Different take on Beane vs McDermott situation

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, appoo said:

The more and more info that leaks out makes me think Beane stabbed McDermott in the back.  

 

I don’t see how we can come to any other conclusion with the info currently presented.

 

 

[streetkings01]

Those who’ve worked with the head coach on a day-to-day basis predicted all of this — months in advance — because they’ve seen how McDermott operates on a day-to-day basis. How tangibly nervous he gets in close games. How he has never truly appreciated his gift from the football gods: Josh Allen. How he’s quick to blame everyone but himself in defeat. That’s why one coach — in June — began by asking a simple question: “If they fail again this year? What does ownership do with Sean?”

 

Three seconds later, he answered his own hypothetical.

 

“Next year if they fail, you know who’ll be the first person he serves up? Ken Dorsey.”

 

The coach wasn’t quite sure how McDermott would manage to put Dorsey’s head on a stick. After all, it’s the head coach’s beloved defense that has melted in four straight postseason losses. The honeymoon period with fans ended a long time ago — pointing a finger at his breadwinning quarterback, again, surely wouldn’t work. Yet even back in June, this assistant knew his old boss would find a way to deflect blame.

 

“Watch,” he said, “if they sputter at all during this year, the narrative’s going to be the offense.”

 

🤔

Edited January 20 by streetkings01

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

McDermott was just saying what everyone here and much of the press was saying; the roster is flawed and had major deficiencies.  

 

The head coach can't sit down with the owner right before the playoffs and say "this team can't win a Super Bowl." That is a loser mindset. The Pats have some major roster deficiencies too. You think Vrabel sat down with Kraft a few weeks ago to bemoan how unfair it is?

 

Everything that comes out about McDermott makes me like him less. He got full control of the roster, then he spends the whole season taking potshots at the roster construction in press conferences, and apparently behind the scenes he was laying the foundation to give himself an excuse for not winning a Super Bowl. It's gross.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

So a few weeks before the playoff starts, the head coach is laying out excuses for why his team isn't good enough to win in the playoffs? And this story is supposed to make Pegula and Beane look like the bad guys?

They were both going to knife each other imo and have been laying groundwork for it.

 

i find it so funny how so many of you are so quick to paint every bad decision as a McD one in defense of BRANDON BEANE who is a nobody lol

[Bad Things Man]

McDermott's defense was flawed and he did everything on the offensive side of the ball to compensate for it.  Bend but don't break keeping  everything in front of you leads to long drives from the opponents and and not getting off the field on third down.  It was infuriating to watch and played right into what the opponents wanted to do which was keep the ball out of Josh's hands for as long as possible.  Plus we put everything into our run game and in the playoffs you play defenses that can shut it down, then what do you do.  Ever notice we never went tempo to change things up when the offense was struggling. McDermott always wanted to keep things slow to protect the defense.  Never gunna win superbowl like that.  I support the decision with hopefully a make it or break it year for beane.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

The head coach can't sit down with the owner right before the playoffs and say "this team can't win a Super Bowl." That is a loser mindset. The Pats have some major roster deficiencies too. You think Vrabel sat down with Kraft a few weeks ago to bemoan how unfair it is?

 

Everything that comes out about McDermott makes me like him less. He got full control of the roster, then he spends the whole season taking potshots at the roster construction in press conferences, and apparently behind the scenes he was laying the foundation to give himself an excuse for not winning a Super Bowl. It's gross.

The GM you are dying on the sword for went on the radio and said he was immune from criticism because he picked Josh Allen 

[Jrb1979]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

The head coach can't sit down with the owner right before the playoffs and say "this team can't win a Super Bowl." That is a loser mindset. The Pats have some major roster deficiencies too. You think Vrabel sat down with Kraft a few weeks ago to bemoan how unfair it is?

 

Everything that comes out about McDermott makes me like him less. He got full control of the roster, then he spends the whole season taking potshots at the roster construction in press conferences, and apparently behind the scenes he was laying the foundation to give himself an excuse for not winning a Super Bowl. It's gross.

