Mango Posted January 26 Posted January 26 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I would have dumped Beane too. I think Daboll is an EXTREME longshot personally. Even still, he’s an upgrade. He believes in attacking. Every single person they are talking to is an upgrade in my mind. After watching those defensive collapses for 6 straight years, there is nothing that tells me, “the next guy will do worse than this.” What McDermott believed in was a failed philosophy. So while the situation isn’t “perfect” it is a step in the right direction even if it isn’t the 3 steps we were all looking for. Define “much worse.” If we hire Daboll, for example, which I don’t expect, what’s “much worse” look like? Somewhere between miss the playoffs entirely and/or get beat in the WC. No longer in the SB conversation. 2 years of that and we are looking for likely a new HC and GM. Personality aside, Baltimore, KC, and the Bengals (x3) just did it. You can fail with a star behind center. 1 Quote
frostbitmic Posted January 26 Posted January 26 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I would have dumped Beane too. I think Daboll is an EXTREME longshot personally. Even still, he’s an upgrade. He believes in attacking. Every single person they are talking to is an upgrade in my mind. After watching those defensive collapses for 6 straight years, there is nothing that tells me, “the next guy will do worse than this.” What McDermott believed in was a failed philosophy. So while the situation isn’t “perfect” it is a step in the right direction even if it isn’t the 3 steps we were all looking for. Define “much worse.” If we hire Daboll, for example, which I don’t expect, what’s “much worse” look like? I agree with most of what you're saying here except I don't believe that Daboll is a longshot or would be an improvement. Quote
MikePJ76 Posted January 26 Posted January 26 As long as they do not hire Brian Daboll then yes. 1 Quote
Mod_Squad_Reject Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 minute ago, Billy Claude said: 50% chance this is going to end up like the Chargers after they fired Marty Schottemhimer 30% chance that results will be similar or slightly worse than before. 20% chance they at least end up in the Super Bowl with a 50/50 chance of winning it. Yet teams like Bears NE Jville and Seattle thrived. Need to make the right hire. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted January 26 Posted January 26 3 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: I agree with most of what you're saying here except I don't believe that Daboll is a longshot or would be an improvement. So let me ask, if they hire Daboll, what does that look like? If it isn’t an improvement, what happens to the team, record, playoff success, etc..? Quote
Bill from NYC Posted January 26 Posted January 26 2 hours ago, US Egg said: Every season look forward to the draft, TC and opening day. Never feel gloomy about the Bills. Guess that’s a yes. How do you generally feel the day after the draft? Those are generally not my most jubilant days. Quote
ToGoGo Posted January 26 Posted January 26 I'm confident in Beane and Allen. We'll remain a top team. But these playoffs made me lose faith in the integrity of the NFL. I'm losing faith in us being "allowed" to win a Super Bowl. I think we've been cheated out of multiple rings and wins going back to the Texans game in 2019. Makes me wonder if we were "allowed" to win in the early 90's. In which case, is the entire story of Buffalo built on lies? Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted January 26 Posted January 26 5 minutes ago, Mango said: Somewhere between miss the playoffs entirely and/or get beat in the WC. No longer in the SB conversation. 2 years of that and we are looking for likely a new HC and GM. Personality aside, Baltimore, KC, and the Bengals (x3) just did it. You can fail with a star behind center. So we are worried that we may lose in the WC instead of the divisional round? We may even miss the playoffs once or twice? Who cares. None of that is the goal. Keeping a guy because he consistently wins a playoff game is exactly why we haven’t been to the Super Bowl yet. That’s the goal. When you start seeing stats like, “most playoff wins without a Super Bowl appearance” that’s not a badge of honor, it’s a Scarlett Letter. That’s failure. I don’t see any world where a Josh Allen team, in the AFC East wins less than 10 games. They could hire Rich Kotite and accomplish that IMO. I certainly would have dumped Beane too but there is nothing that’s telling me, “this was a risky decision” it could get so much worse. Go through the thread about the playoff PPG allowed and it’s literally the worst ever. Assuming the next guy doesn’t break the record for “worst ever” it’s an improvement (even if just an incremental one). 1 3 1 Quote
FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted January 26 Posted January 26 3 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: I'm not confident at all. While they have Allen, I have no faith Beane can get the job done. Agree plus current roster is not great and is likely to have the same or more holes then you factor in the cap hell and generally speaking how long it takes for a new coach to install his system/bring in his guys and I could easily a down year or two. LOTS of optimism hear that Beane will finally nail the draft and overhaul the WR room. Hope Im wrong GoBills Quote
Roundybout Posted January 26 Posted January 26 No, because Beane is still here. Look at the Rams. They have TWO first round picks and 48 million dollars in cap next season. This is AFTER going all in to win a super bowl. That’s how you manage a team. We have the guy who drafted Keon Coleman. 3 Quote
TBBills Fan Posted January 26 Posted January 26 I have billieved for most of my 47 years on this rock I am not going to stop now 1 Quote
