Pegula and Beane believes the roster wasn't the problem - Link

[Brandon]

2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I agree with Beane. He gave McD Curtis Samuel and Mecole Hardeman. Plus, what about Latu?! What more can anyone ask for?

 

Agreed.  And don't forget Tre White and Jordan Poyer as half the starting secondary in 2025,  plus their most effective boundary receiver was a 32 year old mid season acquisition that had just been cut from the Saints after posting 43 catches over his previous 25-ish games.  Great roster,  for sure.  

Edited January 20 by Brandon

[Captain_Quint]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Or they weren’t pleased because this is the roster Mcdermott asked for.  

That's my take on this. The roster was what McD asked for AND it wasnt good enough. 

 

How many years are we going to talk about undersized defensive guys who get hurt constantly and give up 30+ points in the playoffs? That's McD's biggest shortcoming. The defense is tied to him and its not good enough when it counts. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I appreciate what they Jeremy is saying, but I'm not sure I'm buying it. To me, actions speak louder than words. 

 

I cannot remember a season where Beane has tried so hard to upgrade a roster as this year with big or even mid named players. I also don't remember  a season where Beane was so active claiming players off the waiver wire. Hardman, Cooks, Slay, Savage and more..all brought in after the FA/draft window. 

 

The rumors of him going all in to get Waddle AND Q. Williams at the trade deadline. Even being willing to ship out our next two 1st round picks. Very very uncharacteristic by Beane, I may add.

 

These actions speak loudly as a guy that knew there were shortcomings on the roster and trying to do what he could to fix it in season. 

 

Oh his actions in season tell me here was a GM in panic because this spring bravado gave way to a fall realism. He wasn't willing to give a 2026 pick for Waddle but was happy to offer a 2027 pick because he was hedging that if he failed to upgrade this roster the 2027 pick might not be his problem to think about. 

[MasterStrategist]

11 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

If this is true, I'm incredibly concerned.  The consensus by pretty much everyone is that the roster was not up to par this year and Josh was having to do too much.  If this meeting really happened and led to McD getting fired because Pegula believes Beane did enough, that I'm more worried than I was yesterday.  

 

If the people making the decisions and survived this exodus believe our issues were not roster related, I don't know how to trust any decisions they make going forward.  

Your thread title....where did Vic quote Beane or Pegula as saying the roster wasnt the problem????

 

Vic heard from a source, without knowing specifics of what Sean said, that Beane and Pegula were unhappy with his assessment of what was missing to win a title.

 

To me, that doesnt mean theyre OK with this roster...just angry with what McD had to say.

 

There are a huge list of possibilities, also around the time that Ingram was lost to Texans.

 

Jumping to the conclusion that Beane/Pegula think the roster is good enough, is now entering opinion/guessing territory.

 

Lets see what happens.  

[Capco]

6 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

This is what I am going to cling to. 

Same.  That's a good way to put it, too.

To take it a step further, I'm hoping that the early round draft flops were chosen by McD, but then deferred more to Beane as the drafts went on (hence our relative success in the mid-late rounds).

Because otherwise... the explanation isn't as sensible.  

[Yobogoya!]

1 minute ago, Captain_Quint said:

That's my take on this. The roster was what McD asked for AND it wasnt good enough. 

 

How many years are we going to talk about undersized defensive guys who get hurt constantly and give up 30+ points in the playoffs? That's McD's biggest shortcoming. The defense is tied to him and its not good enough when it counts. 

 

 

 

If there is even a hint of truth to the rumor that McDermott insisted on the Basham pick then as far as I'm concerned his ability to evaluate talent should not in any way be trusted. 

 

He's also the guy who evaluated Peterman and Allen for an entire preseason... and then started Peterman to disastrous results. 

[alg]

15 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

If this is true, I'm incredibly concerned.  The consensus by pretty much everyone is that the roster was not up to par this year and Josh was having to do too much.  If this meeting really happened and led to McD getting fired because Pegula believes Beane did enough, that I'm more worried than I was yesterday.  

 

If the people making the decisions and survived this exodus believe our issues were not roster related, I don't know how to trust any decisions they make going forward.  

I read the same thing and come to the opposite conclusion.

The message coach sent out was, The team isn't good enough to win the Super Bowl.

That he was right is not the point. Meaning:

 

He was making excuses before he even lost in the playoffs. That's called CYA.

[Steptide]

Part of me wonders if McDermott just absolutely refused to change his philosophy on defense or offense. Maybe our players are better than what they've shown, but they're not being utilized to their full potential. Maybe McDermott wanted these guys and then complained we didn't have enough talent (Ps I realize how terrible our wr room was this year). Who knows, it's all a crap shoot at this point. Be really nice if beane would talk to the media 

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

It's very clear there was a loss of faith and each blamed the other. I tend to think McDermott was more right than Brandon Beane. But the situation we have now with one side winning and the propaganda war raging is why I have always felt firing one and keeping the other was the least attractive solution. 

Oh they should have cleaned house, that much is obvious.

 

You could tell McD was laying ground work when he was complimenting Jacksonville on Meyers. I knew then things weren't right between him and Beane. Just were very odd comments. They were both going to stab each other in back.

As far as who was right, the roster was not SB quality, that much is obvious and lacks talent in key areas. My only problem with that quote, is it doesn't even say where McD thought there were deficiencies.

