Sal Capaccio NOT on board with Brady hire…???

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

He had 4 turnovers and those 4 turnovers played a major role in our season ending.  He also missed on the majority of his deeper shots.  Other than those 4 turnovers and misses….he played a tremendous game.  That’s not sarcasm, he played great.  He just needed to be better on several plays

Ya I agree. I will say of the 4 turnovers, 2 were his fault. The strip sack was 100 percent on Dawkins, and the "interception " in OT, was literally a perfectly thrown ball which should have been the game winner.

At the end of the day, Bills were up 4 with 3 minutes to go as the offence did enough. And once again the defence couldn't make a stop when needed most

[NewEra]

21 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ya I agree. I will say of the 4 turnovers, 2 were his fault. The strip sack was 100 percent on Dawkins, and the "interception " in OT, was literally a perfectly thrown ball which should have been the game winner.

At the end of the day, Bills were up 4 with 3 minutes to go as the offence did enough. And once again the defence couldn't make a stop when needed most

I don’t agree that the OT int was a perfectly thrown ball.  If he had led Cooks, the db wouldn’t have had the chance to make that play on the ball.  The coverage should dictate the throw and the help over top was not close.  I’ve already said my peace on this throw several times and agree to disagree.  
 

His missed throws to cooks and Knox on our final drive of the 4th qtr cost us the game similarly to the defense choking (per usual).

 

I’ve long said that defense and lack of pass rush is the biggest factor in us not winning a Super Bowl.  The conversation I had interjected in this case had to do with Josh needing to play better.  He needed to play better in the Denver game for us to win.  He can’t count on the d that has failed him year in year out.  

Edited June 1 by NewEra

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

It was thrown plenty good enough to be caught and in the NFL, an NFL receiver should make that play 99/100x

[Charles Romes]

31 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ya I agree. I will say of the 4 turnovers, 2 were his fault. The strip sack was 100 percent on Dawkins, and the "interception " in OT, was literally a perfectly thrown ball which should have been the game winner.

At the end of the day, Bills were up 4 with 3 minutes to go as the offence did enough. And once again the defence couldn't make a stop when needed most

I would argue that it was a better-than-perfect throw to Cooks in OT to win the game. The one he threw to Cooks on the fourth was a perfect throw but Cooks stopped running and did absolutely nothing to sell the PI.  Allen did not want to give Cooks any reason to stop running to the ball again in OT so he took a yard off of it, making the throw better-than perfect.  Any legitimate third receiver makes that catch. 

Edited June 1 by Charles Romes

[colin]

On 5/29/2026 at 4:32 PM, Jauronimo said:

We played much faster under Dorsey and that looked like the roster building strategy in those years.  It looked like the plan was to score fast, score often, and force teams to throw into the teeth of our defense to keep pace.  We signed Von to close that kind of game out.  I didn't care about the run defense then because teams were running out their own game clock against us.  

 

I think we got to a point where by a combination of talent, scheme, and the way defenses were playing us where we were not able to execute that kind of attack anymore.

 

- First it was defenses which played 2 high safeties to stop Allen and Mahomes and our run game was too anemic to take advantage.  Our offense became erratic and ineffective for long stretches.  Allen and Dorsey were still hunting big plays when they weren't there. 

- Then scheme and talent hit.  Dorsey gets canned, Diggs checks out then forces his way out, and we haven't had the weapons at WR to challenge downfield since.  This forced us into a ball control attack.  We literally had no ability to score fast and we saw that in the playoffs as we tried to engineer an 8 minute clock salting drive to beat KC.  It nearly worked and I think McD leaned into this philosophy after the fact and doubled down on run first to open the pass. Which was confusing to many of us because why are we hiding the best player on the team (game?)?

 

With Moore in the mix I think (hope) we now have the talent to make defenses cover the entire field.  Allen has demonstrated he has the patience to thrive in a ball control offense. We know we can exploit the middle of the field with Shakir and Kincaid.  We have a run game that can punish light boxes. If we have a deep threat that we can hit, pick your poison.  

 

 

 

i think the issue w dorsey was not his philosophy of playing fast, but the fact that he wasn't a very good oc and just didn't have good ways to go about it.  if just calling cover two takes away your mojo, you never had any mojo to start with.

 

we also had some piss poor production from the TE and RB positions, and our OL was ass.  staffold just mailing in a season on a team that lost 3 regular season games by a total of what, 9 points?  it was a bad mix.

 

fast forward to today, we had the top running game in the nfl, a top flight ol, and top flight rb and te rooms.  brady will be a better hc than mcd in my mind, and our assistant coaches are miles above what we had before (carmicheal over dorsey/next man up is a much higher pedigree).  i think we will see a better mix now. 

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, colin said:

 

i think the issue w dorsey was not his philosophy of playing fast, but the fact that he wasn't a very good oc and just didn't have good ways to go about it.  if just calling cover two takes away your mojo, you never had any mojo to start with.

