billieve420 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 To me Daboll would make sense if we could bring in Belicheck to become HC. Daboll would be the OC and essentially be groomed to take over for Bill once he retires. I don't know how I feel about Daboll getting the HC job straight out the gate. I wouldn't mind Belicheck on shorter term deal if we could have say in who the OC is. Quote
Avisan Posted January 21 Posted January 21 10 minutes ago, mrod81 said: Perhaps it had a bit to do with the Indy OL compared against the NYG OL rather than the QB. "Daboll ran his competent QB out of town because the Giants had a crappy offensive line" is really not a great defense of Daboll 1 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted January 21 Author Posted January 21 30 minutes ago, Avisan said: Broke his leg in the week 12 loss to KC, went out with the Achilles in week 14 FYI. Was on pace for ~32 total TDs, which would have put him tied for 7th. They lost 3 out of his last 4 games. They lost the division lead while he was at QB. He would not have stopped it if he remained healthy. Quote
LetsGoRed Posted January 21 Posted January 21 There's a lot of romanticizing of Daboll's time here, when so many people were griping about how stale and frustrating his play calling was towards the end of his time in Buffalo. His biggest achievement as head coach was getting an underperforming, mostly talentless roster to the playoffs, winning the wild card game, and crashing out of the divisional round. Gee, that sounds familiar. It's been made clear by our own front office that that performance is not good enough. After his playoff appearance, Daboll never got his team back to the playoffs, nor even close to a winning record. 2 1 Quote
LarryMadman Posted January 21 Posted January 21 IDK if Daboll is the answer but after the first year in NY, kind of similar to McDermotts first year here, a playoff berth, it all went south real quick. He didnt have the luxury of Josh Allen at QB to keep his head above water as Jones stinks no matter what he did in Indy. I also think he jumped at the job because of the friction him and McD had and at the time the Giants org was a mess and he couldnt right the ship and ultimatly let go. 1 Quote
The Jokeman Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Who are we requesting this from? The guy doesn't have a job now. Either way this is one I don't like as he's been a pretty bad coach most of his career with the only exception was his time here and first year with the Giants. Yet we all so how that finished and how well Daniel Jones did in Indy after leaving NY. Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 11 minutes ago, billieve420 said: To me Daboll would make sense if we could bring in Belicheck to become HC. Daboll would be the OC and essentially be groomed to take over for Bill once he retires. I don't know how I feel about Daboll getting the HC job straight out the gate. I wouldn't mind Belicheck on shorter term deal if we could have say in who the OC is. BB has been awful for like 5 years now. He is also being controlled by a 25 year old. It’s wild some people think that dirty grandpa is still a viable candidate. and firing the 2nd best coach in bulls history to replace him with a 20-40 coach who’s team hates him by the end would be so billsy. oC to Tomlin sure. No to head coach. Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said: I have too believe he is at the top of the list. I will not go so far as to say it’s his job to lose. I would not be shocked if he gets the job. Boy I hope not as he was a hot mess with the Giants. He has some real anger issues and doesn't get along with anybody. 1 Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 11 minutes ago, LetsGoRed said: There's a lot of romanticizing of Daboll's time here, when so many people were griping about how stale and frustrating his play calling was towards the end of his time in Buffalo. His biggest achievement as head coach was getting an underperforming, mostly talentless roster to the playoffs, winning the wild card game, and crashing out of the divisional round. Gee, that sounds familiar. It's been made clear by our own front office that that performance is not good enough. After his playoff appearance, Daboll never got his team back to the playoffs, nor even close to a winning record. Yup. Also, Brady (who harts way too much criticism) oversaw an offense that scored more points than an Daboll offense with less talent. 1 Quote
Beck Water Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, QCity said: and here we go! I have no issues with pairing Dabs with Josh. But he would have to hit an absolute grand slam home run with his DC. 1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said: I have too believe he is at the top of the list. I will not go so far as to say it’s his job to lose. I would not be shocked if he gets the job. This would be a bad, bad, bad, bad move. There is too much smoke here for there not to be fire. https://giantswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2024/06/28/ex-new-york-giants-coach-on-brian-daboll-we-were-all-trying-to-get-out/79593871007/ Quote Raanan also detailed previously unknown incidents where Daboll melted down, screaming at Martindale over random media reports. Expert NFL picks: Exclusive betting insights only at USA TODAY. "So, you think I'm a clown?" Daboll yelled, according to multiple sources who saw or heard about the altercation. The Giants head coach was referencing a report from former NFL scout and host of the "3 and Out" podcast John Middlekauff that suggested the coaching staff "can't stand" him. Many have assumed that the crux of the coaching conflict was specific to Daboll and Martindale, as well as his trusted assistants, Drew and Kevin Wilkins, but Raanan reports that the rot spread much further than that. Sources close to the situation said that Martindale, along with several other coaches on both sides