Maybe It's Good the Players Are Not Happy

[mjt328]

Six straight seasons of basically the EXACT SAME result.

Start strong.  Slump mid-season (costing us the bye).  Finish strong and end with 11-13 wins. 

Wild card victory.  Loss in the divisional or championship round.

 

Something had to change.  It would be insanity to think otherwise.

 

It is well known that players liked Sean McDermott.  He was a player's coach, who created a family-atmosphere in the locker room.

Lots of veterans (Poyer, White, etc.) came back here because of how much they loved playing on this kind of team.

Coaches also liked being here, because McDermott liked promoting in-house, instead of exploring all options outside the organization.

 

But maybe that approach was ultimately part of the problem.  Maybe it led to the team being too comfortable and complacent.

Maybe Josh Allen doesn't need a buddy on the sidelines.  Maybe he needs someone that's going to challenge him to reach the next level.

 

The most successful franchise in NFL history had an unbearable jerk on the sideline, who everyone hated.  Just something to think about.

 

[<bills4life>]

1 minute ago, mjt328 said:

Six straight seasons of basically the EXACT SAME result.

Start strong.  Slump mid-season (costing us the bye).  Finish strong and end with 11-13 wins. 

Wild card victory.  Loss in the divisional or championship round.

 

Something had to change.  It would be insanity to think otherwise.

 

It is well known that players liked Sean McDermott.  He was a player's coach, who created a family-atmosphere in the locker room.

Lots of veterans (Poyer, White, etc.) came back here because of how much they loved playing on this kind of team.

Coaches also liked being here, because McDermott liked promoting in-house, instead of exploring all options outside the organization.

 

But maybe that approach was ultimately part of the problem.  Maybe it led to the team being too comfortable and complacent.

Maybe Josh Allen doesn't need a buddy on the sidelines.  Maybe he needs someone that's going to challenge him to reach the next level.

 

The most successful franchise in NFL history had an unbearable jerk on the sideline, who everyone hated.  Just something to think about.

 

I think some of your thoughts are spot on. Lost in the beane vs McDermott drama, is talk about player accountability. They play a role in all of this as well the past 9 years 

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

I think some of your thoughts are spot on. Lost in the beane vs McDermott drama, is talk about player accountability. They play a role in all of this as well the past 9 years 

Ironic that in McDermotts final game-the player that may have saved his job over the last 6 years under threw multiple important passes and had 4 turnovers that directly led to the loss.  2 of the under throws were interceptions (yes, the cooks interception was underthrown and a better pass = game over).  

funny how the world works.  Especially the world of the Buffalo Bills.  

 

[gonzo1105]

I keep saying it in other threads I want someone who is tougher on guys so the mental lapses are cut down on 

[<bills4life>]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Ironic that in McDermotts final game-the player that may have saved his job over the last 6 years under threw multiple important passes and had 4 turnovers that directly led to the loss.  2 of the under throws were interceptions (yes, the cooks interception was underthrown and a better pass = game over).  

funny how the world works.  Especially the world of the Buffalo Bills.  

 

Maybe that was the epiphany moment, they realized that Josh can’t always be perfect.  For me it was after 13 seconds, even when he was perfect it still wasn’t enough. What a waste. They waited far too long. 

[haroldwaide]

As much as it hurts to say this...Bellicheat would have won multiple superbowls with this team...

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Ironic that in McDermotts final game-the player that may have saved his job over the last 6 years under threw multiple important passes and had 4 turnovers that directly led to the loss.  2 of the under throws were interceptions (yes, the cooks interception was underthrown and a better pass = game over).  

funny how the world works.  Especially the world of the Buffalo Bills.  

 

 

Josh delivered a blessing in disguise.

[<bills4life>]

1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:

I keep saying it in other threads I want someone who is tougher on guys so the mental lapses are cut down on 

Keon Coleman comes to mind.  The second time he came late or no show to a meeting he would have been gone.  Never should have been drafted that early to begin with. 

