Walking Tall Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: yes. that's why you clean house. Disagree. I like the roster though I feel it certainly could be better. And, like I said in another post, where this franchise currently stands, you’d rather have Terry Pegula overseeing a GM and head coaching search or Brandon Beane overseeing a head coaching search. What you want is just not good business where the Bills currently are at. Edited January 21 by Walking Tall 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 21 Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Walking Tall said: Disagree. I like the roster though I feel it certainly could be better. And, like I said in another post, where this franchise currently stands, you’d rather have Terry Pegula overseeing a GM and head coaching search or Brandon Beane overseeing a head coaching search. What you want is just not good business where the Bills currently are at. the WRs can't get down the filed with separation, whiuch has completely changed this Offense. The secondary has 2 old timer retreads one decent CB and a bunch of liabilities and a rookie who can't stay upright. The Defensive front 7 has gotten 0 sacks in 7 playoff losses. 1 Quote
CapeBreton Posted January 21 Posted January 21 4 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: Example C Since then Beane has had 8 drafts (2018-2025) that have yielded 5 Pro Bowlers total. Allen, Edmunds, Knox, Cook and Teller. Wyatt Teller was cut by Beane, and made the Pro Bowl with Cleveland of all places. 4 offensive Pro Bowlers and 1 defensive Pro Bowler in eight years. Wouldn't McDermott be making the call on who makes the team? McDermott was handed Teller and deemed he wasn't worthy of making the team, so Beane had to trade him. 1 1 Quote
BillsfaninSB Posted January 21 Posted January 21 46 minutes ago, NORWOODS FOOT said: Because that’s the general perception. No one is entirely clear on the reality as far as I know 100%. We will never know. But no matter the degree of influence by the Coach or even the owner, it is the GMs job to own the draft from a public perception standpoint point. I personally believe Sean had a big influence. Larger than most coaches and it explains some of the goofy draft decisions like Basham, trading back with KC to get Keon, the defensive draft last year, etc. When Beane is unleashed he gets trades done like the Allen shell game in 2018. Trading up for Kincaid to screw Dallas. Everyone gets a pass for Elam in my opinion. Bills were in a bad spot. Unless Sean preferred Elam and handcuffed Beane from getting McDuffie. 2 Quote
NORWOODS FOOT Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Are you sure? From all thats coming out, McDermott had a lot of say in the draft To be honest, I’m not sure at all. What I am sure of is that the duo wasn’t good enough to capitalize on having Allen. I wish we would have just cleaned house and had a fresh start. That said, I can also understand Pegulas’ reluctance to do it. That would put so much on his plate. He is older, has an ailing wife, etc. 1 Quote
RocCityRoller Posted January 21 Author Posted January 21 4 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The guy got NINE seasons. That’s like a life and a half as an NFLhead coach. Do not feel bad for this man. And I guarantee he had his hands in every aspect of this organization. You don’t have to run him through the mud but the pity party has to stop I think you missed the point of my post. I did say many times McDermott deserved to be replaced. However, blaming him for all the bad draft choices and FA signings was overboard. It's like kicking a horse when it is already down. I'm sorry that was not clear. Quote
RocCityRoller Posted January 21 Author Posted January 21 4 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: We don't know if this is true, though. If it is true, then it isn't scapegoating. We really don't know who truly had the power and final say. Obviously, no one really knows except those inside the room. In my mind, McDermott picked the defensive guys and Beane picked the offensive guys. They picked Josh together. The 2017 draft wasn't really great. Yielding Dion, Milano, and Tre is awesome. But he traded down and gave Mahomes away to KC. He also traded up for Zay Jones and took him ahead of JuJu Smith-Shuster, Cooper Kupp and Chris Godwin. He also delivered us Nathan Peterman. Show me another draft in Bills history with 3 Pro Bowlers/ All Pros. The 1985 draft landed 2 (Bruce Smith/ Andre Reed) and some role players, and is considered among the best Bills draft ever. I'll be happy to be wrong, show me the other Bills drafts with 2 or more ProBowl/ All pro selections.... The 2017 draft was made with a lame duck GM/ a rookie HC and some scouts Quote
RocCityRoller Posted January 21 Author Posted January 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, Southern McButterpants said: That's Admiral Sean. Edited January 21 by RocCityRoller 1 3 Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted January 21 Posted January 21 6 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Show me another draft in Bills history with 3 Pro Bowlers/ All Pros. The 1985 draft landed 2 (Bruce Smith/ Andre Reed) and some role players, and is considered among the best Bills draft ever. I'll be happy to be wrong, show me the other Bills drafts with 2 or more ProBowl/ All pro selections.... The 2017 draft was made with a lame duck GM/ a rookie HC and some scouts I would definitely point to that 2018 draft with Josh, Tremaine, Harrison Phillips, Taron Johnson and Wyatt Teller. Probably the best draft they have had. And I understand your point, I just don't think 2017 was amazing. I also think they left a lot of meat on the bone there. 1 Quote