Boatdrinks Posted January 26 Posted January 26 5 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: I'm confident in Beane and Allen. We'll remain a top team. But these playoffs made me lose faith in the integrity of the NFL. I'm losing faith in us being "allowed" to win a Super Bowl. I think we've been cheated out of multiple rings and wins going back to the Texans game in 2019. Makes me wonder if we were "allowed" to win in the early 90's. In which case, is the entire story of Buffalo built on lies? Except for XXV , (which we know should have been a Bills win) the Bills just ran into a buzzsaw on the NFC side each time. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted January 26 Posted January 26 I think we are confusing “improvement” with “ideal situation.” It seems like we all agree that retaining Beane isn’t ideal. At the same time, I’m blown away that some thing status quo was a better decision than some change. Quote
Andrew Son Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: So we are worried that we may lose in the WC instead of the divisional round? We may even miss the playoffs once or twice? Who cares. None of that is the goal. Keeping a guy because he consistently wins a playoff game is exactly why we haven’t been to the Super Bowl yet. That’s the goal. When you start seeing stats like, “most playoff wins without a Super Bowl appearance” that’s not a badge of honor, it’s a Scarlett Letter. That’s failure. I don’t see any world where a Josh Allen team, in the AFC East wins less than 10 games. They could hire Rich Kotite and accomplish that IMO. I certainly would have dumped Beane too but there is nothing that’s telling me, “this was a risky decision” it could get so much worse. Go through the thread about the playoff PPG allowed and it’s literally the worst ever. Assuming the next guy doesn’t break the record for “worst ever” it’s an improvement (even if just an incremental one). Well, the great thing is that we will find out. A vocal contingent has gotten exactly what they wanted, and now there are no more excuses. We supposedly have a SB roster and are simply a coach away. Here we go. 1 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 minute ago, Andrew Son said: Well, the great thing is that we will find out. A vocal contingent has gotten exactly what they wanted, and now there are no more excuses. We supposedly have a SB roster and are simply a coach away. Here we go. 100%. That roster is far from perfect but they sold Terry on the roster not being the issue. To me, both coaching and talent were issues. You can assign each whatever percentage of blame you’re most comfortable but all change is good change to me. So while I would have dumped everyone, this is better than nothing. Quote
Maine-iac Posted January 26 Posted January 26 Not confident at all and why would I be? We don't even know who the head coach is going to be. Sure we have Allen but we've had Allen all along. The guy supplying Allen with weapons or the defense with play makers hasn't changed and in fact got promoted. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. If there weren't so many questions or I was one of those "blind faith" people I'd probably be perfectly happy, but I'm not. I'm a paying customer and a fan and it's not my job to get results. It's their job and I'm not sure they have any plan and I'm also afraid that when they do get a plan together it will be underwhelming. Hopeful? I've got plenty of that. I'm not a head coach or an NFL GM. They could completely nail all of this and we could be well on our way to a SB in the next couple of years and I just don't know it yet. A large part of the Dunning Kruger studies involved knowing if you are good at something or not good at something. I'm not going to act like I know what I don't know. So I'm fine with saying I'm not confident. Hope the team proves me wrong. I'd like nothing more. Just because an old friend says "hold my beer" doesn't mean you are going to like what he's doing even if you're probably going along for the ride. 1 1 Quote
Sweats Posted January 26 Author Posted January 26 (edited) There are 2 choices here really...... * status quo - do nothing, keep everything the way it is and hope for different results (i think 9 years is enough to prove yourself in any situation or organization) * make change - make some changes, try to move ahead and see where it gets you (could work out well, could work out very bad) The FO decided that good was just not quite good enough and they are trying to move forward..........i am 100% on board with this. Edited January 26 by Sweats added something to it 1 Quote
Nihilarian Posted January 26 Posted January 26 23 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: I agree with most of what you're saying here except I don't believe that Daboll is a longshot or would be an improvement. Bills predicted to hire an award-winning head coach with a .336 career win percentage. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/articles/bills-predicted-hire-award-winning-131428795.html However, Daboll's tenure with the NY Giants went off the rails, and he lost a ton of games, finishing with a .336 win percentage. But losing wasn't the only problem, as the Giants experienced a ton of dysfunction under Daboll as well. The mere fact that this clown of a HC had Saquon Barkley at RB and didn't use him properly to help his QB, Daniel Jones. Then he allowed him to leave, where he would go to the Eagles, rush for 2000 yards, and win a Super Bowl. 3 1 Quote
JP51 Posted January 26 Posted January 26 Confident... never.... hopeful yes... there needed to be change... there was... was it enough or the right change we will find out...but at minimum they understand what they have is not working. 1 Quote
Rocky Landing Posted January 26 Posted January 26 I am confident that the Bills will be around in the future. Quote
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