He had to go for sure. Why is it one versus the other. IMO Beane deserves as much blame for this roster as McDermott does. IMO this is the beginning of the end for this era of Bills football. I don't see Beane making this a Super Bowl team. 

[Magox]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

So a few weeks before the playoff starts, the head coach is laying out excuses for why his team isn't good enough to win in the playoffs? And this story is supposed to make Pegula and Beane look like the bad guys?

 

We don't know the full context of the story, but it is very difficult to argue with the premise of the argument.

 

McDermott is not without blame, his biggest failings aside from the 13 second catastrophe has been his inability to have a good defense when it counted most.  The fact that this team has given up on average of 33 points in its last 6 playoff exits and never less than 27 is the primary reason of his failings.   And the fact that his defense could not scheme up ways to stop the run over the past few seasons or inability to use guys such as Poona and Settle also are in deep question.

 

I have been a Beane defender over the years, but this season was a terrible year for him.    His PR disaster regarding the WR question this offseason, substantively I largely agreed with his take, but where he fell short was that Keon Coleman who we was banking on along with Palmer were going to be added pieces to fill the void and he ended up being wrong.  But it doesn't end there, he over the years has not brought in good pass rushers through the draft, that's a critical part of having a good defense and for whatever the reason it just hasn't panned out.    But the two other egregious mistakes was the Slay/Ingram debacle and if you look at the timeline, that may have precipitated this aforementioned discussion.  We let go of Ingram, he was a solid depth piece, and now in hindsight, could he have prevented that TD that Jackson gave up?   Maybe.  Either way because of that decision we were worse off and that is not in dispute.   

 

The other was failing to come up with a WR at the end of trade deadline.  That may also have been the motivation of why McDermott voiced his displeasure.  The Jaguars got Meyers for a couple late to mid rounders and he ended up being a critical missing piece for them.  We lost out on Waddle because he didn't want to give up this upcoming 1st, just imagine if we had Waddle.  Do you really believe we would have lost this game with those down the field passes when they were manning up against us?

 

Both have their flaws, but if I were to pick one over the other, it would be McDermott.  Either way, its a moot point and now we have to hope that Beane is asked the very tough questions by the reporters and that there is a deep level of introspection on his part of his most recent shortcomings. 

[BuffaloRebound]

14 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

This sounds like Beane had control of the roster and McDermott didn’t like the talent Beane was putting on it.

 

 

Or Beane built the roster exactly how Mcdermott wanted it and Mcdermott is now complaining the roster isn’t good enough.  It’s all guesswork.  

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

i find it so funny how so many of you are so quick to paint every bad decision as a McD one in defense of BRANDON BEANE who is a nobody lol

 

I'm not defending Beane. The roster deficiencies were obvious and he has to own that. How much he was responsible vs McDermott, we'll never know the full picture there. But McDermott got everything he wanted in the offseason. To come back a few months later and say it isn't good enough, that's a load of crap IMO.

[Einstein]

Just now, BuffaloRebound said:

Or Beane built the roster exactly how Mcdermott wanted it and Mcdermott is now complaining the roster isn’t good enough.  It’s all guesswork.  

 

I agree that we are all guessing, but that’s all you can do with limited info.

 

However, the information that is being leaked does point to the opposite of what you’re saying. Why would McD be complaining to Beane about Beane building the roster than McD wanted? That doesn’t make any sense.

[appoo]

Just now, BuffaloRebound said:

Or Beane built the roster exactly how Mcdermott wanted it and Mcdermott is now complaining the roster isn’t good enough.  It’s all guesswork.  

Yes because McDermott told beane he wanted a pass rush specialist who could no longer pass rush after thanksgiving 

[FireChans]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

I'm not defending Beane. The roster deficiencies were obvious and he has to own that. How much he was responsible vs McDermott, we'll never know the full picture there. But McDermott got everything he wanted in the offseason. To come back a few months later and say it isn't good enough, that's a load of crap IMO.

