Maybe It's Good the Players Are Not Happy

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It was a plan that had nearly no chance to succeed--no timeouts, 20 seconds from your own 30.  To what, change the deficit from 7 to 4 before the half--for a team known to score much higher in the second half (they outscored the Broncos 20-13 in the second half).  The chance of success was so low that it could not justify the risk of the worst outcome--turnover and Broncos score before the half.  Those 3 points were the difference in the game.

 

It was a monumentally dumb risk to take.  I beleive it's why McD was fired.  I said it that night--a fireable offense and I was right.

It really had a chance…this seems so hindsighty to me.  It’s one 30 yard throw and a spike for a good fg chance at mile high.  Coach knows how long it takes to line up and spike there to be able to tell if you can use the whole field.  There is virtually no risk if the qb doesn’t go rogue…just throw it deep or give yourself up 

 

if you don’t think you can get a spike in time estimate wise just throw it deep and towards the sideline/out of bounds 

Edited January 20 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

I’m fine with an outside voice. Other than Klint Kubiak, the favorites to be the next Bills Head Coach are Brian Daboll, Joe Brady, or maybe Davis Webb. That’s a pretty incestuous group.
 

Daboll doesn’t have the traits of a head coach. He’s struggled everywhere unless he’s propped up by someone like Belichick, Saban, or McDermott. Shane Steichen made him look bad this year - just look at Daniel Jones before the injury.
 

If you thought McDermott was a sinking ship, going to Joe Brady is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. He doesn’t inspire confidence and he’s been part of the "problem" since 2022.
 

Davis Webb feels slightly more removed - coaching reps almost exclusively in Denver - but he’s too close to Josh Allen. Could be fun? Maybe. Still pretty incestuous.

 

 

Webb as HC?  he has no significant experience.  Payton is the playcaller in Denver.  Maybe as OC.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

I still don't know wtf he was trying to do there.

It’s a routine situation lol I can’t believe mcd is taking heat for that specifically.  It’s like saying don’t take a Hail Mary shot at the 50 going into halftime because you could fumble six

Edited January 20 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

It really had a chance…this seems so hindsighty to me.  It’s one 30 yard throw and a spike for a good fg chance at mile high.  Coach knows how long it takes to line up and spike there to be able to tell if you can use the whole field.  There is virtually no risk if the qb doesn’t go rogue…just throw it deep or give yourself up 

 

I said it immediately here.  The benefit (down by 7 with a half a game to go for an Offense that dominated the second half.  To try to be down by 4 instead of 7 with a lot football to play is an incredibly dumb reason to risk the worst outcome.

 

Even Romo said, they are just gonna take a knee here---then he was surprised they were going for it.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I said it immediately here.  The benefit (down by 7 with a half a game to go for an Offense that dominated the second half.  To try to be down by 4 instead of 7 with a lot football to play is an incredibly dumb reason to risk the worst outcome.

 

Even Romo said, they are just gonna take a knee here---then he was surprised they were going for it.

You are over calculating the risk massively is my two cents…I think Romo is a bit of a putz haha 

 

if your qb isn’t an idiot the risk of broncos getting any points there is much much smaller than the bills getting points…again love Josh, I think his ad libbing helps way more than it hurts but he made that situation an issue all on his own  

Edited January 20 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

It’s a routine situation lol I can’t believe mcd is taking heat for that specifically.  It’s like saying don’t take a Hail Mary shot at the 50 going into halftime because you could fumble six 

 

This was not a hail mary scenario, so not comparable.  They were planning on running 2 plays, then kicking.

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

You are over calculating the risk massively is my two cents…I think Romo is a bit of a putz haha 

 

if your qb isn’t an idiot the risk of broncos getting any points there is much much smaller than the bills getting points 

 

Why put the QB in a situation where he might lose the ball??  to cut a 1 score deficit to...a 1 score defecit?  That's laughable.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

This was not a hail mary scenario, so not comparable.  They were planning on running 2 plays, then kicking.

Yes they were and the yardage needing to be gained to kick a fg at mile high from your 30 is not exactly daunting..  the reward was much more likely than the risk but the qb did something absolutely ridiculous 

 

the difficulty of the situation is being massively overblown and the risk chance is as well.  Such an easy scenario to just throw it away.

