One little subtle hint Pegula made in the presser on retaining Beane

[PoundingDog]

I know he went overboard in defending Beane in the presser yesterday, probably sensed the overall sentiment in the fan base, as well as the media overall. We may never know if he exaggerated the situation of Beane being pressed to draft Keon (reportedly the WR coach pounded the table for the pick), or Beane being the driving force in drafting Allen, but Pegula did mention some facts in Beane being able to surround him with good people. He pointed out Joe Schoen, Dan Morgan being GMs from Beane's staff. And Assistant GMs Gaine and Gray are well respected in NFL circle, interviewed for GM job in recent years. He didn't say it but you can check on McDermott's staff in the same period of time for a comparison.

 

Doug Whaley said on radio once that the reason he is not on any teams' staff is because for a lot of young GMs, a former GM on the staff is perceived as a threat, especially when things are not going well. Looks like Beane has no issue with that. Moving forward, Beane's ability to read people is very important, starting with the selection of the HC. We give him top mark for research, judgement on eventually selecting Allen, arguably the most important decision of his GM career at the time - also not popular with a lot of us and media at the time. His next critical decision is within the next few weeks where he needs to select the right coach. He's probably going to get a life time contract with the Bills if he aces this one.

[TheGhostofBruuuce]

First post from NC so go easy on me everybody.....

 

Where im at with all this is a bit different from what im seeing on the board here.  But when a team has as much success as we have had in the regular season the last decade you dont fire the GM. Its the GMs job to get you to the top and keep you at the top with the talent he assembles.  Beane has done that over and over again with literally no exception.

 

The idea he should also be responsible for not winning the big one.  Literally responsible for the outcome in any given game..... thats on the coach and the QB.

 

I think the argument being used against McDermott could just as easily be used against Josh.  Maybe the difference we "think" we could do better with a coach but we KNOW we couldnt with a QB. 

 

Either way I find it really odd how much heat Beane gets considering how over and over and over again we just keep staying good regardless of the versions of the other personnel andf the injuries we have.  Talent wins.  Weve had that here.

Edited January 22 by TheGhostofBruuuce
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[scuba guy]

2 minutes ago, TheGhostofBruuuce said:

First post from NC so go easy on me everybody.....

 

Where im at with all this is a bit different from what im seeing on the board here.  But when a team has as much success as we have had in the regular season the last decade you dont fire the GM. Its the GMs job to get you to the top and keep you at the top with the talent he assembles.  Beane has done that over and over again with literally no exception.

 

The idea he should also be responsible for not winning the big one.  Literally responsible for the outcome in any given game..... thats on the coach and the QB.

 

I think the argument being used against McDermott could just as easily be used against Josh.  Maybe the difference we "think" we could do better with a coach but we KNOW we couldnt with a QB. 

 

Either way I find it really odd how much heat Beane gets considering how over and over and over again we just keep staying good regardless of the versions of the other personnel andf the injuries we have.  Talent wins.  Weve had that here.

Welcome to the board rookie

[transient]

Beane tries to collect talent in the FO. After Rick Dennison as OC and Leslie Frazier as DC, McD, not so much. McD really could have used a peer as a DC. 

[gonzo1105]

5 minutes ago, TheGhostofBruuuce said:

First post from NC so go easy on me everybody.....

 

Where im at with all this is a bit different from what im seeing on the board here.  But when a team has as much success as we have had in the regular season the last decade you dont fire the GM. Its the GMs job to get you to the top and keep you at the top with the talent he assembles.  Beane has done that over and over again with literally no exception.

 

The idea he should also be responsible for not winning the big one.  Literally responsible for the outcome in any given game..... thats on the coach and the QB.

 

I think the argument being used against McDermott could just as easily be used against Josh.  Maybe the difference we "think" we could do better with a coach but we KNOW we couldnt with a QB. 

 

Either way I find it really odd how much heat Beane gets considering how over and over and over again we just keep staying good regardless of the versions of the other personnel andf the injuries we have.  Talent wins.  Weve had that here.

Welcome man , most of the board is pretty cool besides after Bills losses or firings haha 

[Mr. WEO]

All of the other reasons Whaley is not on any team's staff is that no FO thinks he's any good at whatever job he might seek.

 

He was a clown.  He never worked in the NFL again

[Simon]

7 minutes ago, TheGhostofBruuuce said:

First post from NC so go easy on me everybody.....

 

Get him!!!!

[BuffaloBillyG]

9 minutes ago, TheGhostofBruuuce said:

First post from NC so go easy on me everybody.....

