McDermott is now getting scapegoated for bad drafts and personnel decisions...

[RocCityRoller]

27 minutes ago, 1962 said:

A lot of speculation about who said what and who is responsible for falling short  of the expectations Josh Allen provides. Terry Pegula has shown he’s nothing if not patient. His handling of the Sabres GM situation and their recent success probably influenced his decision on McDermott. The Bills are moving into a new stadium and with the upcoming draft getting rid of the GM would result in an unstable situation for ownership. I think Beane is on a one year prove it deal. 

I really was hoping this was the case, and would agree with it.

 

But the Beane promotion tells me otherwise. There is some hope though.

 

If Beane as President of Football Operations means that he hires a GM, has a role in hiring scouts, coaches and anlysts. I am ok with that.

I do not want Beane drafting my players or finding/signing mid to top tier FA.

[Walking Tall]

46 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

We know for a fact McDermott was in charge in 2017. How did that pan out? Pretty well.

How has it been since? Bad.

 

But blame the guy who was successful...

 

We will soon see who was responsible.

The Bills NEEDED a QB in 2017 and passed on Patrick Mahomes. You never should pass on a franchise QB when you don’t have one. Ask John Elway.

 

Beane came in, acquired further draft capital necessary, and luckily got Allen the next year. If Beane wasn’t able to pull that off how would you feel about passing on Mahomes?

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Just now, uticaclub said:

Most of our busts were on the defensive side of the ball because that is where we allocated most of our draft picks and FA money. Coleman & Ford were offense busts and Dalton Bandaid isn’t exactly a reliable player

 

Yes but who was pushing for these players? 

 

As for Kincaid how can a coach or GM or anybody be blamed for picking a guy who ends up getting hurt unless he has a long injury history.  His last two years in college he played 14 and 12 games, so don't seem anything there.  Yes he's been hurt a lot, but no history last two seasons in college.  That's just bad luck or could be the Bills training or strength department, but those folks report to the coach, not GM which could explain why Beane wanted the coaching staff to ultimately report to him now.

 

Before any of this happened, I felt Beane should go and keep McD, but after everything I've read ion past two days, I'm now leaning towards this was the right thing.  Will they get the right coach, that's more luck than anything.  I'm sure it will be an bright offensive mind, but that doesn't translate to him becoming a great HC and that was also the biggest reason I wanted to keep McD as he has too good of a track record to find someone better.  The margin for improvement is small.

[RocCityRoller]

12 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

Exactly, there was an article in Monday's Buff News implying that. One good point it made too, while certainly not 100% true, more of the flop draft picks and even free agency signings were on the defensive side of the ball. 

 

The other point made was the one person in the room when these picks were made was Pegula.  That may be why he dumped McD and kept Beane as he knows first hand that McD lobbied for many of these choices.  Ultimately Beane made the picks and that's why so many people nationally who don't have the inside scoop are blasting them for keeping Beane, but the picks could have been made with McD pounding the table for certain players and characteristics.

 

Add to that the fact that both McD and Beane reported to Pegula would give the coach more say in the picks than normal.

It was a flawed set up for certain.

 

I again point to when McDermott did have full control in 2017

 

White

Milano

Poyer

Hyde

Dawkins

 

Since then?

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

9 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The guy got NINE seasons. That’s like a life and a half as an NFLhead coach. Do not feel bad for this man. And I guarantee he had his hands in every aspect of this organization. You don’t have to run him through the mud but the pity party has to stop

 

Thank you; the pity party is ad nauseum at this point.  He had his run, he did great things for the organization, but his success (and Beane's) is primarily connected to Josh Allen.  He failed to coach this team to a Superbowl (which were all capable) for a variety of reasons, but the Bottom Line this he had nine seasons, and probably had a longer leash than most coaches!

Edited January 21 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[RocCityRoller]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

But would Beane want to extend Bernard and Rousseau?

 

Would he want to draft Landon Jackson and TJ Sanders?

 

McDermott likely told him this is what we need and these are the players/archetypes we need. 
 

Then Beane goes into the Draft with the knowledge and makes the picks he deems best, but it’s clear most of his draft picks … especially on Defensive Front 7, fit the McD archetypes. 

We will soon find out.

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said:

Now the narrative being promoted is that McDermott was the ring leader, and Beane was helpless in the draft and FA.

It doesn't pass the sniff test, it's total BS.

 

We don't know if this is true, though. If it is true, then it isn't scapegoating. We really don't know who truly had the power and final say. Obviously, no one really knows except those inside the room. In my mind, McDermott picked the defensive guys and Beane picked the offensive guys. They picked Josh together. 

 

The 2017 draft wasn't really great. Yielding Dion, Milano, and Tre is awesome. But he traded down and gave Mahomes away to KC. He also traded up for Zay Jones and took him ahead of JuJu Smith-Shuster, Cooper Kupp and Chris Godwin. He also delivered us Nathan Peterman.