RocCityRoller Posted January 21 Author Posted January 21 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I would definitely point to that 2018 draft with Josh, Tremaine, Harrison Phillips, Taron Johnson and Wyatt Teller. Probably the best draft they have had. And I understand your point, I just don't think 2017 was amazing. I also think they left a lot of meat on the bone there. 2018 was a good draft. Hard to blame a rookie HC and no GM for not getting 4 Pro Bowl/ All Pro level guys. Beane regressed and got promoted, and Sean is getting blamed for it on the way out. Edited January 21 by RocCityRoller 1 Quote
billsfan89 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Show me another draft in Bills history with 3 Pro Bowlers/ All Pros. The 1985 draft landed 2 (Bruce Smith/ Andre Reed) and some role players, and is considered among the best Bills draft ever. I'll be happy to be wrong, show me the other Bills drafts with 2 or more ProBowl/ All pro selections.... The 2017 draft was made with a lame duck GM/ a rookie HC and some scouts The 2017 draft was a fantastic draft, but I also feel like the Bills also being in a rebuilding phase in 2017 and 2018 where McD was clearing a lot of dead cap from the Rex Ryan era led to McD playing a lot of younger unproven players heavy snaps which led to them developing a lot of younger players. The 2022 draft even with a 1st round pick bust is also looking like an All time draft. Cook is a stud RB with three 1k seasons and a rushing title. Benford is a very good corner, Shakir a very good slot WR, and Bernard a solid LB. That's 4 starting caliber or better players in one draft including One Pro-Bowl/All-Pro and one borderline Pro-Bowl caliber talent. The Bills drafting since 2019 post Josh has been good, not great at times but good. The Bills also drafting from 2020 onwards as a playoff slotted team has to be factored in. I think the Bills larger issues tend to be the scheme of McD's defense was poor at the WR evaluation and acquisition was not good from 2022 onward. Quote
Arkansasrifle Posted January 21 Posted January 21 4 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The guy got NINE seasons. That’s like a life and a half as an NFLhead coach. Do not feel bad for this man. And I guarantee he had his hands in every aspect of this organization. You don’t have to run him through the mud but the pity party has to stop Plus he will get another big payday next gig! Quote
Buffalo716 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 The press conference was disgusting lol Literally took me from no faith to less than no faith I wouldn't trust either of those two dudes at the podium as far as I could throw them Terry is a snake oil salesman and bb right him 1 Quote
machine gun kelly Posted January 21 Posted January 21 It was criminal the blaming of McD today, and the question to Pegula is if this was such a problem why didn’t you fix it? They each independently reported to the owner. Quote
gregmo Posted January 21 Posted January 21 All I can say about this is look at the Sabres - Kevyn Adams - how long did that go because Terry loved his GM? Beane should have been sacked; we all know that. Quote
gregmo Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 4 hours ago, Einstein said: Terry was quite clear today. As posted elsewhere. Catch and down by contact vs intercepted. No clue. Not McDermott's fault. Edited January 22 by gregmo Quote
Freak-O Posted January 22 Posted January 22 I don’t think we should underestimate the culture he built here. Players liked being here. If we lose that family mentality we lose a lot. 1 Quote
Guns N' Rosen Posted January 22 Posted January 22 11 hours ago, Yobogoya! said: That’s definitely not true.. maybe it would be more accurate to say “no sack when it matters.” We never got pressure in crunch time. Plus sacks on early downs worked against us— cuz McD’s philosophy was to back off on third and long and play soft. If I never have to see that again in my life it will be too soon. The mid-game prevent D 🤮🤮🤮 I'm with ya in NEVER wanting to see ANY philosophy which can be summed up as playing "not to lose" vs playing "to win" 1 hour ago, Freak-O said: I don’t think we should underestimate the culture he built here. Players liked being here. If we lose that family mentality we lose a lot. Winning Would make a tight AF family out of orphaned strangers IMO 1 hour ago, Freak-O said: I don’t think we should underestimate the culture he built here. Players liked being here. If we lose that family mentality we lose a lot. Winning Would make a tight AF family out of orphaned strangers IMO 11 hours ago, Avisan said: That part isn't true either, the Bills have had several sacks in playoff losses. The "problem" is that they were due to blitzes etc. and our front 4 routinely struggle to get home to the QB. Especially troublesome in that a HUGE portion of talent acquisition was essentially wasted on implementing a strategy which FAILED when it mastered most All of those DL picks and FA signings did very little to impact games when said games were on the line Quote
Behindenemylines Posted January 22 Posted January 22 I didn’t even need to read most of this post. The title was enough McD did some great things for Buffalo but couldn’t do enough. It wasn’t in his DNA to get us over the hump. Just the way it is and years of repeat performances prove that. most people who don’t deal with these decisions daily and honestly most who do fail immediately on one simple principle. They don’t have the Balls to make the hard decisions and it’s usually related to this very thing…someone is too bad to keep but too good to throw away. Doesn’t mean he’s not a good guy. Or will not be successful in a different circumstance. Just means he’s not right any longer for Buffalo. he was the HEAD COACH! His responsibility to win us a championship end of story. wish him the best but he was given three years more than he should have been to get us there and failed in the same fashion each time. Quote
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