 

we also had some piss poor production from the TE and RB positions, and our OL was ass.  staffold just mailing in a season on a team that lost 3 regular season games by a total of what, 9 points?  it was a bad mix.

 

fast forward to today, we had the top running game in the nfl, a top flight ol, and top flight rb and te rooms.  brady will be a better hc than mcd in my mind, and our assistant coaches are miles above what we had before (carmicheal over dorsey/next man up is a much higher pedigree).  i think we will see a better mix now. 

Brady took the same OL and instantly transformed our offense into a dangerous ground attack mid season after Dorsey was canned for poor special teams play.  

[2003Contenders]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

Brady took the same OL and instantly transformed our offense into a dangerous ground attack mid season after Dorsey was canned for poor special teams play.  

I think Dorsey was also largely responsible for over coaching Josh, which is where the "low positive" tag came from. While I agree with the concerns about Josh sometimes over-relying on his rushing ability (and unnecessarily putting himself in harm's way), Dorsey tried to completely phase out this important part of his game. Note that Josh's rushing stats picked back up considerably when Brady took over.

[BillsFan130]

53 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t agree that the OT int was a perfectly thrown ball.  If he had led Cooks, the db wouldn’t have had the chance to make that play on the ball.  The coverage should dictate the throw and the help over top was not close.  I’ve already said my peace on this throw several times and agree to disagree.  
 

His missed throws to cooks and Knox on our final drive of the 4th qtr cost us the game similarly to the defense choking (per usual).

 

I’ve long said that defense and lack of pass rush is the biggest factor in us not winning a Super Bowl.  The conversation I had interjected in this case had to do with Josh needing to play better.  He needed to play better in the Denver game for us to win.  He can’t count on the d that has failed him year in year out.  

The first part we will agree to disagree with.

 

But your last line?..

He can't count on the D that has failed him? I'm sorry but that is just such a weird statement to say.

If he can't count on his defence to make a stop at the end of games when having the lead, that is a Sean McDermott and a defensive problem, NOT a Josh Allen problem...

Edited June 1 by BillsFan130

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

The first part we will agree to disagree with.

 

But your last line?..

He can't count on the D that has failed him? I'm sorry but that is just such a weird statement to say.

If he can't count on his defence to make a stop at the end of games when having the lead, that is a Sean McDermott and a defensive problem, NOT a Josh Allen problem...

That’s not a Josh Allen problem.  Kicking a FG and missing 2 potential GW TDs (cooks and Knox) were a Josh Allen problem. We had 1st down at the 32 and cooks had moss beat.  Either for a TD or for a PI.  But Josh wasn’t even close enough to warrant a PI.  Then he missed or miscommunicated with Knox on another.  A TD most likely wins the game.  

When in OT, the defense actually got us a stop and all we needed was a FG…..but the offense (led by Josh) couldn’t even get that.  

If Josh played better, we would’ve won.  He didn’t.  It’s not a matter of “he shouldn’t have to play that much better”-  it’s a matter of “he NEEDED to play better”to win that game.  Thats what happens when you’re an all time great.  Sometimes you’re NEEDED to make certain critical throws.  
 

it’s not his fault we lost.  Like every loss, it’s a combination of things.  But we needed him to either:  avoid at least 1 or 2 of those terrible turnovers OR make better throws on the last drive of regulation.  He did neither and it played a big part in our season ending 

[BillsFan130]

23 minutes ago, NewEra said:

That’s not a Josh Allen problem.  Kicking a FG and missing 2 potential GW TDs (cooks and Knox) were a Josh Allen problem. We had 1st down at the 32 and cooks had moss beat.  Either for a TD or for a PI.  But Josh wasn’t even close enough to warrant a PI.  Then he missed or miscommunicated with Knox on another.  A TD most likely wins the game.  

When in OT, the defense actually got us a stop and all we needed was a FG…..but the offense (led by Josh) couldn’t even get that.  

If Josh played better, we would’ve won.  He didn’t.  It’s not a matter of “he shouldn’t have to play that much better”-  it’s a matter of “he NEEDED to play better”to win that game.  Thats what happens when you’re an all time great.  Sometimes you’re NEEDED to make certain critical throws.  
 

it’s not his fault we lost.  Like every loss, it’s a combination of things.  But we needed him to either:  avoid at least 1 or 2 of those terrible turnovers OR make better throws on the last drive of regulation.  He did neither and it played a big part in our season ending 

For sure. But.... We can talk about all the mistakes and over analyze everything. But if you really zoom out and look big picture- The Bills were up 27-23 with 3 minutes to go against a mediocre QB and they couldn't stop them. 

