Different take on Beane vs McDermott situation

[TheFunPolice]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Not really. Happy keeps saying McD had full control of the roster but we have no proof of that. 

 

If he did, I doubt he’s making comments to the media about players he wishes he had. And reports have already surfaced of Beane being upset with those comments.

 

I guess I want to believe it. 

 

Because if Beane truly thought a WR corps and held a DL consisting of practice squad level players was good enough we are screwed. 

 

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It’s pretty obvious to me that Brandon Beane has a lot to own when it comes to the roster. 
 

Just keep perpetuating the propaganda slop that McD was banging on the table for Boogie Basham, and then Joe Schoen traded for him but Beane just got overruled.  Will be fun when Beano drafts another 9 Carolina mold players next season. 
 

How many times can you get shocked by the electrified cheese man

 

I don't let Beane off the hook either when he makes excuses. That one press conference he had where he talked about how we haven't been bad enough to draft the likes of Ja'Marr Chase, that was a loser mindset too. Beane deserved to get fired, I haven't come off that opinion. But I'm growing tired of this media-driven narrative that poor little McDermott was treated unfairly by his backstabbing GM and his clueless owner. McDermott deserved exactly what he got yesterday. He has had ample opportunity over the years to get the team over the hump and he blew it every time. His path to the Super Bowl this year was Lawrence, Nix, Maye. That's an unbelievably easy path!! And he blew it. For all the roster deficiencies, the plays were there to be made on Saturday and his defense didn't make them. But now we have to hear about how none of it was his fault.

[Einstein]

7 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Sure it makes sense. 

McD: I asked for a safety, DT and DE to be upgraded in offseson per my specific requirements.
Beane: Sean we gave you what you asked for.
McD: Yes but what you gave me isn't good enough and we are still bad in those areas.

It's completely plausible McD has a set specification of the type of players he requires to run his scheme. Beane tries to acquire those players. He does a good or bad job, that's up for debate. McD is still not happy with certain positions within the team.

 

We have no idea which part of the roster McD complained about or critized. Was it the WR? Was it defense? Was it his 'role players' on ST?

 

Beane and McD are both as bad as each other, and are throwing out all sorts of propaganda... I don't believe any of it and they both should have gone.

 

I think that would be fair for McD to be upset about. You don’t?

 

Example: If you ask for fruit, and the waiter brings you fruit,  but it’s moldy … are you happy?

 

”But I brought you fruit as you asked!” the waiter replies.

 

Sometimes I feel like posters are completely forgetting what Beane did over the past year. He trades a top 10 WR (fine), then doesn’t replace him, drafts a bust WR, doesn’t replace said bust WR with a quality free agent the next year, goes on the radio and defends his bad WR room, releases Ingram to claim Darius Slay who doesn’t want to come to Buffalo, and then suddenly McD is to blame for all this!?!?

 

I don’t get it.

 

1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

I guess I want to believe it. 

 

Because if Beane truly thought a WR corps and held a DL consisting of practice squad level players was good enough we are screwed. 

 

 

Did you listen to the WGR audio Beane had about the WR room? He 100% believes the players we had were good enough.

 

He even told the radio folks that they didn’t trust him when he drafted Allen and they don’t trust him how. 

[streetkings01]

22 minutes ago, FireChans said:

They were both going to knife each other imo and have been laying groundwork for it.

 

i find it so funny how so many of you are so quick to paint every bad decision as a McD one in defense of BRANDON BEANE who is a nobody lol

Nobody is doing that, but a lot of our issues for not reaching a Super Bowl weren’t always related to on-field talent ……it was related to on-field coaching decisions that always seemed to be the wrong one. Just because the loss to the Broncos was more due to the talent that was put on the field doesn’t excuse the previous losses which were us being severely out coached. 

Edited January 20 by streetkings01

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

I think that would be fair for McD to be upset about. You don’t?

 

Example: If you ask for fruit, and the waiter brings you fruit,  but it’s moldy … are you happy?

 

”But I brought you fruit as you asked!” the waiter replies.

