Dialing in on the Beane/Pegula - McDermott Roster Disagreement meeting.

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, MiltonWaddams said:

It stinks of BS. It didn’t happen.

Idk. Beane and mcdermotts comments throughout the year seem like something happened between them and was about the roster. 

[transient]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

“5 weeks ago” would have been the week after the Bills had the huge comeback in New England. Would have been very odd timing. 

It also depends on when the initial quote was from and whether or not the timeline was updated to reflect that. 

[JMM]

2 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

It stinks of BS. It didn’t happen.

Normally I would agree. However this came from Vic Carucci a HOF reporter with the Bills for years and years. 

[Ballhawk]

3 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

It stinks of BS. It didn’t happen.

I don't know. If McDermott understood that it was Super Bowl or bust for him this year then that makes some sense. As if to say, look this is what I need or the GM as the problem. 

 

Problem is, as with most companies in corporate America, those nearest the top are best at protecting their power (Beane>McDermott)

[Lake Ontario]

Let's remember Terry is an engineer and not super polished and comfortable with public speaking.  I have to think about what he said in totality:  After observing the players' devastation, he feels like maybe we have hit "a playoff wall."  He then listed the nicknames of the most painful endings we all wear as scars.  I respect that he thinks he has to try and change the formula while we still have Josh with some of his prime remaining.  After all, the definition of insanity...

On the roster point however, the very fact that Jalen Hurts has a ring and Sam Darnold has a really good chance at one this year (for example) is a direct rebuttal to saying our roster is championship quality.  Neither of them can hold Josh's jockstrap talent-wise but have a better roster to get them to the promised land.  It's very sad to see Sean fired as this is a cold business.  This next hire is so huge.

[somnus00]

While I think there's a shred of truth to this story, there's no way McDermott actually said, "I can't win a superbowl with this team."

[Augie]

4 hours ago, boater said:

Remember, we're relying on the recollection of "sources"  ..unnamed sources at that.

 

…and nobody knows the agenda of these mysterious unnamed sources. 

 

I can’t put too much stock in any of it without knowing more. The bottom line is, this had better be better than what we had, and so far it’s looking like a finger pointing mess. 

3 minutes ago, somnus00 said:

While I think there's a shred of truth to this story, there's no way McDermott actually said, "I can't win a superbowl with this team."

 

You can take “we need a #1WR” and twist that any way you want. Beane, the guy who didn’t produce one, is now in charge of the narrative. What do you expect?  

[Mikie2times]

Given how he responded to these types of questions in the press, it didn't need to happen. Which is pretty crazy TBH. Even if true, if I ever failed at my job, discussing that it was the lack of resources I was given would be a guaranteed exit. 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

Given how he responded to these types of questions in the press, it didn't need to happen. Which is pretty crazy TBH. Even if true, if I ever failed at my job, discussing that it was the lack of resources I was given would be a guaranteed exit. 

 

I’m guessing they were looking for an honest response, they just didn’t like it. Unfortunately, none of us will ever know how that meeting really went down, as only the survivors get to tell the tale right now. 

 

HOW you do it is the critical part, but even then sensitive ears will hear what they want and twist it as they want. 

[Einstein]

5 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

It stinks of BS. It didn’t happen.

 

Pegula essentially confirmed it happened.

 

He opened with a dialogue about how our roster is good enough.

[BuffaloMatt]

this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better

[Chaos]

6 hours ago, Lake Ontario said:

Let's remember Terry is an engineer and not super polished and comfortable with public speaking.  I have to think about what he said in totality:  After observing the players' devastation, he feels like maybe we have hit "a playoff wall."  He then listed the nicknames of the most painful endings we all wear as scars.  I respect that he thinks he has to try and change the formula while we still have Josh with some of his prime remaining.  After all, the definition of insanity...

On the roster point however, the very fact that Jalen Hurts has a ring and Sam Darnold has a really good chance at one this year (for example) is a direct rebuttal to saying our roster is championship quality.  Neither of them can hold Josh's jockstrap talent-wise but have a better roster to get them to the promised land.  It's very sad to see Sean fired as this is a cold business.  This next hire is so huge.

Or they had better coaching. That is what we are testing next

[SectionC3]

11 hours ago, Lagoon Blues said:

I am equally as curious about the Joe Brady blowing up on Brandon story

As I read the story Brady didn’t do it in front of Beane.  Blowing up ABOUT him?  Yes.  ON him? Not how I read it. 

[Woodman199]

6 hours ago, somnus00 said:

While I think there's a shred of truth to this story, there's no way McDermott actually said, "I can't win a superbowl with this team."

Ultimately the truth was in a meeting this week TP and Beane told McDermott "we can't win a Superbowl with you as our coach". That's the only fact we have on meetings 

Edited January 22 by Woodman199

[Jimmy Harris 69]

This “meeting” is rumour based on unnamed sources and speculation at best. The reasons for McDermott’s departure are five years in the making. He hasn’t won a championship and he pulled defeat from the jaws of victory in 2020. That was his most talented team, and he wasted it with bad coaching. This decision was not made suddenly, it has been coming. I myself, see McDermott as a good coach who has reached his sealing with this team. He like Chuck Knox, Jerry Glanville and Don Coryell won a lot of games but never a championship. Knox couldn’t beat Minnesota, Glanville couldn’t beat the Bills and Coryell couldn’t beat the Raiders or Cincinnati.Something had to give. I have believed for some time that Beane and McDermott were not on the same page in terms of building this roster. Players get signed and they don’t play despite a need for new talent. (Mike Edwards, Louis Cine, MVS, Laviska Chenault come to mind) This was inevitable, Beane’s survival is the lessor of two evils. A new GM might be tempted to do a full tear down. This guarantees he will rebuild around Josh with a win now mentality. 

Edited January 22 by Jimmy Harris 69

[K-9]

6 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better

In whose eyes? The media’s? The fans? 
 

Doesn’t matter. The Bills are moving on. As it should be. If the media and fans can’t, that’s their problem. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

13 hours ago, Lagoon Blues said:

I am equally as curious about the Joe Brady blowing up on Brandon story

Do you have a link to this story?

[hondo in seattle]

11 hours ago, JMM said:

Normally I would agree. However this came from Vic Carucci a HOF reporter with the Bills for years and years. 

 

Vic didn't make it up.  But his source may have been speculating or exaggerating.  

[WotAGuy]

7 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Pegula essentially confirmed it happened.

 

He opened with a dialogue about how our roster is good enough.

He literally said: “I don’t know where that came from” and dismissed it.

You are too much. 

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

As I read the story Brady didn’t do it in front of Beane.  Blowing up ABOUT him?  Yes.  ON him? Not how I read it. 

How about just blowing him, period?

[BCAS Baritone]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Pegula essentially confirmed it happened.

 

He opened with a dialogue about how our roster is good enough.

I don't think he confirmed it at all.  In fact I think they were asked about it at the news conference and they said that never happened.

 

They also strongly said the roster was good enough.  There have been plenty of situations where "we can't fire the team so we have to fire the coach."

 

It's kind of like when Doug Whaley was telling prospective coaching hires that EJ Manuel was the real deal.  I mean, what else is he going to say?  Yeah your QB is a moron but we expect you to win anyway?  Or yeah our wide receivers stink and I'd rather just run the Wishbone?  Even if you believe the receivers stink?