If given the choice between firing McD or running back the same coaching staff, which do you choose

[JP51]

Mixed opinions here... lots of folks including me blame a lot on Beane and some on McD...  I think that there is plenty of Blame to go around... so... if you were told Beane is coming back.. and there is nothing you can do about it...  Do you bring back the staff and run at it again... or do you fire McD because change is needed.... and if you wouldnt mind saying why, that would be great... 

[FireChans]

My order of desire I think.

 

#1 by a mile - Fire everyone

#2 Fire Beane and put a new GM in charge of McD

#3 Fire McD and promote Beane

 

 

#100 Hire Jessica Pegula as president

 

 

 

#2396 bring the band back 

Edited January 20 by FireChans

[JP51]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

My order of desire I think.

 

#1 by a mile - Fire everyone

#2 Fire Beane and put a new GM in charge of McD

#3 Fire McD and promote Beane

 

 

#100 Hire Jessica Pegula as president

 

 

 

#2396 bring the band back 

I am 100% with you all the way to 2396... 

[IsolateThis]

3 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Mixed opinions here... lots of folks including me blame a lot on Beane and some on McD...  I think that there is plenty of Blame to go around... so... if you were told Beane is coming back.. and there is nothing you can do about it...  Do you bring back the staff and run at it again... or do you fire McD because change is needed.... and if you wouldnt mind saying why, that would be great... 

I'm in the same boat - blame clearly should be shared, but unfortunately one was axed while the other promoted. What I struggle with is - would they have been better to fire both and hire BOTH a new GM and coach, or just one. I'm thinking it is easier and less disruptive to only have a search for a new HC, and if you had to fire one, it wouldn't really work to look for another GM that isn't able to install their own choice for HC.... Difficult no matter what....

[JP51]

1 minute ago, IsolateThis said:

I'm in the same boat - blame clearly should be shared, but unfortunately one was axed while the other promoted. What I struggle with is - would they have been better to fire both and hire BOTH a new GM and coach, or just one. I'm thinking it is easier and less disruptive to only have a search for a new HC, and if you had to fire one, it wouldn't really work to look for another GM that isn't able to install their own choice for HC.... Difficult no matter what....

Yeah I dont like the implications of Beane sees nothing wrong with this roster... that is concerning... a total blow up leaves Pegula picking coaches and GMs... not sure what is worse. 

[Sweats]

I don't care who got fired, but someone had to go

[JP51]

1 minute ago, Sweats said:

I don't care who got fired, but someone had to go

We needed change... there is no doubt... change doesnt always come in the form that we think we need... but in the end I am option 2... 

[BuffaloBillyG]

14 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Mixed opinions here... lots of folks including me blame a lot on Beane and some on McD...  I think that there is plenty of Blame to go around... so... if you were told Beane is coming back.. and there is nothing you can do about it...  Do you bring back the staff and run at it again... or do you fire McD because change is needed.... and if you wouldnt mind saying why, that would be great... 

I wonder if the brass wanted Babich and/or Brady replaced and McDermott refused. Wouldn't be the first coach to lose his job being loyal to his staff. Same thing reported to have did Harbaugh in in Baltimore with Monken. 

[JP51]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I wonder if the brass wanted Babich and/or Brady replaced and McDermott refused. Wouldn't be the first coach to lose his job being loyal to his staff. Same thing reported to have did Harbaugh in in Baltimore with Monken. 

and I think Tomlin in Pitts... I really think that this is a possibility... I havent heard any of that.. but I dont think that it is anyway out of the realm.... 

[zow2]

I was never a fire McDermot guy until last Saturday night. At some point, you have to understand history and realize that this coach and quarterback combination has run its course. There’s a few years left of Josh Allen’s prime and you might as well take a swing with an offensive minded coach. I get the criticism now, the way it went down feels dirty… but a lot of people over the last couple years wanted McDermot fired. 

[HoofHearted]

If one was not good enough then neither were good enough in my opinion. Clean sweep the whole thing and start new with fresh faces and fresh ideas. I do not understand the thought behind firing one and keeping the other.

[Big Turk]

WE don't know enough of how much McD had a say in personnel and who he overrode that didn't work out versus who we would have picked otherwise to ever really know. However, we DO KNOW that he had a significant hand ion defensive personnel and often times who he wanted was very rigid and "scheme centric" without entertaining enough other things outside that which would have likely gotten better players on that side of the ball.

 

At the end of the day tho, as I've posted in other threads, McD being best in the NFL at winning games when scoring 28+ points in the regular season and being among worst in the NFL at winning those games in the playoffs was ultimately his undoing. If you score 28 points in a playoff game, you should win, period, end of story.

Edited January 20 by Big Turk

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, JP51 said:

and I think Tomlin in Pitts... I really think that this is a possibility... I havent heard any of that.. but I dont think that it is anyway out of the realm.... 

I find that most of the time when something like this happens there's a ton of information immediately available. Most of which is spin control from each side. 

 

The truth often comes much later 

[Simon]

Just a heads up that your title does not match your poll question, which makes no mention of the front office

[MikePJ76]

A whole new fresh start.

 

But billionaires are careful about who handles their money, Beane handles money and business decisions coaches do not deal with.

 

I imagine beane is on a short leash.  Hire the wrong guy and have allen regress and in two years they will all be out.

 

best case scenario, they hire a young offensive coach, Klint kubiak, he builds a good staff and puts together a program that gets them over the hump.....then we can talk about that and beane can fade into the background.  

[Sweats]

Here's the thing......

 

We let McD go.......if the team gets better moving forward and progresses, well then maybe McD was the problem. If the team gets steadily worse, well then maybe Beane was the problem and he will be exposed.

 

It's a win-win for Bills fans right across the board.

[MiltonWaddams]

We all know what the definition of insanity is and the team has been doing it since 2021 when the writing was on the wall. If you just keep repeating the same thing over and over again, you are doomed to fail. Although I, like most here, respected McDermott immensely as a person and a coach who guided this franchise back to relevancy, and annual contention, this franchise needs to exceed that level. 17 has given us all hope, but those hopes have been dashed year in and year out. I would’ve rather seen the whole thing burned to the ground from front office to coaching and started anew, but this is a needed change regardless.

[BarleyNY]

Firing McDermott was long overdue. Beane should not have GM duties - and hopefully he’ll hire a competent one this offseason and relinquish those duties. He needs to either be solely in the role of President or gone completely. If he’s gone, then a competent President should be hired as there needs to be a buffer between the owner and GM and HC. that will also give continuity as ownership moves to Michael and Laura. 

[JP51]

40 minutes ago, Simon said:

Just a heads up that your title does not match your poll question, which makes no mention of the front office

Thanks let me go look I did amend it to put a FO in there and it didnt take... I will try to change it... I appreciate the heads up.

40 minutes ago, Simon said:

Just a heads up that your title does not match your poll question, which makes no mention of the front office

I am not finding how I can align the two? Could you message me if there is a way to do that... or if you can as an admin? 

40 minutes ago, Sweats said:

Here's the thing......

 

We let McD go.......if the team gets better moving forward and progresses, well then maybe McD was the problem. If the team gets steadily worse, well then maybe Beane was the problem and he will be exposed.

 

It's a win-win for Bills fans right across the board.

I do not disagree... at all.... 

Edited January 20 by JP51

[Simon]

1 hour ago, JP51 said:

I am not finding how I can align the two? Could you message me if there is a way to do that... or if you can as an admin?

 

I didn't want to mess with your poll so I just tweaked the title so it matched the question.