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

6 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

Welcome man , most of the board is pretty cool besides after Bills losses or firings haha 

 

Yes this is not the place to be after a loss lol

[TheGhostofBruuuce]

I also have a tendency to think of this team in terms of the 90-93 teams

 

Polian, Levy, and hell of a squad...but couldnt win the big one

 

We ended up firing Polian after the third loss but he left and then had a great years in Carolina and another epic run in Indy.  The guy was a winner.  Everything he touched turned to gold in all 3 of his stops.  Finally got a SB after 20+ years but what a career of just immediate and susteained success..

 

Personally put me on team Beane.  For whatever comes next I want him front and center.

[jkeerie]

13 minutes ago, TheGhostofBruuuce said:

First post from NC so go easy on me everybody.....

 

Where im at with all this is a bit different from what im seeing on the board here.  But when a team has as much success as we have had in the regular season the last decade you dont fire the GM. Its the GMs job to get you to the top and keep you at the top with the talent he assembles.  Beane has done that over and over again with literally no exception.

 

The idea he should also be responsible for not winning the big one.  Literally responsible for the outcome in any given game..... thats on the coach and the QB.

 

I think the argument being used against McDermott could just as easily be used against Josh.  Maybe the difference we "think" we could do better with a coach but we KNOW we couldnt with a QB. 

 

Either way I find it really odd how much heat Beane gets considering how over and over and over again we just keep staying good regardless of the versions of the other personnel andf the injuries we have.  Talent wins.  Weve had that here.

Well, Rook, for your first game, I'd say you've at least doubled off the centerfield wall!  Nice post.

[Kirby Jackson]

14 minutes ago, TheGhostofBruuuce said:

First post from NC so go easy on me everybody.....

 

Where im at with all this is a bit different from what im seeing on the board here.  But when a team has as much success as we have had in the regular season the last decade you dont fire the GM. Its the GMs job to get you to the top and keep you at the top with the talent he assembles.  Beane has done that over and over again with literally no exception.

 

The idea he should also be responsible for not winning the big one.  Literally responsible for the outcome in any given game..... thats on the coach and the QB.

 

I think the argument being used against McDermott could just as easily be used against Josh.  Maybe the difference we "think" we could do better with a coach but we KNOW we couldnt with a QB. 

 

Either way I find it really odd how much heat Beane gets considering how over and over and over again we just keep staying good regardless of the versions of the other personnel andf the injuries we have.  Talent wins.  Weve had that here.

 

[colin]

there is an outside chance i soften up on brady as we learn that he had an arm or two tied behind his back by mcclap, but other than that (and kromer, who's departure make me reticent about keeping brady) not one coach that's come through mcd has had success, unless you count lez frash, who mcclap ran out of town and who had his own career to hang his hat on before all of this.

 

in terms of talent, who has a top to bottom better roster than us, including qb?

 

i'd say

baltimore (although that might change quickly as henry, andrews, roq smith, their giant DT w the african name, etc might be hurt/age out)

philly

detroit maybe

maybe seattle

new england maybe if you add some talent this off season

green bay?  feels marginal

rams maybe (def way better top shelf talent, not deep or possessing of a good middle class)

 

we are basically top 3 to top 8 in the nfl in terms of roster i think.  we are like 12-15 if we look at all teams without qb.

 

we beat two of the teams above, and coulda beat philly if the freaking kicker (a back up at that!) wasn't mangled up.  and that was a poorly played game.

 

if we can get our IOL departures replaced (i think our depth can do at least one of them) and add a top 10 type wr talent, i think we have the best offensive roster in the nfl.  we are currently i think number 2 or 3 overall on o talent. 

 

 

[Charles Romes]

It really wasn’t so subtle that Pegula called out Beane’s GM tree to highlight the absence of any McDermott coaching tree. I think we’d all be shocked or burst out laughing if Babich was called in for any HC interviews.  

[Draconator]

18 minutes ago, TheGhostofBruuuce said:

First post from NC so go easy on me everybody.....

If you choose Smirnoff over Tito's, we can't be friends.

[Saint Doug]

16 minutes ago, TheGhostofBruuuce said:

First post from NC so go easy on me everybody.....

 

Where im at with all this is a bit different from what im seeing on the board here.  But when a team has as much success as we have had in the regular season the last decade you dont fire the GM. Its the GMs job to get you to the top and keep you at the top with the talent he assembles.  Beane has done that over and over again with literally no exception.