of the ball, had grown tired of Daboll's frequent outbursts. Daboll's staff felt he'd stopped listening and there was constant "finger-pointing," multiple team sources told ESPN. "It was like, 'Are we on the same team?' It sure doesn't feel like it," one coach said. As tensions grew, general manager Joe Schoen eventually hopped on the headset to listen to in-game communications last season. He dismissed it as something he "always wanted to do" and nothing more. However, several assistants noticed a significant change in Daboll when he knew Schoen was listening. "You could tell when (Schoen was on the headset) because Dabes' demeanor was totally different," one non-defensive coach told Raanan. Quote The Giants suffered one of the worst collapses in NFL history against the Broncos in Week 7. New York blew second-half leads of 19-0 and 26-8, and gave up 33 points in the fourth quarter. Jaxson Dart was devastated. Bo Nix was elated. Brian Daboll was furious. The Giants coach threw a standard fit by throwing his headset after Wil Lutz's game-winning kick went through the uprights as the Giants dropped to 2-5 on the season. Mad Brian Daboll. His Giants let the Broncos score 33 points in the fourth quarter. pic.twitter.com/TNDeS2sHcy — Jordan Dajani (@JordanDajani) October 19, 2025 Duality of man pic.twitter.com/MsdtqcMNuE — NFL on CBS 🏈 (@NFLonCBS) October 19, 2025 Who didn't see that reaction coming? In his fourth season as head coach of the Giants, Daboll now has a record of 20-37-1. At this point he has throwing his headset down to a science. Last season, during another game where kicking injuries doomed the Giants and they lost on a last-second field goal, Daboll smashed his headset. At least his latest temper tantrum wasn't directed at a healthcare professional the way it was last week when he tried to hurry Jaxson Dart back to the field while he was being evaluated for a concussion. Neither the theatrics or the results are helping Daboll at this point. Next week the team will face an Eagles team coming off a win and looking for revenge for a loss on Thursday night two weeks ago. This isn't new stuff https://redright88.com/2011/11/26/the-education-of-colt-mccoy/ Quote According to Silver, Daboll had a special plan for McCoy: In what became a running joke in the Browns’ locker room, Daboll disparaged McCoy loudly and relentlessly – sometimes to his face, sometimes through the earpiece in the quarterback’s helmet. Another time, says one Browns offensive player, “It was during a walk through, and they chose Colt to stand in at fullback, for whatever reason. I guess he kind of ran the wrong route; how the hell should he know what the fullback was supposed to run? Daboll flipped out. Colt was livid. He’d never had a coach talk to him like that.” Several Browns recalled a meeting early in the 2010 season in which Daboll told McCoy, “I just watched [tape of] your last college game, and you were terrible. What the hell were you throwing out there? That was one of the worst games I’ve ever seen. Why the [expletive] did we draft you?” Now we’re getting somewhere. With team president Mike Holmgren and general manager Tom Heckert calling the shots, the power base of coach Eric Mangini and Daboll had dwindled. Unable to talk back to the bosses, Daboll decided to pick on the Holmgren-selected rookie quarterback instead. Because that’s what bullies do, and there’s no way to classify Daboll as anything other than a bully. “The simple reason (people bully) is it shows that they have power over others,” according to Marlene Snyder, Development Director for the Olweus Bullying Prevention Program in the United States, based in Clemson, S.C. “The reason that they do it repeatedly is that they are getting away with it. Nobody is calling them on their bad behavior (nice leadership from Mangini, there). When they aren’t called on it they think, ‘Well, it must be O.K.’ Josh even has a story of Daboll yelling at him through the headphones relentlessly, and reportedly Daboll was sent to the booth because he was having trouble moving on to focus on the next play or next series when he had access to players on the sideline. He had a horrendous record as a Giants head coach and you can't pack it all to "it's a bad organization". There is talent in that building, and Daniel Jones succeeding in Indy is one of the best arguments against Daboll as a talent developer. If that's not enough for you, there was tension between McDermott and Daboll because we had no run game that was not called "Josh Allen". Someone, I think it might have been @BADOLBILZ, wrote something to the effect that Brian Daboll worked his way to a HC position by running the hell out of Josh Allen to the detriment of his physical condition and probably his career longevity. When teams managed to shut our passing game down (see Jacksonville), we had no answers. And when more and more teams were able to copy what successful teams did against our offense, Daboll seemingly failed to evolve. Edited January 21 by Beck Water 1 1 1 Quote
Augie Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: From Joe Marino From Joe Marino What's up, Bills Mafia!? The Bills' first interview requests have been announced, including Brian Daboll, Joe Brady, and Anthony Lynn. Brady and Daboll were expected; Lynn is a bit of a surprise. Will break these down on the pod. GO BILLS! Don’t feel bad, your invitation is in the mail. How do you feel about the WR position? Is that important to you? 1 Quote
Virgil Posted January 21 Posted January 21 From everything I've heard, including comments made by Mitch Morse, Daboll's erratic behavior can do some real damage to the culture here. Not to mention terrible clock management and tons of blown leads. Basically, Harbaugh without the success. 2 1 Quote
