happen. That really leave BTJ on the outside looking on. Offer the same package Beane did for Waddle, and I think they would jump at it. 

 

If I were the Jags, I would try to sell Hunter on being a full-time CB with a package of plays at WR.  So basically CB1 and WR4.  If Hunter bought in, I would try to keep BTJ unless someone blew me away with an overpay.

 

But I'm not the Jags, so I'm hoping they still see Hunter as WR1/CB3 and view BTJ as expendable.  Our first-rounder feels like an appropriate price at that point.  Slight overpay, but a fair one.  They're not going to move him for pennies on the dollar in any scenario.

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, Cash said:

 

If I were the Jags, I would try to sell Hunter on being a full-time CB with a package of plays at WR.  So basically CB1 and WR4.  If Hunter bought in, I would try to keep BTJ unless someone blew me away with an overpay.

 

But I'm not the Jags, so I'm hoping they still see Hunter as WR1/CB3 and view BTJ as expendable.  Our first-rounder feels like an appropriate price at that point.  Slight overpay, but a fair one.  They're not going to move him for pennies on the dollar in any scenario.

Agree. 

 

Something tells me their offensive minded HC is going to do whatever he can for their new toy to stay on offense. 

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Cash said:

 

If I were the Jags, I would try to sell Hunter on being a full-time CB with a package of plays at WR.  So basically CB1 and WR4.  If Hunter bought in, I would try to keep BTJ unless someone blew me away with an overpay.

 

But I'm not the Jags, so I'm hoping they still see Hunter as WR1/CB3 and view BTJ as expendable.  Our first-rounder feels like an appropriate price at that point.  Slight overpay, but a fair one.  They're not going to move him for pennies on the dollar in any scenario.

 

Agreed, but I see no scenario where they trade him to the team that just beat them in the playoffs.  
 

We are their KC - the team would kill the front office if they gave up exactly what we need for less than he was drafted for.

 

I think with the injury to Hunter - BTJ situation is exactly as it was at the trade deadline- not available unless you are blowing me away and a very late 1st isn’t that.

 

Edited January 30 by Rochesterfan

[JohnnyCash]

Somewhere this past season, I read something about BTJ being gun-shy about routes in the middle of the field which in turn led to his very mediocre numbers.  I’ll pass.  

[Franchiseneedsme]

6 hours ago, Mikey152 said:

If you can acquire said player, are they really that valuable?  
 

I just don’t understand why everyone wants to completely change the way we do things or mortgage the future to build a fantasy team. Not only is it completely irresponsible, it’s also unrealistic.

 

the world has become way to instant gratification for my taste

The rams would disagree. I say build a fantasy team the last 2-3 years and deal with after 2 Superbowls

[Augie]

 

So…..go do your job. 

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, Pete said:

Arizona message board is not impressed with Harrison Jr.  One asked if they could get a 3 for him.  I’m not sure why Harrison Jr isn’t better.  He’s seemed can’t miss.  He’s had a couple concussions.
 

WRs are hard to project.   Sammy Watkins was the highest rated player in 2 years on the Bills board.  Bills thought Keon could be a #1.

 

Cardinal fans are they picked Marvin over Drake.

 

I'm not a Cardinals fan, but I'm not impressed with him either.  Sure I've heard of his Dad and all, but in games I've seen it looks like  lot of the time he's loafin'.  

 

Early in Beane's tenure here he seemed to understand the importance of WR talent. He got us John Brown, Cole Beaely etc and later Diggs.  Those days are gone.  Now when he tries to improve the WR position, he drafts Coleman and signs Samuel, Palmer, and Moore.

 

Hopefully he does better this year.  I suppose we could blame Doofus McDermott but I heard President of Football say at least a half a dozen times in his PC he makes all the final roster calls.