 

The idea he should also be responsible for not winning the big one.  Literally responsible for the outcome in any given game..... thats on the coach and the QB.

 

I think the argument being used against McDermott could just as easily be used against Josh.  Maybe the difference we "think" we could do better with a coach but we KNOW we couldnt with a QB. 

 

Either way I find it really odd how much heat Beane gets considering how over and over and over again we just keep staying good regardless of the versions of the other personnel andf the injuries we have.  Talent wins.  Weve had that here.

But, has he really drafted talent? There was a tweet I saw over the last few days saying Beane has only drafted 2 All-Pros (Allen and Cook). That said, as we saw in the presser, it’s hard to distinguish who is drafting who. And it’s ultimately the coaching staff’s responsibility to develop players - so coaching could be blamed for why we lack All-Pros. 

[ddaryl]

7 minutes ago, TheGhostofBruuuce said:

I also have a tendency to think of this team in terms of the 90-93 teams

 

Polian, Levy, and hell of a squad...but couldnt win the big one

 

We ended up firing Polian after the third loss but he left and then had a great years in Carolina and another epic run in Indy.  The guy was a winner.  Everything he touched turned to gold in all 3 of his stops.  Finally got a SB after 20+ years but what a career of just immediate and susteained success..

 

Personally put me on team Beane.  For whatever comes next I want him front and center.

I hated it when let Polian go.... 

[MJS]

18 minutes ago, TheGhostofBruuuce said:

First post from NC so go easy on me everybody.....

 

Where im at with all this is a bit different from what im seeing on the board here.  But when a team has as much success as we have had in the regular season the last decade you dont fire the GM. Its the GMs job to get you to the top and keep you at the top with the talent he assembles.  Beane has done that over and over again with literally no exception.

 

The idea he should also be responsible for not winning the big one.  Literally responsible for the outcome in any given game..... thats on the coach and the QB.

 

I think the argument being used against McDermott could just as easily be used against Josh.  Maybe the difference we "think" we could do better with a coach but we KNOW we couldnt with a QB. 

 

Either way I find it really odd how much heat Beane gets considering how over and over and over again we just keep staying good regardless of the versions of the other personnel andf the injuries we have.  Talent wins.  Weve had that here.

Coaches can also elevate their roster, though. And I think McDermott clearly did that with the defense this year, and probably last year as well. The defense does not really have great talent. And some of the marked talent was injured.

 

So, yeah, I get what you are saying, but coaching can cover up the lack of talent on a roster, just like a franchise QB can cover up a lack of talent on offense or coaching.

 

I do think Beane has done a good job overall, but he continues to have a couple of black eyes in receiver and pass rusher. He has swung and missed far too much for those two positions. Does that mean he needs to be fired? Not necessarily, but he needs to get those right. And making the excuse that he can't because Josh Allen makes too much money really rubs me the wrong way. Other highly paid franchise QBs have way better receivers than we do.

[Ralonzo]

26 minutes ago, TheGhostofBruuuce said:

First post from NC so go easy on me everybody.....

 

Where im at with all this is a bit different from what im seeing on the board here.  But when a team has as much success as we have had in the regular season the last decade you dont fire the GM. Its the GMs job to get you to the top and keep you at the top with the talent he assembles.  Beane has done that over and over again with literally no exception.

 

The idea he should also be responsible for not winning the big one.  Literally responsible for the outcome in any given game..... thats on the coach and the QB.

 

I think the argument being used against McDermott could just as easily be used against Josh.  Maybe the difference we "think" we could do better with a coach but we KNOW we couldnt with a QB. 

 

Either way I find it really odd how much heat Beane gets considering how over and over and over again we just keep staying good regardless of the versions of the other personnel andf the injuries we have.  Talent wins.  Weve had that here.

 

 

Seriously, nothing I disagree with there.

Edited January 22 by Ralonzo

[Yobogoya!]

4 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

But, has he really drafted talent? There was a tweet I saw over the last few days saying Beane has only drafted 2 All-Pros (Allen and Cook). That said, as we saw in the presser, it’s hard to distinguish who is drafting who. And it’s ultimately the coaching staff’s responsibility to develop players - so coaching could be blamed for why we lack All-Pros. 

 

I'm going to be very interested to see what Groot and Oliver do in a new system, especially if we get into a more "attacking" style of defense as opposed to the soft contain of the McDermott era. 

 

Ford and Settle's performances before and after here certainly lead one to wonder if there's been a little something left on the table. Even Jerry Hughes had a "big" season at the end of his career the year after he left.