[Low Positive]

My hope is that a new voice in the locker room will focus everyone and prevent those lapses as we saw in Atlanta and Miami. There is no excuse for playing that badly in those two games. After the Miami game, the general comment from the Bills was that "they wanted it more." HOW!!!! How could a Miami team, that was going nowhere, want it more than a contending team coming off a huge win against KC? That can't happen.

[MrEpsYtown]

Yeah, I think it is good that the players are upset and the local media is losing their minds. 

 

Change was needed, and it hurts sometimes, but that's the way it is. 

 

I remember the contingent of people who wanted to hire Anthony Lynn after Rex got fired for continuity purposes...how would taht have gone?

 

Move on, clean break. Find a new path. There is a good chance the players and media don't like the next coach as much as they liked Sean. That's fine. I just want to win. 

[eball]

Fresh eyes and a new voice in the room are definitely needed after this recent run that always ends in disappointment. I think too many veterans have been given the benefit of the doubt, and complacency sets in. 
 

Remember, good is the enemy of great. 
 

[<bills4life>]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Yeah, I think it is good that the players are upset and the local media is losing their minds. 

 

Change was needed, and it hurts sometimes, but that's the way it is. 

 

I remember the contingent of people who wanted to hire Anthony Lynn after Rex got fired for continuity purposes...how would taht have gone?

 

Move on, clean break. Find a new path. There is a good chance the players and media don't like the next coach as much as they liked Sean. That's fine. I just want to win. 

That’s the problem.  Beane is still here.  This franchise needed a complete factory reset. Not a quick update patch. 

[Green Lightning]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Yeah, I think it is good that the players are upset and the local media is losing their minds. 

 

Change was needed, and it hurts sometimes, but that's the way it is. 

 

I remember the contingent of people who wanted to hire Anthony Lynn after Rex got fired for continuity purposes...how would taht have gone?

 

Move on, clean break. Find a new path. There is a good chance the players and media don't like the next coach as much as they liked Sean. That's fine. I just want to win. 

Agreed, but both GM and Coach should have been replaced. I hope I'm 100% wrong, but I don't trust Beane with Josh's future. 

[zow2]

4 minutes ago, haroldwaide said:

As much as it hurts to say this...Bellicheat would have won multiple superbowls with this team...

 

In his prime yes,  because Belichek would have had a tough as nails defense on the field.  Defense still wins championships.

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, eball said:

Remember, good is the enemy of great. 

But don't let perfection be the enemy of good and whatever you do, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. 

[Green Lightning]

1 minute ago, zow2 said:

 

 Defense still wins championships.

Unless CJ Stroud is your QB.

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

That’s the problem.  Beane is still here.  This franchise needed a complete factory reset. Not a quick update patch. 

That may have happened if they had bottomed out and missed the playoffs. But hiring a GM and then letting him hire his coach, which is the preferred method, takes a lot of time. The candidate pool of HCs would be really thin if the Bills started that process this late in the cycle. We are already in a situation where Baltimore and Pittsburgh also have openings. 

[<bills4life>]

4 minutes ago, eball said:

Fresh eyes and a new voice in the room are definitely needed after this recent run that always ends in disappointment. I think too many veterans have been given the benefit of the doubt, and complacency sets in. 
 

Remember, good is the enemy of great. 
 

Dion Dawkins comes to mind. 

[MrEpsYtown]

Just now, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

That’s the problem.  Beane is still here.  This franchise needed a complete factory reset. Not a quick update patch. 

 

Just now, Green Lightning said:

Agreed, but both GM and Coach should have been replaced. I hope I'm 100% wrong, but I don't trust Beane with Josh's future. 

 

Yep, I don't disagree. Should have been a total change.

 

I'm guessing Pegula was afraid to navigate this process on his own. The Dolphins had to get Troy Aikman to help? That's just crazy stuff. If Beane has less to do with player personnel as more of a czar, that could be a good thing. He should be gone, but I kind of understand why he isn't. 

[zow2]

Just now, Green Lightning said:

Unless CJ Stroud is your QB.

 

Yes, you have to have at least competent QB'ing.    This year Seattle, NE and Denver all have solid D.  Rams supposedly do too but we saw a dropoff late in the season, until the Chicago game.