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

This was not a hail mary scenario, so not comparable.  They were planning on running 2 plays, then kicking.

 

Why put the QB in a situation where he might lose the ball??  to cut a 1 score deficit to...a 1 score defecit?  That's laughable.

He put himself in position to lose the ball lol a coach would bench you forever if he thought you’d do that in that situation going into the play 😂. Honestly might’ve been one of the lowest iq moments in nfl history.

 

chances you give up points are near 0 and the chance you get into range to attempt a fg at mile high are decent if you do what you’re supposed to.a coach that doesn’t trust their qb to take one shot and throw it away if it’s not there wouldn’t even be starting him 

Edited January 20 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Yes they were and the yardage needing to be gained to kick a fg at mile high from your 30 is not exactly daunting..  the reward was much more likely than the risk but the qb did something absolutely ridiculous 

 

the difficulty of the situation is being massively overblown and the risk chance is as well.  Such an easy scenario to just throw it away.

 

what was the potential benefit? there is no chance to give up points if you kneel and head to the locker room and beat them in the second half.

 

they were getting the ball to start the half where they outscored the Broncos.  they had alreaady fumbled once in the 2nd Q

 

those 3 points were the difference.  how is that "massively overblown".  

5 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Yes they were and the yardage needing to be gained to kick a fg at mile high from your 30 is not exactly daunting..  the reward was much more likely than the risk but the qb did something absolutely ridiculous 

 

the difficulty of the situation is being massively overblown and the risk chance is as well.  Such an easy scenario to just throw it away.

He put himself in position to lose the ball lol a coach would bench you forever if he thought you’d do that in that situation going into the play 😂. Honestly might’ve been one of the lowest iq moments in nfl history.

 

chances you give up points are near 0 and the chance you get into range to attempt a fg at mile high are decent if you do what you’re supposed to.a coach that doesn’t trust their qb to take one shot and throw it away if it’s not there wouldn’t even be starting him 

 

see above.  you do this with 20 seconds left in the 4th Q, not the 2nd Q.

 

you aren't making any sense.  don't look--your football "iq" is showing...

[JGMcD2]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Webb as HC?  he has no significant experience.  Payton is the playcaller in Denver.  Maybe as OC.

His name is everywhere right now. The Ravens, in a similar situation, interviewed him for their head coaching opening, and the Raiders have done the same. Reports say both teams also want to schedule in-person meetings after this weekend. 
 

I’m not saying this is what I want to happen, but according to Kalshi, the top four projected candidates for the Bills Head Coach job are:

• Klint Kubiak (33%)
• Brian Daboll (30%)
• Joe Brady (14%)
• Davis Webb (11%)

FanDuel has the favorites as:

• Brian Daboll: +185
• Davis Webb: +450
• Klint Kubiak: +470
• Joe Brady: +500

I’m not suggesting I want it to happen - just that your point about McDermott having an incestuous regime is ironic. If you look at the current landscape, it actually seems more likely than not that we end up with someone from his sphere of influence.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

what was the potential benefit? there is no chance to give up points if you kneel and head to the locker room and beat them in the second half.

 

they were getting the ball to start the half where they outscored the Broncos.  they had alreaady fumbled once in the 2nd Q

 

those 3 points were the difference.  how is that "massively overblown".  

 

see above.  you do this with 20 seconds left in the 4th Q, not the 2nd Q.

 

you aren't making any sense.  don't look--your football "iq" is showing...

Brother, what?  The broncos swung the whole game on a fg before halftime by your own admission but 3 points would’ve done nothing for the bills going into halftime ? 😂. Make that make sense. 

 

most coaches are going there if the coach’s kicker tells them their range is 60 at mile high.  There is little to no risk if the qb doesn’t do the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.  I see teams take a shot in that situation very often. 
 

I don’t know why you shouldn’t want a low risk 3 points simply because you can tie the game with a td drive coming out of halftime haha pretty ridiculous argument 

absolutely routine play attempted by many teams before that Josh blew badly to levels never before seen.  Love the guy to death as I said and I think him improvising is a net positive.  But not there.

 

what are we even doing here if we think the odds of Josh picking up 25-30 yards or throwing it away are much worse than him completely brain farting honestly.  

