Gonzo V2 2 Round Mock Draft(Post Combine Starts Pg 4

[Virgil]

If we go DB in the first 4 rounds I would lose my mind

[gonzo1105]

7 minutes ago, Virgil said:

If we go DB in the first 4 rounds I would lose my mind

I mean I’ll never say never but be prepared to lose that mind. If White isn’t back and Dorian Strong is still out # 3 CB is a huge huge need , we also need Safety help badly either depth or starter. 
 

I would classify this as a bad draft overall but an area of strength this year is DB 

[Virgil]

2 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

I mean I’ll never say never but be prepared to lose that mind. If White isn’t back and Dorian Strong is still out # 3 CB is a huge huge need , we also need Safety help badly either depth or starter. 
 

I would classify this as a bad draft overall but an area of strength this year is DB 

 

I'm good with a Safety.  Not a DB, unless we move on from TJ and Cam

[chef4131]

I appreciate you taking the time to post this. For some reason I don’t think the bills will have a first round pick this year. I believe it will be in a package together a bona fide pass rusher or a wide receiver.

[gonzo1105]

1 minute ago, chef4131 said:

I appreciate you taking the time to post this. For some reason I don’t think the bills will have a first round pick this year. I believe it will be in a package together a bona fide pass rusher or a wide receiver.

I don’t disagree with you , I do think it’s a strong possibility that one of these two picks will be with another team by the time the draft rolls around but until that moment happens I have to assume we have the picks we have 

[OldTimer1960]

10 minutes ago, chef4131 said:

I appreciate you taking the time to post this. For some reason I don’t think the bills will have a first round pick this year. I believe it will be in a package together a bona fide pass rusher or a wide receiver.

Depends on what kind of vet they could get, but the Bills’ late first pick isn’t worth a ton in a weak draft and nobody is trading a very good DE or WR unless the player is old, injured or the team is trying to rebuild.  I feel like you wouldn’t be able to get a much better than average starter for that pick and that would come with a veteran salary instead of a rookie contract.  
 

Now, they got Diggs for a first and that was a good deal.  Was it better than taking a rookie WR that year?  In that time, it was to help Allen’s development, so I can see an argument that it was a good trade.  Could they find a similar deal?

[nosejob]

33 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I'm good with a Safety.  Not a DB, unless we move on from TJ and Cam

I would have been good with Starks instead of Maxwell ( thank God for Poyer)  or Tyliek Williams over one of the stupidest trades I've ever seen for TJ Sanders. I'm sure we could have figured out how to move a couple of spots. Pick 132 would have done that.

Edited January 24 by nosejob

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

If we go DB in the first 4 rounds I would lose my mind

What do you suppose will happen to me?

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

 

I'm good with a Safety.  Not a DB, unless we move on from TJ and Cam

Could we get Whitner out of retirement. I mean you win with players like him.

[MasterStrategist]

@gonzo1105, awesome job with this, always look forward to your and @GunnerBill drat class assessments.

 

Ill be shocked if we dont invest one of our top 2 picks in DL -- i know alot will become more clear after we get our DC in place.

 

Question on drafting a corner --- we haven't heard anything recently on Dorian Strong, have you/curious why we'd spend a high pick on corner if he could be our #3 boundary?   I get the need for a slot corner, and saw you mention the versatility, but 1 year after drafting 3 secondary players, I suspect we dont use a high pick

[Simon]

39 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

 

Could we get Whitner out of retirement. I mean you win with players like him.

 

🎉🥳🎉!CONGRATULATIONS! 🎉🥳🎉

 

We'd like to take a moment and bestow congratulations upon Bill for his 5,000th post about Donte Whitner!!!

 

In this era of shortened attention spans, it is a mighty accomplishment to still be able to repeatedly harp on something that took place two entire decades ago!

We had our doubts that he could summon up the tenacity to stick with this same theme year after year after year after year, but his unwavering resolve and dedicated refusal to conform to any accepted standards of reason or decorum have vaulted him to the top of a who's who of TBD crusaders!!!

The world now stands in awe of your reluctance to let it go and unwillingness to move on. You have reached unreachable heights and now stand alone as a paragon of replication!

We applaud you Bill for your unrelentingly narrow focus and your sheer determination to continue beating the living f*** out of that stiff, yellowing bottle of Elmer's Glue that was nothing more than just your average dead horse a mere 15 years ago!