 

Sometimes I feel like posters are completely forgetting what Beane did over the past year. He trades a top 10 WR (fine), then doesn’t replace him, drafts a bust WR, doesn’t replace said bust WR with a quality free agent the next year, goes on the radio and defends his bad WR room, releases Ingram to claim Darius Slay who doesn’t want to come to Buffalo, and then suddenly McD is to blame for all this!?!?

 

I don’t get it.

 

I'm not forgetting it. I'm not taking sides, is what I'm not doing. I don't think McD did a good enough job either. And I've got plenty to criticize Beane about. Just because Beane is still with the Bills doesn't mean I have to like it and am on his side. And just because McD is gone doesn't mean he shouldn't be.

[OldTimer1960]

59 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

Based on the timeline it seemed like McDermott can’t make up his mind with how he wants the offense constructed…..one minute he wants pass happy, next he wants run heavy then he wants to go back to pass happy after you constructed an offense that’s run heavy 🤪

When you have a bottom 5 WR group, it would make no sense to structure your offense around them.  He had to work around that weakness by emphasizing the run game - which they did very well.

 

My complaint is that the defense has been decimated by injuries the past 2 years and McDermott is basically being blamed for that instead of celebrating that he extracted a lot from the backups and street FA that had to play.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't let Beane off the hook either when he makes excuses. That one press conference he had where he talked about how we haven't been bad enough to draft the likes of Ja'Marr Chase, that was a loser mindset too. Beane deserved to get fired, I haven't come off that opinion. But I'm growing tired of this media-driven narrative that poor little McDermott was treated unfairly by his backstabbing GM and his clueless owner. McDermott deserved exactly what he got yesterday. He has had ample opportunity over the years to get the team over the hump and he blew it every time. His path to the Super Bowl this year was Lawrence, Nix, Maye. That's an unbelievably easy path!! And he blew it. For all the roster deficiencies, the plays were there to be made on Saturday and his defense didn't make them. But now we have to hear about how none of it was his fault.

McD got what he deserved and Beane didn’t is my take. And that is more of an injustice than them sniping at each other via their media mouthpieces

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't let Beane off the hook either when he makes excuses. That one press conference he had where he talked about how we haven't been bad enough to draft the likes of Ja'Marr Chase, that was a loser mindset too. Beane deserved to get fired, I haven't come off that opinion. But I'm growing tired of this media-driven narrative that poor little McDermott was treated unfairly by his backstabbing GM and his clueless owner. McDermott deserved exactly what he got yesterday. He has had ample opportunity over the years to get the team over the hump and he blew it every time. His path to the Super Bowl this year was Lawrence, Nix, Maye. That's an unbelievably easy path!! And he blew it. For all the roster deficiencies, the plays were there to be made on Saturday and his defense didn't make them. But now we have to hear about how none of it was his fault.

This is just the beginning. As more comes out your going to find out there is actually a lot of disfunction at One Bills Drive. I feel like the Bills are headed towards what the Sabres front office has been before firing Adams. IMO the only reason both stayed as long as they did was Allen carrying them to the playoffs each season. 

[Dillenger4]

1 hour ago, streetkings01 said:

We’ve also seen McDermott have friction with both defensive coordinators. At one point he took playcalling duties away from Frazier and Babbich. There is a pattern with McDermott and his coordinators. 

Don't forget Dorsey and Daboll. Word is, Daboll and McD are in the bads.

[TheFunPolice]

This could have been part of what felt like a pattern for McDermott: passing the buck

 

Small defensive players are definitely McDermott's specifications so I can see some frustration there when he complained. 

 

A run first offense was also McDermott's idea, as shown when Dorsey was fired and Brady put in place. The offense immediately became more run heavy, proving that is what McDermott wanted. 

 

It could very well be that Beane did what he could to find players that fit McDermott's requirements and then McDermott tried to throw him under the bus this time around. 

 

 

I forgot about Leslie Frazier and that entire mess...

 

 

[Einstein]

8 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

I'm not forgetting it. I'm not taking sides, is what I'm not doing. I don't think McD did a good enough job either. And I've got plenty to criticize Beane about. Just because Beane is still with the Bills doesn't mean I have to like it and am on his side. And just because McD is gone doesn't mean he shouldn't be.