It’s pretty obvious to me that Brandon Beane has a lot to own when it comes to the roster. 
 

Just keep perpetuating the propaganda slop that McD was banging on the table for Boogie Basham, and then Joe Schoen traded for him but Beane just got overruled.  Will be fun when Beano drafts another 9 Carolina mold players next season. 
 

How many times can you get shocked by the electrified cheese man

[Einstein]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

I'm not defending Beane. The roster deficiencies were obvious and he has to own that. How much he was responsible vs McDermott, we'll never know the full picture there. But McDermott got everything he wanted in the offseason. To come back a few months later and say it isn't good enough, that's a load of crap IMO.

 

Do a source tell you that? First i’ve heard it.

 

I have some doubt because McD clearly wanted receivers - he mentioned it more than once - and Beane did not give him receivers.

Also, this:

 

[TheFunPolice]

18 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Breaking news: Boss doesn’t like what employee has to say.  Film at 11!

 

Well, maybe this is why Beane looked the way he did when they showed him on TV at the final Highmark game. 

 

He knew it (McBeane) was over. 

 

This doesn't make me feel good though. If Beane truly thought our roster was a SB caliber roster then we could be in trouble.

 

[BuffaloRebound]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I agree that we are all guessing, but that’s all you can do with limited info.

 

However, the information that is being leaked does point to the opposite of what you’re saying. Why would McD be complaining to Beane about Beane building the roster than McD wanted? That doesn’t make any sense.

Doesnt seem like it made sense to Pegula and Beane either.  

[TheFunPolice]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The head coach can't sit down with the owner right before the playoffs and say "this team can't win a Super Bowl." That is a loser mindset. The Pats have some major roster deficiencies too. You think Vrabel sat down with Kraft a few weeks ago to bemoan how unfair it is?

 

Everything that comes out about McDermott makes me like him less. He got full control of the roster, then he spends the whole season taking potshots at the roster construction in press conferences, and apparently behind the scenes he was laying the foundation to give himself an excuse for not winning a Super Bowl. It's gross.

 

This makes a lot of sense. 

[Wayne Cubed]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

I agree that we are all guessing, but that’s all you can do with limited info.

 

However, the information that is being leaked does point to the opposite of what you’re saying. Why would McD be complaining to Beane about Beane building the roster than McD wanted? That doesn’t make any sense.

 

Sure it makes sense. 

McD: I asked for a safety, DT and DE to be upgraded in offseson per my specific requirements.
Beane: Sean we gave you what you asked for.
McD: Yes but what you gave me isn't good enough and we are still bad in those areas.

It's completely plausible McD has a set specification of the type of players he requires to run his scheme. Beane tries to acquire those players. He does a good or bad job, that's up for debate. McD is still not happy with certain positions within the team.

 

We have no idea which part of the roster McD complained about or critized. Was it the WR? Was it defense? Was it his 'role players' on ST?

 

Beane and McD are both as bad as each other, and are throwing out all sorts of propaganda... I don't believe any of it and they both should have gone.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

This makes a lot of sense. 

 

Not really. Happy keeps saying McD had full control of the roster but we have no proof of that. 

 

If he did, I doubt he’s making comments to the media about players he wishes he had. And reports have already surfaced of Beane being upset with those comments.

[Wayne Cubed]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Do a source tell you that? First i’ve heard it.

 

I have some doubt because McD clearly wanted receivers - he mentioned it more than once - and Beane did not give him receivers.

Also, this:

 

 

C'mon he didn't mention he wanted receivers mutiple times. He mentioned he liked what Jacksonville did aquiring Meyers, a couple times. This wasn't Sean mentioning multiple times in season that he wasn't happy with the WR room. This is Sean mentioning it before a playoff game, possibly knowing he's playing for his job. The Bills have had absolute crap at WR, why wasn't he banging down the door last year?