Edited January 20 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Brother, what?  The broncos swung the whole game on a fg before halftime by your own admission but 3 points would’ve done nothing for the bills going into halftime ? 😂. Make that make sense. 

 

most coaches are going there if the coach’s kicker tells them their range is 60 at mile high.  There is little to no risk if the qb doesn’t do the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.  I see teams take a shot in that situation very often. 
 

I don’t know why you shouldn’t want a low risk 3 points simply because you can tie the game with a td drive coming out of halftime haha pretty ridiculous argument 

absolutely routine play attempted by many teams before that Josh blew badly to levels never before seen.  Love the guy to death as I said and I think him improvising is a net positive.  But not there.

 

what are we even doing here if we think the odds of Josh picking up 25-30 yards are much worse than him completely brain farting honestly.  

 

 

The 3 points they absolutely didn't need to lose were the difference in the game.  Bills win by 3.  As opposed to 9 if your unlikely scenario was successful?  so what? the Bills had the ball until the end of regulation when they kicked what should have the FG to break a 27-27 tie leaving Broncos 5 seconds to play.

[IYKYK]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

A lot of the players that spoke out so loudly yesterday are guys that aren't likely to be back under a new coach. They know they had a job with McDermott and in his system. Guys like Poyer, Phillips, Lawson, Taron...these guy's are likely not going to be part of the plan next year. Notice guys like Bishop, Benford, Oliver didn't say anything (that I saw). There's a lot to be said for employees wanting to keep the status quo.

 

Oddly, I didn't see anyone from the current offense chime in. Mitch Morse had a comment. 

 

Also, I find it fun that if you look at all the coaches that were fired on the whole "players grading" thing they do...most of the coaches fired actually had high marks from the players. 

 

The only surprising thing to me is after years of a sizable portion of the fan base wanting McDermott gone and supporting Beane, at the end people are in their feels about Sean and bashing their once hero Big Balla Beane. 

 

I feel bad for Sean. I feel worse for the fanbase that has still yet to see a Super Bowl appearance from this era of Bills football. 

Injury prone Oliver has no right to say anything. We need to trade him for picks since it seems the new coach will want to bring in his own players. Oliver is made of glass, like most of the players on defense. I can name 5 maybe 6 players on defense who should be back starting next year. The rest are a bunch of past there prime or were never any good. Despite all the draft picks we have drafted the last few years. That's on beane.

[mjt328]

2 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

I think that’s a sign of mental fatigue; the Bills have been good for so long, and it became clear that the regular season and even division titles, weren’t going to do it. So I think they have periods where they coast and lose games, knowing it won’t matter as long as they can regroup and turn it on in the playoffs. Problem is, they never showed an ability to do that in the playoffs, so the mid-season funk only dug a deeper hole for them. 
 

It must be a real challenge to get up and stay up for 17 weeks and “want it” more than your opponent every week. I think that is why McDermott had to go. Needed some new life injected into the organization. He took them as far as he was capable. 

 

How often anymore do the Bills show up and just blow the doors off an opponent?

Seems like it's been happening less and less over the last 2-3 seasons.

 

Even non-Bills fans tell me this team plays down to the competition way too often.

This year was the worst of all.

 

- Those stupid losses result in us losing the playoff bye and/or homefield advantage.

- Injuries inevitably happen in the Wild Card Round, which impacts the Divisional Round.

 

[mjt328]

1 hour ago, bmur66 said:

Who is Allen’s buddy on the sideline? All I ever saw was him sitting on the bench by himself with no coach in his ear or head. Maybe Trubisky when they were ahead but nobody was there to get him out of a funk.

 

 

Reports are that Josh Allen has gotten a significant voice in:

- The hiring of our last two offensive coordinators

- The other backup QBs on the roster

- The addition/drafting of WR talent (Keon Coleman)

 

[tigerthelion]

45 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

It’s a routine situation lol I can’t believe mcd is taking heat for that specifically.  It’s like saying don’t take a Hail Mary shot at the 50 going into halftime because you could fumble six

I blame Josh on that one for sure.  Throw it away or take a shot.  Running the ball , losing focus and giving it up like that is beyond a rookie mistake.   

