Jalan81 Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BeyondTheProcess said: I'm thinking Daboll. IMHO, Pegs might be regretting the knee jerk McD canning and needs to get this organization back on track. Keep the coordinators and move forward. There's nothing wrong with this team other than getting healthy again and a decent WR, etc draft Don’t want him back. Want new blood. Give me Kubiak and an experienced DC Edited January 22 by Jalan81 3 1 Quote
BeyondTheProcess Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jalan81 said: Don’t want him back. Want new blood. Give me Kubiakand an experienced DC Sure, sure, Kubiak and a hot DC would be great. Daboll would back that up for sure. Daboll will wait.. he wants to get back to B Lo so he will wait, imo. Now that you bring it up, we do need to ditch the McD defensive philosophy now that we have Bishop, Max and Benford back there... need to get more agressive Edited January 22 by BeyondTheProcess 1 Quote
gobills404 Posted January 22 Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, BeyondTheProcess said: nacua 45% slot; JSN 25% slot... so yes that is true, but a couple of years ago the slot % was lower. Heck, Even Chase is 1/3 in the slot now. He would be outside ~100% in the old days. Things have changed. You rarely see 11 or empty personnel anymore. DCs will not allow it. Need to run it at them and run big TEs into that coverage . Yeah even if they’re not lined up there most of the time being able to be great in the slot is pretty much a requirement for being a elite WR these days. Only one I can think of that that barely plays in the slot is Pickens and he’s only had 1 elite season. Quote
BeyondTheProcess Posted January 22 Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, gobills404 said: Yeah even if they’re not lined up there most of the time being able to be great in the slot is pretty much a requirement for being a elite WR these days. Only one I can think of that that barely plays in the slot is Pickens and he’s only had 1 elite season. wow yeah Pickens... total head case but he is one of one . what a talent Quote
zow2 Posted January 22 Posted January 22 Is some of it Allen? i’m just curious. He loves the slot guy, Tight Ends, and throws to RBs. His downfield ball is not thought to be really accurate. Obviously he has unreal arm strength but to hit those you need some rainbow throws that drop in the bucket. Quote
Jalan81 Posted January 22 Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, BeyondTheProcess said: Sure, sure, Kubiak and a hot DC would be great. Daboll would back that up for sure. Daboll will wait.. he wants to get back to B Lo so he will wait, imo. Now that you bring it up, we do need to ditch the McD defensive philosophy now that we have Bishop, Max and Benford back there... need to get more agressive Very interested in Udinski also. Brady or Daboll will put me in a years long depression. 1 1 Quote
BeyondTheProcess Posted January 22 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Jalan81 said: Very interested in Udinski also. Brady or Daboll will put me in a years long depression. I would take Davis Webb as well. Get a 30- something in there and see how that goes. Plus he knows the area , the fanbase and what he would be signing up for. I think that is relevant.. this is not L.A. ... people eat, drink and sleep this franchise Quote
Jalan81 Posted January 22 Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, BeyondTheProcess said: I would take Davis Webb as well. Get a 30- something in there and see how that goes. Plus he knows the area , the fanbase and what he would be signing up for. I think that is relevant.. this is not L.A. ... people eat, drink and sleep this franchise I don’t know much about Davis Webb, except people used to talk a lot about his package 🤔😵💫😵💫😵💫 Quote
streetkings01 Posted January 22 Author Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Luka said: 1 good game, FSU fans have low expectations. He was 1st team All ACC….i don’t think 1 good game gets you that honor 🤷🏽♂️ 1 Quote
DapperCam Posted January 23 Posted January 23 57 minutes ago, Jalan81 said: The point is Brady could very well could be the coach and then you will see a grown man cry. You’ll see this grown man cry. 1 Quote
NoSaint Posted January 23 Posted January 23 3 hours ago, streetkings01 said: I know it’s easy to blame Beane for not bringing in enough WR talent, but I actually put most of the blame on McDermott and Brady. The truth is, Brady’s system is brutal for wide receiver production. I’m 99.9% sure that if we traded for someone like Jaylen Waddle, we’d still be having the same “not enough WR talent” conversation — and I don’t think that was ever entirely true. Just look at the numbers before Brady vs. with Brady: 2023 Diggs – Pre-Brady (10 games): 73 rec, 868 yds, 7 TDs With Brady (7 games): 34 rec, 315 yds, 1 TD Gabe Davis – Pre-Brady (10 games): 33 rec, 490 yds, 5 TDs With Brady (7 games): 12 rec, 256 yds, 2 TDs Curtis Samuel – 31 receptions in 2024… after 64 and 62 the previous two seasons. Amari Cooper – 20 receptions in 2024… after 72 and 78 the previous two seasons. Elijah Moore – 9 receptions in 2025… after 61 and 59 the previous two seasons. Palmer – 22 receptions… after 39, 38, and 72 the previous three seasons. At some point it’s