 

Josh did enough to win even with his mistakes. All the defence has to do is prevent Bo Nix from going 75 yards in 3 minutes and you head to the championship game

Edited June 1 by BillsFan130

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

For sure. But We can talk about all the mistakes and over analyze everything. But if you really zoom out and look big picture- The Bills were up 27-23 with 3 minutes to go against a mediocre QB and they couldn't stop them. 

 

Josh did enough to win even with his mistakes. All the defence has to do is prevent Bo Nix from going 75 yards in 3 minutes and you head to the championship game

 

Bo Nix threw a perfect dime to Mims for the TD.   Similar to the pass Josh flubbed to Cooks when he beat Moss on the ensuing drive. The mediocre QB made the throw.  The best QB in the world didn’t.  We settled for a FG.  He then had a chance in OT after the defense held.  
 

That one TD on that one drive was big…but we had two chances to win after that TD.  

 

[BillsFan130]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

Bo Nix threw a perfect dime to Mims for the TD.   Similar to the pass Josh flubbed to Cooks when he beat Moss on the ensuing drive. The mediocre QB made the throw.  The best QB in the world didn’t.  We settled for a FG.  He then had a chance in OT after the defense held.  
 

That one TD on that one drive was big…but we had two chances to win after that TD.  

 

Many chances to stop them on that drive. 3rd and 10, we sat back on our heels and rushed 4/played zone. A microcosm of Sean McDermotts defensive playoff failures. 

[JohninMinn.]

Every empire crumbles. The problem is in Buffalo it takes 20 years to rebuild. Maybe the new stadium will help.

[Rochesterfan]

22 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

It was thrown plenty good enough to be caught and in the NFL, an NFL receiver should make that play 99/100x

 

22 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

I would argue that it was a better-than-perfect throw to Cooks in OT to win the game. The one he threw to Cooks on the fourth was a perfect throw but Cooks stopped running and did absolutely nothing to sell the PI.  Allen did not want to give Cooks any reason to stop running to the ball again in OT so he took a yard off of it, making the throw better-than perfect.  Any legitimate third receiver makes that catch. 

 

It was not a good throw.  It was an on target throw, but like many of Josh’s passes that far downfield- he did not give his receiver a good opportunity to make a catch.

1st the ball was late as the pattern was set up early and Cooks beat his man, but Josh held the ball to long allowing the defender to begin to catch up.

 

2nd - Instead of putting some air under the throw and leading Cooks downfield to allow him to adjust to the throw + it was thrown to the exact spot Cooks was - forcing him to come to a stop - again allowing the defender to catch up.

 

3rd the throw was high - above cooks head making it very difficult for a moving receiver to make that catch.  The location would be fine if the receiver was running a come back route, but not for a receiver moving away from the QB - it makes the catch difficult and opens you up to exactly what happened.

 

Overall - the throw was on the receiver, but was not a good throw.  It is a common issue with Josh and downfield throws and why he has struggled with that throw since early in his career.  

[Dillenger4]

54 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

It was not a good throw.  It was an on target throw, but like many of Josh’s passes that far downfield- he did not give his receiver a good opportunity to make a catch.

1st the ball was late as the pattern was set up early and Cooks beat his man, but Josh held the ball to long allowing the defender to begin to catch up.

 

2nd - Instead of putting some air under the throw and leading Cooks downfield to allow him to adjust to the throw + it was thrown to the exact spot Cooks was - forcing him to come to a stop - again allowing the defender to catch up.

 

3rd the throw was high - above cooks head making it very difficult for a moving receiver to make that catch.  The location would be fine if the receiver was running a come back route, but not for a receiver moving away from the QB - it makes the catch difficult and opens you up to exactly what happened.

 

Overall - the throw was on the receiver, but was not a good throw.  It is a common issue with Josh and downfield throws and why he has struggled with that throw since early in his career.  

That's the way I saw it too 100%. He doesn't have that "touch" with his deep ball.

[Arkady Renko]

Have we answered the age old question as to whether Sal Capaccio is on board with the Brady hire yet? 

[WNYFAN1]

On 5/29/2026 at 10:03 AM, BillsShredder83 said:

I cant say "no fun" but 100% agree.  Evidence of the pressure cooker this team has been in to get over the hump, and win one while we have the opportunity (Josh).

 

We're fans and we got chewed up and run through the blender, imagine what that locker room must've felt and looked like!!  And I think this is what Pegula was talking about when he said he saw he needed to make a change.  I do NOT have high SB aspirations this year, as I think a new system and high turnover on roster, is leaving this team needing a lot of growing/chemistry work.  I think that will remove some of the pressure off the team as well.

 

Once we get Josh one, I think we'll all be able to step back and chill. But nothing would break my heart worse than Josh not getting at least one Chip while he's here.  The city deserves it, and Josh deserves it.  The thought of him carrying the "Marino asterisk" makes me f**** sick

I agree with all this, but I can't bring myself to feel sorry for multi-millionaire professional football players (barring catastrophic

injury of course)