Coach Tuesday Posted January 25 Posted January 25 5 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: All DL read the block of the OL in front of them and based off of that block is how they play. Drive step they know it's run - high hat they know it's pass. Guys don't line up pre-snap knowing they are going to pass rush regardless of what they get. It's all based off of what their key tells them. Our ball get off across the board is slow. Everyone on this defensive line has a bull rush and that's about it other than Ed and Bosa - Von did when he was here. Outside of that you have a bunch of guys with little twitch who just engage and condense the pocket with long arms. There's no bend out of anyone to run the hoop. It's a personnel issue - not a scheme issue. The thing I don’t get then is - they have barely even ever PURSUED bend-and-twitch. Von and basically that’s it, except guess Bosa. But they don’t draft for it and they don’t recruit for it, plenty of teams bring in a ton of smaller twitchier ends every offseason just to see if any of them emerge. The Bills have barely even TRIED to do that so, doesn’t that suggest it’s also scheme or at least strategy? Quote
Maine-iac Posted January 25 Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: The thing I don’t get then is - they have barely even ever PURSUED bend-and-twitch. Von and basically that’s it, except guess Bosa. But they don’t draft for it and they don’t recruit for it, plenty of teams bring in a ton of smaller twitchier ends every offseason just to see if any of them emerge. The Bills have barely even TRIED to do that so, doesn’t that suggest it’s also scheme or at least strategy? They thought Oliver was going to be the next Donald and have played thinking the DT's would be the pass rushers and the DE's would clean up. Sometimes it's worked but not enough for me to believe you should build a defense around it. I"ll go ahead and say this is all my own opinion others can add to or debate it. Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Just now, Maine-iac said: They thought Oliver was going to be the next Donald and have played thinking the DT's would be the pass rushers and the DE's would clean up. Sometimes it's worked but not enough for me to believe you should build a defense around it. I"ll go ahead and say this is all my own opinion others can add to or debate it. Fine but they also haven’t drafted or developed a similar player to HIM to give themselves a backup option so their structure wouldn’t collapse if he missed time. Like he’s one of one in terms of their skillset at interior DL. 1 Quote
Billsturfwars Posted January 25 Posted January 25 The thing is, who knows how any of these guys will play under the new HC’s scheme. No doubt some players will follow Mcd. If he gets a job elsewhere. like Poona Ford, and Tim Settle. decent before, awful here, then good/great after leaving. The common denominator was the Bills D. Schemes and Coaching.. Quote
HoofHearted Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: The thing I don’t get then is - they have barely even ever PURSUED bend-and-twitch. Von and basically that’s it, except guess Bosa. But they don’t draft for it and they don’t recruit for it, plenty of teams bring in a ton of smaller twitchier ends every offseason just to see if any of them emerge. The Bills have barely even TRIED to do that so, doesn’t that suggest it’s also scheme or at least strategy? Yeah, that's a great question. A lot of it has to do with where we have drafted. Those elite twitchy pass rushers are usually gone by pick 10-15 in the first round. That's why we have had to target our guy through Free Agency in Miller and Bosa. Javon Solomon is really the only defensive end we have drafted since McDermott and Beane have gotten here that matches that twitchy/athletic build for the position. I would suspect the Von signing plays into some of that - thinking we already have that twitch guy so lets take a chance on productivity over athleticism, but that's just an assumption. It is clear that we have drafted based on college productivity at that position. Epenesa was extremely productive at the college level rushing the passer, but his game just doesn't translate well to the NFL when you're lined up across from Elite athletes at Left Tackle. Epenesa is tall, tight in the lower body, and not very fluid. Rousseau follows the same type of build. Again, if either of these guys had any type of twitch to go along with their productivity we wouldn't have sniffed being able to draft them though. The Texans run essentially the same front structure as we do (or did) and their productivity from their group is night and day different from ours, and it's all because of who they have. 1 Quote
Maine-iac Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Just now, HoofHearted said: Yeah, that's a great question. A lot of it has to do with where we have drafted. Those elite twitchy pass rushers are usually gone by pick 10-15 in the first round. That's why we have had to target our guy through Free Agency in Miller and Bosa. Javon Solomon is really the only defensive end we have drafted since McDermott and Beane have gotten here that matches that twitchy/athletic build for the position. I would suspect the Von signing plays into some of that - thinking we already have that twitch guy so lets take a chance on productivity over athleticism, but that's just an assumption. It is clear that we have drafted based on college productivity at that position. Epenesa was extremely productive at the college level rushing the passer, but his game just doesn't translate well to the NFL when you're lined up across from Elite athletes at Left Tackle. Epenesa is tall, tight in the lower body, and not very fluid. Rousseau follows the same type of build. Again, if either of these guys had any type of twitch to go along with their productivity we wouldn't have sniffed being able to draft them though. The Texans run essentially the same front structure as we do (or did) and their productivity from their group is night and day different from ours, and it's all because of who they have. All for naught I thought David Walker was going to be the day 3 steal of the draft at DE. Tampa drafted him and he got hurt but I was hoping we'd take a swing on an actual sack artist. Quote
BearNorth Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 1/23/2026 at 12:34 AM, Kelly to Allen said: We really need another Sam Cowart and Marcus Patton. Badly Does London Fletcher have a kid old enough to play yet? He's my gold standard for a LB. 1 Quote
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