 

I can understand that. I understand why it may have been time to move on from McD. But to PROMOTE Beane after letting McD go is pure lunacy. If anything, I attribute more blame to Beane than McD. That doesn’t mean I absolve McD.

[Sweats]

It looks to me that although the team was competitive the past 9 years, it was obviously lacking a clear and precise direction........a franchise can't sustain being a rudderless ship.

 

I've said it before, the team lacked an identity for 9 years, flip flopping between pass heavy, run heavy, dink and dunk, take what the D gives you, bend but don't break, etc. and an absolutely dismal D that more than often let the team down in key situations.

The team has been aimless with little in the way of answers or resolution.

 

I don't care who was let go yesterday, whether it was McD or Beane, but at least one of them had to go.

[WotAGuy]

33 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The head coach can't sit down with the owner right before the playoffs and say "this team can't win a Super Bowl." That is a loser mindset. The Pats have some major roster deficiencies too. You think Vrabel sat down with Kraft a few weeks ago to bemoan how unfair it is?

 

Everything that comes out about McDermott makes me like him less. He got full control of the roster, then he spends the whole season taking potshots at the roster construction in press conferences, and apparently behind the scenes he was laying the foundation to give himself an excuse for not winning a Super Bowl. It's gross.

LOL. How do you know he said what you quoted?  Maybe he just identified the elephant in the room, and told them certain position groups weren’t good enough?

[Wayne Cubed]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I can understand that. I understand why it may have been time to move on from McD. But to PROMOTE Beane after letting McD go is pure lunacy. If anything, I attribute more blame to Beane than McD. That doesn’t mean I absolve McD.

Oh I agree, I actually thought it was Beane going to go first, I just don't think McD desrved to stay either. The Bills had a window, 2020-2023 with a very good roaster and McD did not get it done. Beane did himself no favours after with restocking the cupboards, because besides Josh/Cook... they are pretty bare.

[boyst]

one big thing was that the team had a players only meeting. they decided Dorsey had to go. they went to McD with this. McD didn't do anything. team came out and laid a stinker against the Broncos because they quit on McD.

McD's hand was forced by his team to cut Dorsey.

 

this is fact. this is not rumor or speculation. this is 100% truth and happened.

[Dablitzkrieg]

So did Beane leak the 9-11 story?

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

If this is true, this gives me a very uneasy feeling about things moving forward.   I don't believe I have felt as much angst finishing a season in any time as this one.  We all feel the pressure, we have not just a unicorn but THE unicorn of unicorns in Josh Allen and no Superbowl.  5 years ago, in my mind it was a 99% surety that the Bills were going to win a Superbowl, now I view it as 50/50.  Time in a ticking and despite McDermott's flaws, he has steadily been improving, his aggressiveness and willingness to change certain things have happened.   

 

Again if this reporting is true, the fact that Beane and now some media figures that appear to be parroting his line that the problem wasn't lack of blue chippers but coaching is very disconcerting.  

 

The media better ask very difficult questions to Beane this upcoming presser.  They need to press him about the lack of pass rushing and boundary receiver talent.  Also, I get that Josh Allen should have a say and his voice heard but they need to make sure that they don't go primarily what Josh wants in selecting their next head coach.   The main problem has been the defense, not the offense.  So I want to know what their process is going to be in making sure that their next head coach gets the right DC in place, for me that is the most critical piece out of the entire coaching selection.  Who will be the coach of the defense and what will be their governing philosophy.

 

 

this first came up Sunday in national media. Ross Tucker was the source of this through his contacts in Buff media.

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

this first came up Sunday in national media. Ross Tucker was the source of this through his contacts in Buff media.

 

You we’re the first to notice this. Good work.

[boyst]

37 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It’s pretty obvious to me that Brandon Beane has a lot to own when it comes to the roster. 
 

Just keep perpetuating the propaganda slop that McD was banging on the table for Boogie Basham, and then Joe Schoen traded for him but Beane just got overruled.  Will be fun when Beano drafts another 9 Carolina mold players next season. 
 

How many times can you get shocked by the electrified cheese man

Beane will pull a big trade as soon as he can so he can change the narrative.

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

Beane will pull a big trade as soon as he can so he can change the narrative.

LFG Justin Jefferson