[saundena]

8 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

That's just bad luck or could be the Bills training or strength department, but those folks report to the coach, not GM which could explain why Beane wanted the coaching staff to ultimately report to him now.

 

 

 

Potentially not true.  Is was reported in Locked on Bills that the trainers reported to Beane, which is why Sean apparently, didn't always have updates when asked about injuries

Edited January 21 by saundena

[RocCityRoller]

10 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The guy got NINE seasons. That’s like a life and a half as an NFLhead coach. Do not feel bad for this man. And I guarantee he had his hands in every aspect of this organization. You don’t have to run him through the mud but the pity party has to stop

I agree it was time to move on. It was time to move on 2-3 years ago. He went from Dungy or Reid to Shottenheimer in that period of time.

 

But

 

The half @ssed release statement with a bunch of typos (admiral job) and then the Bills and social media blaming him for the failure of draft picks when he told the owner and GM the team lacked talent, is petty and foolish. The whole point of my rant.

 

How many coaches say they lack talent if they are responsible for the draft picks???

This is the thing a lot of fans fail to piece together and admit.

 

Yes McDermott had to go, but so did Beane.

[saundena]

1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

How many coaches say they lack talent if they are responsible for the draft picks???

This is the thing a lot of fans fail to piece together and admit.

Excellent point

[Rockpile233]

It was completely appropriate for McDermott to be let go, but I find this narrative emerging that he was micromanaging roster construction to smell like BS.

 

He obviously wanted a receiver at the deadline and Beane didn’t deliver. There is probably some credence to that on the defensive side of the ball, but I’m sure most coaches get collaborative input.
 

Again I think McD and his failed defense had to go, but this narrative seems like Beane passing the buck. 
 

 

[Ballhawk]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

That is not true. We have gotten sacks. A quick google search will tell you the defense has recorded 29 since 2019. 

...and yet I can't seem to recall a single one of those 29? Must have been some garbage time sacks, lol.

[RocCityRoller]

9 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said:

It was completely appropriate for McDermott to be let go, but I find this narrative emerging that he was micromanaging roster construction to smell like BS.

 

He obviously wanted a receiver at the deadline and Beane didn’t deliver. There is probably some credence to that on the defensive side of the ball, but I’m sure most coaches get collaborative input.
 

Again I think McD and his failed defense had to go, but this narrative seems like Beane passing the buck. 
 

 

thank you for stating it more succinctly than I did

 

McD had to go, but putting all the blame on him is preposterous and a slight to a top 3 coach in Bills History.

[nuklz2594]

just a big pissing match. wait until all the dirty laundry is out

[RocCityRoller]

So this was the guy in charge of personnel...

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-terry-pegula-brandon-beane-werent-pleased-with-sean-mcdermotts-concerns-about-talent?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

[billsfan89]

I will say it is very possible that McD is being blamed for Beanes mistakes but I also think it’s possible the coach is to blame for the flaws in roster construction. You kind of just have to in the building to really know

[skibum]

You can't just cherry pick all the good personnel moves and credit them to McDermott, and then blame all the bad ones on Beane. As fans, we have no idea what really goes on behind the scenes. 

[Walking Tall]

1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

We know for a fact McDermott was in charge in 2017. How did that pan out? Pretty well.

How has it been since? Bad.

 

But blame the guy who was successful...

 

We will soon see who was responsible.

And…..like I said, McDermott has heavy input in player personnel. As do most head coaches in the NFL.

[transient]

34 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

It was a flawed set up for certain.

 

I again point to when McDermott did have full control in 2017

 

White

Milano

Poyer

Hyde

Dawkins

 

Since then?

Lots of holes to fill in 2017 meant lots of flexibility in picks. One of the things that I initially thought with Beane was that he was a BPA guy in the draft because he would attempt to address the teams obvious holes prior to the draft. The early round picks never seemed BPA, they seemed very need focused. Picking late in rounds is not a great way to address needs when there is probably more talent at a different position if you went BPA. Take 2022. The rumor was the Bills were targeting McDuffie. When KC scooped them they should have gone BPA, instead they traded up and went with Elam. The heart of the matter is whose call was that? It may not have been McD saying get me Elam, but it could have been McD saying I need a CB despite being told there is better value at other positions.

[HamptonBillsfan]

Classic last man standing law of the jungle type of mentality being expressed by Beane. Someone had to take possession of the team’s futility in the playoffs and Sean was the logical choice. The roster was always lacking since Diggs left and Beane’s inability to manage the cap correctly ( extending the wrong guys, overpaying the wrong FAs) or manage the draft successfully was the reason. Now how much Sean and the scouting department are responsible are a moot point because it all falls under the per view of the GM.