Huzzah!!!!!

 

[gonzo1105]

4 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

@gonzo1105, awesome job with this, always look forward to your and @GunnerBill drat class assessments.

 

Ill be shocked if we dont invest one of our top 2 picks in DL -- i know alot will become more clear after we get our DC in place.

 

Question on drafting a corner --- we haven't heard anything recently on Dorian Strong, have you/curious why we'd spend a high pick on corner if he could be our #3 boundary?   I get the need for a slot corner, and saw you mention the versatility, but 1 year after drafting 3 secondary players, I suspect we dont use a high pick

Yea I said it in another post on this but Johnson is just great value there and to me he’s versatile enough to play anywhere in the secondary. If you want him to play boundary with Benford and kick Hairston inside you can do that. You want to leave Hairston outside, you can bump Johnson inside. You want Hancock to play the Nickle position, Johnson can play FS in my opinion . Even if we go away from the 4-2 set up we are still going to play a ton of 5 DBs.
 

There wasn’t just good value at that spot of DE. I like some of the other Defensive ends later that would fit the Bills than earlier. Guys like Malachi Lawrence, Gabe Jacas are probably better fits a little later than the undersized guys likely to go earlier. DT is better value there at that spot with Lee Hunter or someone of that ilk but I feel I’d get the same pushback after we took 2 DTs early last year. 
 

I get it but I am surprised not just you of course by how soon we forget that Savage, Jackson, Elam, and even a young Hancock got toasted in the playoffs. I think Johnson is an early 2nd round pick  and readily admit he might not be there at 60 

[Bill from NYC]

45 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

🎉🥳🎉!CONGRATULATIONS! 🎉🥳🎉

 

We'd like to take a moment and bestow congratulations upon Bill for his 5,000th post about Donte Whitner!!!

 

In this era of shortened attention spans, it is a mighty accomplishment to still be able to repeatedly harp on something that took place two entire decades ago!

We had our doubts that he could summon up the tenacity to stick with this same theme year after year after year after year, but his unwavering resolve and dedicated refusal to conform to any accepted standards of reason or decorum have vaulted him to the top of a who's who of TBD crusaders!!!

The world now stands in awe of your reluctance to let it go and unwillingness to move on. You have reached unreachable heights and now stand alone as a paragon of replication!

We applaud you Bill for your unrelentingly narrow focus and your sheer determination to continue beating the living f*** out of that stiff, yellowing bottle of Elmer's Glue that was nothing more than just your average dead horse a mere 15 years ago!

Huzzah!!!!!

 

I'm glad that you appreciate my posts. I will however try to improve them and move up to your unmatched volumes of intellectual and always entertaining comments.

[Virgil]

12 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I'm glad that you appreciate my posts. I will however try to improve them and move up to your unmatched volumes of intellectual and always entertaining comments.

 

I'm starting to think that you really do love DB's and you're trying reverse psychology on the Bills.  You want to run an 11 man DB front to really confuse the opposing offenses.  Playing chess sir

[MasterStrategist]

51 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

Yea I said it in another post on this but Johnson is just great value there and to me he’s versatile enough to play anywhere in the secondary. If you want him to play boundary with Benford and kick Hairston inside you can do that. You want to leave Hairston outside, you can bump Johnson inside. You want Hancock to play the Nickle position, Johnson can play FS in my opinion . Even if we go away from the 4-2 set up we are still going to play a ton of 5 DBs.
 

There wasn’t just good value at that spot of DE. I like some of the other Defensive ends later that would fit the Bills than earlier. Guys like Malachi Lawrence, Gabe Jacas are probably better fits a little later than the undersized guys likely to go earlier. DT is better value there at that spot with Lee Hunter or someone of that ilk but I feel I’d get the same pushback after we took 2 DTs early last year. 
 

I get it but I am surprised not just you of course by how soon we forget that Savage, Jackson, Elam, and even a young Hancock got toasted in the playoffs. I think Johnson is an early 2nd round pick  and readily admit he might not be there at 60 

I get TJ Parker regressed, like quite a few in Clemson this season, just think he will come across well in interviews and potential is there.

 

Saw you have him as a day 2 pick, I think he will be in consideration for us in Rd 1.

 

Saw your write up on him, anything other than his down/regression season scare you away?  He played better down the stretch and was a stud in 24

[gonzo1105]

3 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

I get TJ Parker regressed, like quite a few in Clemson this season, just think he will come across well in interviews and potential is there.