not the players — it’s the scheme. No receiver seems to survive in it. oh good, this thread again. outside diggs I will again argue Buffalo was mostly where dead receivers go to stay alive. They don’t do anything meaningful after they leave. Moore was the worse receiver in the league with a million targets. Let’s not feed him unless he’s playing different. wake me up when this young wr blossoms elsewhere cooper never played again after 5 mins on the team Palmer was loosely in line on a per game basis last I ran the numbers Curtis Samuel had his best production with Brady ironically I also see we don’t chat about Shakir as a 5th rounder blossoming or Mack hollins leveraging Buffalo to a bigger deal 59 minutes ago, zow2 said: Is some of it Allen? i’m just curious. He loves the slot guy, Tight Ends, and throws to RBs. His downfield ball is not thought to be really accurate. Obviously he has unreal arm strength but to hit those you need some rainbow throws that drop in the bucket. but also you need a viable bucket in that story tight coverage, poor ball tracking, not great hands etc… all hurt him Quote
Dan Posted January 23 Posted January 23 I have 2 thoughts regarding stats like these: 1. This is exactly why Brady shouldn’t be retained as OC. And not even considered for the HC position. I would suggest …maybe… allowing him to stay on as the OC if he had a plan for devising a a modern NFL offense. And McD was still here..But I’m not sure even. His offense produced the best running game in the league this year. But what did that get us in Jax and Denver? A whole lotta nothin. And if anything the complete regression of a passing attack got Josh beat up this year. He took more sacks and sustained more injuries than any other year in the league. (Unless I’m mistaken) 2. This offense, much like the defense, put up great stats. If you look at a lot of the key metrics and crap people grade players and teams in now.. you see all sorts of great numbers. Enough so that they can point to it all and say see look how good we are. Leagues best rushing offense, tops in scoring differential in the 2nd half, etc etc. Similarly, there’s all sorts of great stats to support why the defense is pretty good. And, of course, we had another double digit win season, another playoff appearance and WC win. Lots of things to say it’s all pretty good! BUT. And a big BUT… when you hit the biggest moments, the biggest games, against the best teams in the league… that’s when all of those stats get thrown out the window. The run game gets shut down. There is no passing game because they never developed one. Josh gets killed and we lose… unless he does some crazy Josh Allen things! And that is why we always get bumped from the playoffs… and why we need a change in coaching and schemes. They need more than one or two players to stay healthy. They need more than a lucky break. They need to change the offensive and defensive philosophies of the team. All this to say… they ripped the band aid off by firing McDermott. Now don’t screw around and keep Brady or Babbich. Hire someone fresh. Make the changes needed to keep Josh upright and running a modern passing offense that features a good run game. If you’re going to go through this kind of upheaval, then do it and don’t half ass it. Stop interviewing people like Brady. 1 1 Quote
Jalan81 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: oh good, this thread again. outside diggs I will again argue Buffalo was mostly where dead receivers go to stay alive. They don’t do anything meaningful after they leave. Moore was the worse receiver in the league with a million targets. Let’s not feed him unless he’s playing different. wake me up when this young wr blossoms elsewhere cooper never played again after 5 mins on the team Palmer was loosely in line on a per game basis last I ran the numbers Curtis Samuel had his best production with Brady ironically I also see we don’t chat about Shakir as a 5th rounder blossoming or Mack hollins leveraging Buffalo to a bigger deal but also you need a viable bucket in that story tight coverage, poor ball tracking, not great hands etc… all hurt him Shakir had a very underwhelming year, Colman wasn’t used to his strength or hasn’t been developed to find a strength , Samuel here had production????? Palmer was rarely used. I think we ran more than we passed ran more than any other team in the league with Josh Allen as the qb. That alone should have got McDermott and Brady fired. Quote
rajinka Posted January 23 Posted January 23 4 hours ago, Jalan81 said: Don’t want him back. Want new blood. Give me Kubiak and an experienced DC Yep no daboll, no brady with everyone getting a step up promotion. We need new eyes, new ideology 1 Quote
Sojourner Posted January 23 Posted January 23 3 hours ago, zow2 said: Is some of it Allen? i’m just curious. He loves the slot guy, Tight Ends, and throws to RBs. His downfield ball is not thought to be really accurate. Obviously he has unreal arm strength but to hit those you need some rainbow throws that drop in the bucket. Eh, yes and no. I think that’s more by the guys he has. When Gabe Davis was here previously those downfield shots seemed to be once or twice every game. And they hit on it a lot. He had a couple of seasons in or around, maybe just outside, the top 50 yards per catch in NF history. Quote