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

The 3 points they absolutely didn't need to lose were the difference in the game.  Bills win by 3.  As opposed to 9 if your unlikely scenario was successful?  so what? the Bills had the ball until the end of regulation when they kicked what should have the FG to break a 27-27 tie leaving Broncos 5 seconds to play.

 

So now mcd was fired for not having access to the future scoreboard? 😂. Coaches should know how much they’re gonna win the game by and do just enough to win to prevent risk?  Insanely ironic considering we complain about mcd getting too conservative with a lead all the time.  Good gravy.
 

In the moment you’re trailing 7 and can take 1 obscenely low risk shot to get into range to attempt a fg to cut it 4. Drop back survey the field throw it away.  Even a grounding penalty does absolutely nothing to hurt you. Josh under no pressure scrambled without protecting the football at all and the ball got punched out like 25 yards backwards lol it was probably one of the dumbest decisions by a player I’ve ever seen.  Hell even if he’s protecting the ball and fumbles and Denver falls on it and recovers there’s no time to attempt a fg 

Edited January 20 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

 

So now mcd was fired for not having access to the future scoreboard? 😂. Coaches should know how much they’re gonna win the game by and do just enough to win to prevent risk?  Insanely ironic considering we complain about mcd getting too conservative with a lead all the time.  Good gravy.
 

In the moment you’re trailing 7 and can take 1 obscenely low risk shot to get into range to attempt a fg to cut it 4. Drop back survey the field throw it away.  Even a grounding penalty does absolutely nothing to hurt you. Josh under no pressure scrambled without protecting the football at all and the ball got punched out like 25 yards backwards lol it was probably one of the dumbest decisions by a player I’ve ever seen.  Hell even if he’s protecting the ball and fumbles and Denver falls on it and recovers there’s no time to attempt a fg 

 

we all know what happened.  but it didn't have to happen at all--and the Bills would be playing this weekend.  simple--now need for McD to see the future scoreboard (would have said 30-27 Final).  A one score deficit at the half is just that.  It was a move of desperation at a time when there was no urgency at all.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

I blame Josh on that one for sure.  Throw it away or take a shot.  Running the ball , losing focus and giving it up like that is beyond a rookie mistake.   

It’s honestly crazy…I think some people don’t realize we started on the 30 and it only really takes 22-30 yards to give yourself a shot at mile high.  If the only positive result was a deep blown coverage td then yea id get where people are coming from.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

we all know what happened.  but it didn't have to happen at all--and the Bills would be playing this weekend.  simple--now need for McD to see the future scoreboard (would have said 30-27 Final).  A one score deficit at the half is just that.  It was a move of desperation at a time when there was no urgency at all.

So without having access to the final result and for all you know you will absolutely need that +3 points, still don’t try to score before halftime if you’re trailing by 7 or less… got it.  At what point do you try to score before halftime if you’re the coach? Would 30 seconds do it? 40? If the pass to get you into fg range is 20 yards instead of 25 etc.  

 

I think people flubbed this one and didn’t understand fg was a pretty probable result being at mile high and starting at the 30 to be honest with you and now they’re just super dug in about it. Romo even goofed there imo..I think most coaches in the league have a convo with the kicker, know it takes x time to spike and if they can use the whole field and spike and have a reasonable shot at a fg it’s an easy go scenario.  That’s a really really low risk situation…deep INT doesn’t hurt, grounding doesn’t hurt, incompletion doesn’t hurt, Josh running some and sliding doesn’t hurt, incomplete pass doesn’t hurt.  Heck even one shot down the sideline is worth it if you don’t think you can spike.  If you’re starting on the 20 obviously that changes everything.  Then a fg isn’t really as feasible 

 

do you always take a knee because your qb can fumble on a completely routine minimal risk play that any qb in the league can execute? 

 

Edited January 20 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[SoMAn]

My problem with that is the 'change for the sake of change' mentality. It's a hell of a gamble. The change could blow up in their faces. I predict that it will.

The Bills under McDermott weren't ripe for a complete reset.  They were a couple of bad plays and/or a couple of bad calls away from advancing this year and last year.  Instead of blaming McDermott for those losses, how about acknowledging the incredible record he had considering a largely average roster?

Beane has made a mess of the cap and the talent he's drafted.