 

Saw you have him as a day 2 pick, I think he will be in consideration for us in Rd 1.

 

Saw your write up on him, anything other than his down/regression season scare you away?  He played better down the stretch and was a stud in 24

He was flat out bad this year. Just looked like he gave up in some games this year. I’m not about that life. He does fit the Bills prototype DE but I do not have a first round grade on him. Will Heldt who transferred from Purdue was a monster for them unfortunately he went back to Clemson. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

@gonzo1105, awesome job with this, always look forward to your and @GunnerBill drat class assessments.

 

Ill be shocked if we dont invest one of our top 2 picks in DL -- i know alot will become more clear after we get our DC in place.

 

Question on drafting a corner --- we haven't heard anything recently on Dorian Strong, have you/curious why we'd spend a high pick on corner if he could be our #3 boundary?   I get the need for a slot corner, and saw you mention the versatility, but 1 year after drafting 3 secondary players, I suspect we dont use a high pick

 

Last I heard Strong's career was potentially in doubt.

[Cash]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Last I heard Strong's career was potentially in doubt.

I’m expecting that he never plays in the NFL again. If it turns out I’m wrong, bonus. 

[gonzo1105]

A couple of under the radar guys that I really like so far are: 

 

WR Ted Hurst Georgia State

- He's someone who is going to fly up draft boards. 6'3 but he's only 185 pounds so he will def have to get stronger in the NFL.  Played all 4 years first 2 years at Division 2 Valdosta State and his last two years at Georgia State. Put up two consecutive big seasons at Georgia State. He did get an invite to the Senior Bowl so we shall see if he can play up to the best. 

 

DT Kaleb Proctor Southeastern Louisiana 

-Proctor is a maxed out 6'1 275ish pounds. Probably the best fit for a 3-4 but could be a pass rush specialist in a 4-3 and his final season at SELO he had 9 sacks. While you can say well he's an FCS guy, one of his best games this season was against LSU where he recorded 2 sacks and was constantly in their  backfield during the game. He has been invited to the combine and is currently participating in the Shrine Bowl

 

LB Bryun Parham UConn

- Parham is a super senior that is completely undersized at probably 5'10 220 pounds and I don't expect him to go in the first 5 rounds and it wouldn't surprise me if he goes undrafted but man this guy came on as a Senior. Spent 3 years at San Jose State where he was productive, transferred to Washington and wasn't effective, then transferred to UConn and had 125 tackles with 10.5 sacks yes in one season from the LB spot and no he wasn't a 3-4 backer. At the very least I think he can be a Special Teams demon for a long time being drafted really late in the draft. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

48 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

A couple of under the radar guys that I really like so far are: 

 

WR Ted Hurst Georgia State

- He's someone who is going to fly up draft boards. 6'3 but he's only 185 pounds so he will def have to get stronger in the NFL.  Played all 4 years first 2 years at Division 2 Valdosta State and his last two years at Georgia State. Put up two consecutive big seasons at Georgia State. He did get an invite to the Senior Bowl so we shall see if he can play up to the best. 

 

DT Kaleb Proctor Southeastern Louisiana 

-Proctor is a maxed out 6'1 275ish pounds. Probably the best fit for a 3-4 but could be a pass rush specialist in a 4-3 and his final season at SELO he had 9 sacks. While you can say well he's an FCS guy, one of his best games this season was against LSU where he recorded 2 sacks and was constantly in their  backfield during the game. He has been invited to the combine and is currently participating in the Shrine Bowl

 

LB Bryun Parham UConn

- Parham is a super senior that is completely undersized at probably 5'10 220 pounds and I don't expect him to go in the first 5 rounds and it wouldn't surprise me if he goes undrafted but man this guy came on as a Senior. Spent 3 years at San Jose State where he was productive, transferred to Washington and wasn't effective, then transferred to UConn and had 125 tackles with 10.5 sacks yes in one season from the LB spot and no he wasn't a 3-4 backer. At the very least I think he can be a Special Teams demon for a long time being drafted really late in the draft. 

 

 

 

I like Hurst some too. Day 2 player. Haven't watched any of the other two guys yet.

[Coach Tuesday]

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I'm glad that you appreciate my posts. I will however try to improve them and move up to your unmatched volumes of intellectual and always entertaining comments.

Come on dude that was funny!