Pegula and Beane believes the roster wasn't the problem - Link

[BillsPride12]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Or they weren’t pleased because this is the roster Mcdermott asked for.  

That's the piece to the puzzle I'd really like to know 

 

This whole thing keeps getting more interesting by the minute 

[Sweats]

How can anyone look at this roster and be satisfied that it was championship caliber?!?.........my god, even my wife knew the roster was complete azz and she doesn't know the first thing about foosball.

[Xerx]

Things are rarely black and white, lot's of grey murkiness

 

This reeks of that

 

Roster was obviously devoid of certain talent types, but plentiful in other types

 

Did McDermott ask and get his wish on what type of talent they brought in? Then rejected it's usefulness to win a title

 

Did Beane go to far with that McD was asking for in terms of talent

 

There definitely seemed to be a chasm between the two that was getting bigger

 

Continuing to try and bridge that would be a fools errand.

[SCBills]

Did they feel this way because they think it’s true or because they gave McDermott the roster he asked for?

 

Did McD want a DE & DT in FA?  He got Bosa and Ogunjobi.  Also Hoecht. 
 

Did he wants extensions for all his D guys?   Benford, Rousseau, Bernard?  He got them. 
 

Did he want Hairston, Sanders, Jackson and Walker for our first 4 picks including multiple trade ups?

 

Same HC who was given Poona Ford and Tim Settle, then had us thinking they were bums.  
 

If he was saddled with this roster against his will or without much input, sure.  McD is right and Beane/Pegula are shockingly out of touch. 
 

If he asked for this roster then I could see how this is disingenuous framing. 
 

 

Edited January 20 by SCBills

[ddaryl]

 

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

McDermott is right. It wasn't enough to save his skin. He didn't have to win the Superbowl. He had to not lose to Bo Nix. Maybe he'd have been fired anyway with an AFCCG loss, but who knows? 

 

But on the roster McDermott is right and Beane and Pegula are wrong. 

 

 

I think Beane tried to get the players McD wanted and he still could not improve the D to not give up 30 points in a playoff game were we get eliminated. I believe Pegula being in all the draft meetings and the war room saw McD asking for this and that and he still says we lack talent.

The only consistent part of our D not being able to close the deal in the playoffs is McD


McD strength was supposedly his D mind but look at how many times we gave up 30+ points in the playoffs that Allen and the O had to overcome

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/playoffs.htm

 

Edited January 20 by ddaryl

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Where does it say Beane or Pegula thought the roster was Super Bowl worthy? It says they weren’t pleased that Mcdermott’s was saying this in December.  

 

They clearly think the roster was not the biggest part of the problem. On that, they are wrong. The Superbowl bit was relating to why that didn't mean McD should stay. It didn't have to be Superbowl worthy to beat Bo Nix. 

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, Sweats said:

How can anyone look at this roster and be satisfied that it was championship caliber?!?.........my god, even my wife knew the roster was complete azz and she doesn't know the first thing about foosball.

Again, where does it say that Pegula or Beane thought that? 

[Dillenger4]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Where does it say Beane or Pegula thought the roster was Super Bowl worthy? It says they weren’t pleased that Mcdermott’s was saying this in December.  

correct. And, they were upset with McD because it was McD who asked for said players.

[ChasBB]

Then my question is why is a meeting taking place on what is needed to win a Super Bowl during Week 15 (this would have been about 5 weeks ago) of the season, well after the trade deadline and any meaningful opportunity to address roster concerns?

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

Sure in a weak AFC. You can't tell me that they would have a chance against Seattle or L.A.  Those teams look much better than any AFC teams. I'm expecting a blowout for the Super Bowl 

Sounds like excuses to me.  If the coach doesn’t believe in the roster and is openly saying it during the season, when does it become a self-fulfilling prophecy?  Even with the imperfect roster, this team was good enough to at least make the Super Bowl.  And if you are in the game with Josh Allen and a great running game with James Cook, you have a chance.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I agree with Beane. He gave McD Curtis Samuel and Mecole Hardeman. Plus, what about Latu?! What more can anyone ask for?

[Wayne Cubed]

Sure is a lot of propoganda going around. Guess whichever side you fall on, you'll believe what the other says. A meeting with 3 people, and this comes out making Beane/Pegula look bad. Wonder who this came from.

You can tell which media members had insides with which side.

[Dillenger4]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

 

I think Beane tried to get the players McD wanted and he still could not improve the D to not give up 30 points in a playoff game were we get eliminated. I believe Pegula being in all the draft meetings and the war room saw McD asking for this and that and he still says we lack talent.

The only consistent part of our D not being able to close the deal in the playoffs is McD


McD strength was supposedly his D mind but look at how many times we gave up 30+ points in the playoffs that Allen and the O had to overcome

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/playoffs.htm

 

This right here. Bingo.

We gave up 33 points (30) to Bo Frickin Nix. Let that sink in. Buh Bye McD!!!!! Good man but we need a coach!

[May Day 10]

Probably not enough information given to really react.  

[Low Positive]

This thread is a cesspool of confirmation bias and BBFS.

[BuffaloBillyG]

15 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

If this is true, I'm incredibly concerned.  The consensus by pretty much everyone is that the roster was not up to par this year and Josh was having to do too much.  If this meeting really happened and led to McD getting fired because Pegula believes Beane did enough, that I'm more worried than I was yesterday.  

 

If the people making the decisions and survived this exodus believe our issues were not roster related, I don't know how to trust any decisions they make going forward.  

I appreciate what they Jeremy is saying, but I'm not sure I'm buying it. To me, actions speak louder than words. 

 

I cannot remember a season where Beane has tried so hard to upgrade a roster as this year with big or even mid named players. I also don't remember  a season where Beane was so active claiming players off the waiver wire. Hardman, Cooks, Slay, Savage and more..all brought in after the FA/draft window. 

 

The rumors of him going all in to get Waddle AND Q. Williams at the trade deadline. Even being willing to ship out our next two 1st round picks. Very very uncharacteristic by Beane, I may add.

 

These actions speak loudly as a guy that knew there were shortcomings on the roster and trying to do what he could to fix it in season. 

 

Now one could have a conversation if this was due to injuries, long standing roster issues or the way players Beane had brought in were used. 

Edited January 20 by BuffaloBillyG

[Sharky7337]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Or they weren’t pleased because this is the roster Mcdermott asked for.  

This is all we can hope for 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Sure is a lot of propoganda going around. Guess whichever side you fall on, you'll believe what the other says. A meeting with 3 people, and this comes out making Beane/Pegula look bad. Wonder who this came from.

You can tell which media members had insides with which side.

 

It's very clear there was a loss of faith and each blamed the other. I tend to think McDermott was more right than Brandon Beane. But the situation we have now with one side winning and the propaganda war raging is why I have always felt firing one and keeping the other was the least attractive solution. 

[Arkansasrifle]

14 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

Man I’m hating it but I’m feeling a new drought coming on. This sucks. 

I don’t with new stadium 

[Rockpile233]

Terry Pegula once thought adding Taylor Hall to an awful team was a Stanley Cup competing move. If you didn’t agree with him you were probably getting fired…