Any word yet on actual interview requests?

[IYKYK]

20 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

yea you are preaching to the choir here.  Kubiak will help them upgrade the wr position.  It is a must. They all know.

 

a new defensive scheme is going to be put in place obviously and there is going to be a lot of change on that side of the ball.  Let a new staff be dedicated to that.

Except for beane. Who thinks it's just fine.

[Beck Water]

Just now, boyst said:

I hate to ruin the story for anybody but it's going to be Clint Kubiak as the number one candidate and the failsafe of Brian Daboll.

 

Cigniti isn't leaving with all they just gave him and his staff. 

 

I don't mind Klint Kubiak but the idea of Brian Daboll as a "failsafe" makes me throw up in my mouth.

 

There is too much "smoke" around how Daboll was treating the Giants coaching assistants and behaving on the sidelines.  He is not a 'leader of men'.

[Marcus Aurelius]

37 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

At this point it could also point to the Rams, who have 3 excellent names to watch. 

 

But it's been just over 24 hours. Right now they seem more focused on damage control rather than what comes next. The next 12-24 hours will likely be the Bills reaching out and scheduling interviews with some base line guys and guys that get us Rooney compliant. Remember, it's only outside interviews in person (NOT on zoom/FaceTime) that count for Rooney Rules. 

Tomlin for the cursory Rooney rule? 😉

[ngbills]

12 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Carolina DC 😂

Puke...

[Ethan in Cleveland]

There is no rush except if they wanted McDaniel.  McDaniel is in play for the Browns but he woudl be better off waiting on the Bills or Ravens or even taking an OC job than the Browns HC job.

Thexr retreads like McCarthy, Tomlin, and Flores arent going anywhere and I don't want any of them.

Along with McDaniel, Kubiak, LaFleur, and Josh McDaniels are my other top 3 candidates now that Salah is out of the mix. They are all still in the playoffs. 

Would be wild if the Bills could get two of those three as HC and OC. 

[Snowbowl]

I think it’s more important what D coordinator the head coach can bring with him than if they’re O or D oriented. That’s what I’d want to know from the interviews and also whatever other coaches they can get on their staff. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Psautcsk said:

I did and they can't afford me. I ain't working for peanuts. They are nuts.

 

I was hoping to get a job on the new yacht if not.

[MikePJ76]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

I admit I like Kubiak yet the issue I have with the Shanny system is it has roots on the WCO which is a timing based offense which doesn't always support Josh's strengths as we've seen it countless times where Josh has an open guy but instead of taking the easy through he'll run around a bit and wait for another player to come open, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I don't think anyone will completely coach it out of him as it's just how he is. 

there are no systems if you will that are not a blend of all of the offenses at this point.

 

Bill Walsh built the "West Coast offense" always poorly described since the real west coast offense was Don Coryell.....

 

anyway, there are lots of branches off Walsh's system.  All tweaked a little different.  Shanhan, holmgren, Gruden, Reid etc....all come from that but are all different.  

 

If allen is put in a system where he has wr running wide open because the scheme created that He is going to be ecstatic.  When brady was promoted I remember arguing with people endlessly about how it is crazy to run the ball with allen and he will not like it.   He has been amazing in this offense.  came up short wr wise.  I think that will be corrected this offseason.   

2 minutes ago, IYKYK said:

Except for beane. Who thinks it's just fine.

no doubt but if he hires an offensive head coach there is no way they are not going to give him better wr, they are going to want this next coach to succeed more than even normal since we are stuck in this Beane Mcdermott soap opera.

 

 

[Beck Water]

5 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

There is no rush except if they wanted McDaniel.  McDaniel is in play for the Browns but he woudl be better off waiting on the Bills or Ravens or even taking an OC job than the Browns HC job.

Thexr retreads like McCarthy, Tomlin, and Flores arent going anywhere and I don't want any of them.

Along with McDaniel, Kubiak, LaFleur, and Josh McDaniels are my other top 3 candidates now that Salah is out of the mix. They are all still in the playoffs. 

Would be wild if the Bills could get two of those three as HC and OC. 

 

Please explain what, in Josh Daniels previous head coaching experience, leads him to be a top candidate to you?

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Puke...

What he's saying is likely correct. Weaver and Eviro have interviewed almost everywhere this cycle. Gee I wonder why. I expect them to be brought in to comply as well 

 

Brady is almost automatically getting an interview. The Webb thing is weird. They're just connecting dots there. He may get an interview as a favor, but I don't see him a serious contender. Mayyyyyyybe of he impressed he could get an OC consideration.

 

There are going to be a lot of guys mentioned and brought in. It's the guys that see a second round that you have to take seriously. 

[drummernut74]

10 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

so your counter to what I said is to use the greatest defensive coach in the history of the nfl as an example as why you hire a DC?

 

Belichick also was fired in cleveland.  He did a lot of winning in New England with Bill Parcells staff.

 

I mean I am all for it, if there is a Coach on either side of the ball comprable to Bill frigging Belichick hire him now and give him a lifetime contract.

Marv Levy would always say it’s not about being a great offensive head coach or a great defensive head coach … it’s just about being a great HEAD coach.