colin Posted January 23 Posted January 23 I wonder what influence having kromer run a lot of the run game and MCD touched had. Brady seemed like a clueless bum at times with obvious and predictable plays for long stretches, but would also dial up real back breaking plays on a lot of 4th downs, including (two times on fourth downs) 3 absolutely brilliant hook and ladder plays, all in games we barely lost to really great defenses. Brady either kinda sucks and got bailed hard by kromer and Josh, or he's a brilliant OC who has to not implement his full vision in order to accommodate an over bearing head coach and kinda move over for kromer. Quote
Awwufelloff Posted January 23 Posted January 23 6 hours ago, streetkings01 said: I know it’s easy to blame Beane for not bringing in enough WR talent, but I actually put most of the blame on McDermott and Brady. The truth is, Brady’s system is brutal for wide receiver production. I’m 99.9% sure that if we traded for someone like Jaylen Waddle, we’d still be having the same “not enough WR talent” conversation — and I don’t think that was ever entirely true. Just look at the numbers before Brady vs. with Brady: 2023 Diggs – Pre-Brady (10 games): 73 rec, 868 yds, 7 TDs With Brady (7 games): 34 rec, 315 yds, 1 TD Gabe Davis – Pre-Brady (10 games): 33 rec, 490 yds, 5 TDs With Brady (7 games): 12 rec, 256 yds, 2 TDs Curtis Samuel – 31 receptions in 2024… after 64 and 62 the previous two seasons. Amari Cooper – 20 receptions in 2024… after 72 and 78 the previous two seasons. Elijah Moore – 9 receptions in 2025… after 61 and 59 the previous two seasons. Palmer – 22 receptions… after 39, 38, and 72 the previous three seasons. At some point it’s not the players — it’s the scheme. No receiver seems to survive in it. This scheme was designed to prevent the number of turnovers josh was having in the other scheme. Id still take the turnovers over this boring ass offensive playcalling. 1 Quote
Puckman5 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 6 hours ago, streetkings01 said: I know it’s easy to blame Beane for not bringing in enough WR talent, but I actually put most of the blame on McDermott and Brady. The truth is, Brady’s system is brutal for wide receiver production. I’m 99.9% sure that if we traded for someone like Jaylen Waddle, we’d still be having the same “not enough WR talent” conversation — and I don’t think that was ever entirely true. Just look at the numbers before Brady vs. with Brady: 2023 Diggs – Pre-Brady (10 games): 73 rec, 868 yds, 7 TDs With Brady (7 games): 34 rec, 315 yds, 1 TD Gabe Davis – Pre-Brady (10 games): 33 rec, 490 yds, 5 TDs With Brady (7 games): 12 rec, 256 yds, 2 TDs Curtis Samuel – 31 receptions in 2024… after 64 and 62 the previous two seasons. Amari Cooper – 20 receptions in 2024… after 72 and 78 the previous two seasons. Elijah Moore – 9 receptions in 2025… after 61 and 59 the previous two seasons. Palmer – 22 receptions… after 39, 38, and 72 the previous three seasons. At some point it’s not the players — it’s the scheme. No receiver seems to survive in it. It was implemented to protect McDermott's turd-burger of a defense and to show that he can win without having a Diggs level talent. I'm fine balancing out the offense with more James Cook and the running game, but it went too far. It wasted Josh's talent and Terrys money. His defense was never going to play to the level of our QB. He tried his conservative nonsense to start most games and we saw the result. Once he let Josh open it up and get in rhythm, we saw the offense improve and pull out wins in the second half of games. He was also forced to attack more, and the defense looked better once they got away from his system. What a stubborn douche. Thank god Pegula finally grew the balls to kick his ass out the door before we all took another January field trip to the heart break hotel. The guy was just as arrogant as Bill Belichick without the smarts and football knowledge to back it up. 1 1 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: These are facts people will disregard, but they are facts. All that being said, the WR room obviously does need to get better, but even Elijah Moore stated "They don't throw to WR's there" when shrugging off the fact we lost 2 ahead of the Broncos game. The bigger issue is (as far as this offense goes) that we don't have that better talent to lean on in the moments we need to turn it up because we are behind the sticks or in the game. We got guys who can make plays, but it is the lack of someone who can consistently be effective when we need to push the ball more down field. This is why this offense still scores a lot of points but then in other moments can feel like it isn't good enough or things are just hard for it. Did he really say that? I dont blame him at all. Hope he gets a good season together somewhere 1 Quote
Buffalo Ballin Posted January 23 Posted January 23 The few times he does throw deep, Brandin Cooks lets the opposing defender rip it from his hands, for a pick. LOL. Anyways, dude, brahs. We moved on from McDermott because all coaching decisions end with him. All results start and end with McDermott. Now that he's gone, Brady and Babich needs to leave. Quote
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