Augie Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 minute ago, Beck Water said: This would be a bad, bad, bad, bad move. There is too much smoke here for there not to be fire. https://giantswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2024/06/28/ex-new-york-giants-coach-on-brian-daboll-we-were-all-trying-to-get-out/79593871007/ This isn't new stuff https://redright88.com/2011/11/26/the-education-of-colt-mccoy/ Josh even has a story of Daboll yelling at him through the headphones relentlessly, and reportedly Daboll was sent to the booth because he was having trouble moving on to focus on the next play or next series when he had access to players on the sideline. He had a horrendous record as a Giants head coach and you can't pack it all to "it's a bad organization". There is talent in that building, and Daniel Jones succeeding in Indy is one of the best arguments against Daboll as a talent developer. If that's not enough for you, there was tension between McDermott and Daboll because we had no run game that was not called "Josh Allen". Someone, I think it might have been @BADOLBILZ, wrote something to the effect that Brian Daboll worked his way to a HC position by running the hell out of Josh Allen to the detriment of his physical condition and probably his career longevity. When teams managed to shut our passing game down (see Jacksonville), we had no answers. People show you who they are. Believe them. Quote
dpberr Posted January 21 Posted January 21 My biggest concern with the Bills hiring Daboll is that he will struggle to find quality assistants who'll want to work with him. His tenure as NYG HC had all of the telltale signs of a toxic workplace. 1 Quote
LarryMadman Posted January 21 Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: This would be a bad, bad, bad, bad move. There is too much smoke here for there not to be fire. https://giantswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2024/06/28/ex-new-york-giants-coach-on-brian-daboll-we-were-all-trying-to-get-out/79593871007/ This isn't new stuff https://redright88.com/2011/11/26/the-education-of-colt-mccoy/ Josh even has a story of Daboll yelling at him through the headphones relentlessly, and reportedly Daboll was sent to the booth because he was having trouble moving on to focus on the next play or next series when he had access to players on the sideline. He had a horrendous record as a Giants head coach and you can't pack it all to "it's a bad organization". There is talent in that building, and Daniel Jones succeeding in Indy is one of the best arguments against Daboll as a talent developer. If that's not enough for you, there was tension between McDermott and Daboll because we had no run game that was not called "Josh Allen". Someone, I think it might have been @BADOLBILZ, wrote something to the effect that Brian Daboll worked his way to a HC position by running the hell out of Josh Allen to the detriment of his physical condition and probably his career longevity. When teams managed to shut our passing game down (see Jacksonville), we had no answers. Had no run game because Singletary was very slow and just not good enough, he's maybe half what Cook is. Quote
Beck Water Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 15 minutes ago, LarryMadman said: IDK if Daboll is the answer but after the first year in NY, kind of similar to McDermotts first year here, a playoff berth, it all went south real quick. He didnt have the luxury of Josh Allen at QB to keep his head above water as Jones stinks no matter what he did in Indy. I also think he jumped at the job because of the friction him and McD had and at the time the Giants org was a mess and he couldnt right the ship and ultimatly let go. I don't think Daniel Jones is the next Josh Allen or even Temu Josh Allen. But he was a capable QB in his 2019 rookie season with Pat Shurmur as HC and Mike Shula as OC (two competent, QB friendly coaches) Then the wheels fell off under Joe Judge, Jason Garrett, and Freddie Kitchens. Started out OK with Daboll/Kafka then Daboll Dysfunction took over. Put him with a decent OC in Jim Bob Cooter and the wheels went back on. I don't think Jones stinks. I see him as a Sam Bradford/Sam Darnold/Nick Foles kind of guy. He's not "The Franchise", but he's a QB you can win with if you know what you're doing offensively and work with him. I feel strongly about this: Brian Daboll is NOT the answer and hiring him would be a horrible move, I don't care how charming he is during an interview and how fondly Josh thinks of him. Edited January 21 by Beck Water 2 Quote
LarryMadman Posted January 21 Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, dpberr said: My biggest concern with the Bills hiring Daboll is that he will struggle to find quality assistants who'll want to work with him. His tenure as NYG HC had all of the telltale signs of a toxic workplace. and you know this how? 1 Quote
Bills!Win! Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Peak Josh Allen happened when Daboll was here. Run around the field and try and make miracles happen Josh Allen was when Brady and Dorsey were here Quote
Beck Water Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Virgil said: From everything I've heard, including comments made by Mitch Morse, Daboll's erratic behavior can do some real damage to the culture here. Not to mention terrible clock management and tons of blown leads. Basically, Harbaugh without the success. IMHO Brian Daboll isn't fit to lick John Harbaugh's shoesoles. Harbaugh is disciplined and measured, if tough. Daboll is a wet mess. 3 minutes ago, LarryMadman said: and you know this how? I posted some links. Reportedly Daboll's demeanor in meetings and practices, even on the sideliknes, was just abusive to his coaching assistants. Wink Martindale, a guy with some coaching chops, wouldn't take it so Daboll fired his assistants to get him to leave. Mike Kafka was reportedly willing to take a lateral move to get out of there. There's too much of this and it's following Daboll around enough for there not to be something to it. Edited January 21 by Beck Water Quote
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