[Rocbillsfan1]

44 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

If this is true, I'm incredibly concerned.  The consensus by pretty much everyone is that the roster was not up to par this year and Josh was having to do too much.  If this meeting really happened and led to McD getting fired because Pegula believes Beane did enough, that I'm more worried than I was yesterday.  

 

If the people making the decisions and survived this exodus believe our issues were not roster related, I don't know how to trust any decisions they make going forward.  

The roster was 1000% good enough to win the Super Bowl. We played undisciplined against Denver and that’s on the coach. We should have won that game by 20 points. Sure there are some holes but there are holes on all the teams. Sounds like McDermott just wanted a built in excuse for not getting the job done after 7 terrible playoff loses. 
 

Ogunjobi jumps offside negating a turnover resulting in 3 points. Josh Allen halftime turnover 3 points. Josh Allen skipping a pass to Shakir cost them 7. Josh Allen missing wide open Knox cost them 7. Josh big game hunting throwing an INT could have cost them 3. McDermott playing Savage for some bizarre reason cost them 7. 
 

we should have blown Denver out. They lost 2 of their WRs and were playing with an injured Surtan and we were running the ball all over them. 
 

cam Lewis played great. Bishop played great. Milano and Thompson were playing at a high level. Tre White and Benford have been very good. Like what else did people want? 

Edited January 20 by Rocbillsfan1

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said:

Your thread title....where did Vic quote Beane or Pegula as saying the roster wasnt the problem????

 

Vic heard from a source, without knowing specifics of what Sean said, that Beane and Pegula were unhappy with his assessment of what was missing to win a title.

 

To me, that doesnt mean theyre OK with this roster...just angry with what McD had to say.

 

There are a huge list of possibilities, also around the time that Ingram was lost to Texans.

 

Jumping to the conclusion that Beane/Pegula think the roster is good enough, is now entering opinion/guessing territory.

 

Let’s see what happens.  

Amen.  The title of the thread is pure conjecture.  

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Oh his actions in season tell me here was a GM in panic because this spring bravado gave way to a fall realism. He wasn't willing to give a 2026 pick for Waddle but was happy to offer a 2027 pick because he was hedging that if he failed to upgrade this roster the 2027 pick might not be his problem to think about. 

I really believe at one point Beane knew he was on the outs and scrambling like a madman to avoid it. At some point, howe he was able to flip it onto Sean. 

 

Kind of ironic, after all the suggestions by fans that McDermott was a scapegoat specialist with Dorsey, Frazier and others...he falls victim to being the scapegoat for Brandon Beane. 

[TheFunPolice]

When you look at the blowup between Diggs and McDermott, the switch to a run first scheme, the state of our WR room makes more sense 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Sure is a lot of propoganda going around. Guess whichever side you fall on, you'll believe what the other says. A meeting with 3 people, and this comes out making Beane/Pegula look bad. Wonder who this came from.

You can tell which media members had insides with which side.

As far as I am concerned they are all wrong. The talent isn’t good enough and the coaching fell short. They should have cleaned house IMO but this was better than status quo. I think Beane has done a worse job than McDermott. At the same time, I do not believe that McDermott has the DNA to win a championship so I wanted someone else. 

 

The propaganda machine is working overtime. It’ll be ugly for a little while and then will get better. Clearly there was division between them as many had said prior. Get the right guy in here AND add a bunch of talent. You have all your picks and as much cap space as you’ve had in a while. You need to be aggressive on all fronts.

 

 

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I agree with Beane. He gave McD Curtis Samuel and Mecole Hardeman. Plus, what about Latu?! What more can anyone ask for?

Why am I flashing on the old Christmas special 'Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer'?  Beane shopping at the Island of Misfit Players? 🤔

"Nobody wants a Turf Toe Samuel!" 🙁

[SectionC3]

16 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I mean, if McD was insisting this roster wasn’t good enough, he was wrong.  This team was a play away from playing the Pats to go to the Super Bowl, who we beat this season.

I think there's truth on both sides of this.  The WR room was a joke.  One of the safety spots was filled by an elderly employee.  But on the whole, as I think it through, a lot of this is gameday stuff, too.  To be fair, we were robbed against Denver.  But we were right there with NE in both games, and frankly should have won them both.  The Denver loss arguably is partly attributable to roster (Beane jacked up the Ingram thing), partly attributable to injury (Savage made a horrible play), and partly due to coaching (Savage v Hancock; idiotically not protecting Dane Jackson).  So, bottom line, the roster was flawed, but not so flawed that we could not have reached the Super Bowl.  

 

We'll miss McD more on Monday to Saturday than we realize.  But I'd like to hope that we'll get an improvement on Sunday. 

[Augie]

15 minutes ago, Strethor said:

This could turn south really quickly 

 

No, I’m told a chimp could win as many games as McD with Josh at QB. We have nothing to fear. 

 

 

Or so some want us to believe. 

[Bangarang]

Bills fans now learning why Sabres fans have been calling Pegula a terrible owner for years. 

[Sweats]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Again, where does it say that Pegula or Beane thought that? 

 

 

 

It doesn't say anywhere that Pegs or Beane thought that.........I'm saying that

 

The roster was complete azz

[Einstein]

This is genuinely scary.

 

Beane and Pegula thinking that a WR room that features Shakir as your #1 WR and waiver signing Brandon Cooks as your #2, is good enough for a Super Bowl… that is downright frightening.

 

Thinking that a backfield with Rapp or Poyer as your starting SS is good enough? Scary.

 

This is bad.