Coordinators from both sides of the ball are going to get poached from good teams. That’s life in the NFL

Marv was a Special Teams Coach, as was Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh, both who are SB Champion HCs

9 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

So I'd like to point out that there are two different viewpoints on the offense.

 

The run design game and execution has been superb, but the passing game design has not matched it in quality.    The question is why?

One viewpoint is that we lack the receivers to execute a high quality passing game (your viewpoint  "we need to get a little bit better at receiver")

Another is that the passing game itself is rather simplistic.  We use some pre-snap motion, but do the actual route combinations do enough to scheme receivers open or to present options if the coverage was disguised?

A wild card is the question to what extent was Coach Kromer involved in the run game design, and how much of that will leave when he leaves?

 

 

You can only work with the tools you are given.  We didn't have talented receivers that were capable of more explosive or creative things

[MikePJ76]

11 minutes ago, drummernut74 said:

Bill Belichik wasn't an offensive head coach ... he was a HEAD coach.  He had 3 OCs for the majority of the dynasty.  Didn't seem to be a problem steamrolling everyone for 20 years

 

Marv Levy would always say it’s not about being a great offensive head coach or a great defensive head coach … it’s just about being a great HEAD coach.

Coordinators from both sides of the ball are going to get poached from good teams. That’s life in the NFL

Marv was a Special Teams Coach, as was Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh, both who are SB Champion HCs

Tom Coughlin was a special teams coach and he was better than all those coaches IMO.

 

I get the gist of what you are saying.  A head coach is a ceo for sure they have to be able to deal with everything.....another of the shanahan things, Coaches must be able to coach any position on the field.  Shanahan learned that from Bill Walsh and took it to heart.....Its another reason I like Kubiak.  He grew up in this environment.

 

no matter who they hire there is risk....kubiak could be brian callahan and not be a good head coach and be like daboll where no one likes the guy.......a defensive guy like minter or leonhard could turn out like saleh and just not be able to get everything right.

[BillsFan4]

She hasn’t reported any names yet but she says she will have them.

[MikePJ76]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

What he's saying is likely correct. Weaver and Eviro have interviewed almost everywhere this cycle. Gee I wonder why. I expect them to be brought in to comply as well 

 

Brady is almost automatically getting an interview. The Webb thing is weird. They're just connecting dots there. He may get an interview as a favor, but I don't see him a serious contender. Mayyyyyyybe of he impressed he could get an OC consideration.

 

There are going to be a lot of guys mentioned and brought in. It's the guys that see a second round that you have to take seriously. 

hopefully they talk to all the young defensive coordinators and feel them out to see how they would maybe work with Kubiak if that is the guy like I hope it is.

 

they can satisfy the rooney rule and maybe feel out a bunch of guys for future staff positions

[drummernut74]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

Tom Coughlin was a special teams coach and he was better than all those coaches IMO.

 

I get the gist of what you are saying.  A head coach is a ceo for sure they have to be able to deal with everything.....another of the shanahan things, Coaches must be able to coach any position on the field.  Shanahan learned that from Bill Walsh and took it to heart.....Its another reason I like Kubiak.  He grew up in this environment.

 

no matter who they hire there is risk....kubiak could be brian callahan and not be a good head coach and be like daboll where no one likes the guy.......a defensive guy like minter or leonhard could turn out like saleh and just not be able to get everything right.

Bottom line is we have somewhat of a clusterf**k on our hands .. we as the die hard fans that we are .. have to wait and see what happens, eat what we're going to get served .. and choose to like it or not

 

All good spirited conversations in the meantime lol

[boyst]

13 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I don't mind Klint Kubiak but the idea of Brian Daboll as a "failsafe" makes me throw up in my mouth.

 

There is too much "smoke" around how Daboll was treating the Giants coaching assistants and behaving on the sidelines.  He is not a 'leader of men'.

This is where the narrative is tested about how much power Josh has. 

[JMM]

58 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I was thinking - we could use a single “facts only” pinned thread reporting and tracking requests, interviews, etc. 

THIS WOULD BE GREAT!!!

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, drummernut74 said:

Bottom line is we have somewhat of a clusterf**k on our hands .. we as the die hard fans that we are .. have to wait and see what happens, eat what we're going to get served .. and choose to like it or not

 

All good spirited conversations in the meantime lol

i see this as a positive.  I see the parallels with Mike Mcdonald getting the seattle job and hiring a bunch of young hungry talented coaches to come with him followed up by two good offseasons as the blue print for what the Bills can do with kubiak.    Same Age, kubiak is actually more experienced because he has been in the league since 2013 and has been in big games.

 

I see a cluster_____ if Daboll is hired.  That will escalate the beane mcdermott soap opera, I think he is unliked and will build a lousy staff...i think daboll will pass the buck.  I don't like anything about daboll.

 

A retread makes no sense here either.  

 

 

 

 

[todd]

1 hour ago, Strethor said:

Klint Kubiak (+125)

Brian Daboll (+265)

Davis Webb (+500)

Joe Brady (+550)

 

Updated odds, untill the official requests and visits happen there's just going to be speculation 

Odds are not facts, nor based on facts. They are based on someone’s ability to make money off them. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I wonder if its a bad idea, for Joe Brady in his interviewed,  when he's asked what do you think we need to do going forward to respond, "just get some playmakers on the outside and we can win the Super Bowl" food for thought in jest of course.