Different take on Beane vs McDermott situation

[streetkings01]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Beane definitely had to be frustrated with McDermott.

 

Look no further than Poona ford and Tim Settle. Those guys can barely got a game day jersey when they were here , and now they are both meaningful pieces to good defences.

 

It is clear Beane felt like McDermott didn't maximize the talent, especially on the defensive side. In which I would agree with him 

 

 

We posted the same thing at the same time.

[TheBrownBear]

They tried two different philosophies on offense between Daboll/Dorsey and (oft-maligned) Brady and they both mostly worked and were the team's strength in the postseason. The postseason defense is 80+% of why we've never advanced to the postseason.  I think it's as simple as that.

[Wayne Cubed]

17 minutes ago, Magox said:

If this is true, this gives me a very uneasy feeling about things moving forward.   I don't believe I have felt as much angst finishing a season in any time as this one.  We all feel the pressure, we have not just a unicorn but THE unicorn of unicorns in Josh Allen and no Superbowl.  5 years ago, in my mind it was a 99% surety that the Bills were going to win a Superbowl, now I view it as 50/50.  Time in a ticking and despite McDermott's flaws, he has steadily been improving, his aggressiveness and willingness to change certain things have happened.   

 

Again if this reporting is true, the fact that Beane and now some media figures that appear to be parroting his line that the problem wasn't lack of blue chippers but coaching is very disconcerting.  

 

The media better ask very difficult questions to Beane this upcoming presser.  They need to press him about the lack of pass rushing and boundary receiver talent.  Also, I get that Josh Allen should have a say and his voice heard but they need to make sure that they don't go primarily what Josh wants in selecting their next head coach.   The main problem has been the defense, not the offense.  So I want to know what their process is going to be in making sure that their next head coach gets the right DC in place, for me that is the most critical piece out of the entire coaching selection.  Who will be the coach of the defense and what will be their governing philosophy.

 

 

 

A lot of propaganda to sift through here. A meeting with 3 people, so this inside info can only come from one of those 3 people. Any wonder which camp this side of that discussion came from? So it's obviously come from McD's side but who knows where even they thought the roster lacked talent? And if McD has very specific attributes he needs for his defense, which is very apparent, it kind of limits the pool.

Like I'd be happy if Beane went as well but both sides are going to be full blown propaganda at this point.

[Dinoman]

10 minutes ago, PauleeeWalnuts said:

So Beane had his feelings hurt because McD was honest about the holes in the roster in front of the owner, got it. 

?  Or did McD say we have a perfect roster and Beane and Pegs were looking at him like he had a third eye??

[Augie]

32 minutes ago, BVBILLS said:

Also the Bills stopped bringing in experienced coordinators.

 

I’ve been saying for a while that his relatively inexperienced coordinators would be the end of him. I think I got that one right. 

[WotAGuy]

23 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

 

Breaking news: Boss doesn’t like what employee has to say.  Film at 11!

[SoonerBillsFan]

40 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

So? That's what head coaches do and supposed to do.

No they dont.  Either you are 100% the playcaller and the pseudo DC helps in game planning,  or you let the DC call plays and get out of the way

[HappyDays]

Yeah I agree. This is what I posted in another thread:

 

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

So I wanted both fired, but all along I have believed that if it's just one of them fired it should be McDermott. My thought is that Beane's flaws can be managed by a coach that is given control of the roster, whereas McDermott's flaws can't really be managed by a different GM. McDermott's defensive scheme and his clenching up in critical moments are the main reasons we are losing these playoff games every year. Yes I have been frustrated by Beane under-prioritizing weapons for Allen. But ultimately the offense does its job every single year scoring more points than the opposing defense usually allows, while the defense always does the exact opposite. So of the two I give McDermott a significantly higher share of the blame for our inability to get over the hump.

 

Beane's biggest failing is that he has bet his resources on McDermott instead of on Allen. Too much draft capital and cap space spent on making sure McDermott gets the exact player specifications for his inflexible soft defense. Under the new management of presumably an offensive head coach that is all going to change.

 

[Jrb1979]

8 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

I just feel like every season we had to morph into a different offense…..this isn’t the Brady era Patriots. That falls on the HC. It just felt like to me McDermott was bipolar when it came to what he wanted on offense and as a GM that’s extremely hard to work with. I could be 100% wrong on this, but that seem like part of the friction between Beane and McDermott.

IMO the reason for the changes in offense has a little to do with Allen. I feel like Allen wants to play every game like he does in the playoffs. Where he scrambles, runs for yards and takes a lot of contact  IMO they were trying to find a offense that works and doesn't rely on Allen carrying the offense so much.  

[Green Lightning]

28 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

If you read what I wrote I never said he drafted the right guys but he definitely drafted guys based off of what McDermott wanted.

It shows more about a guy not being the easiest to work with….seems to be very stubborn and a reason why we haven’t made a Super Bowl 🤷🏽‍♂️

Bellicheat canned three coordinators as is the epitome of stubborn.  Those qualities do not prevent winning a SB. 

[Einstein]

38 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

We still don’t know who had final say over the roster or the draft.  

 

This sounds like Beane had control of the roster and McDermott didn’t like the talent Beane was putting on it.

 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’ve been saying for a while that his relatively inexperienced coordinators would be the end of him. I think I got that one right. 

He didnt want anyone to challenge him.  Thats why Daboll got the boot

[appoo]

26 minutes ago, Magox said:

If this is true, this gives me a very uneasy feeling about things moving forward.   I don't believe I have felt as much angst finishing a season in any time as this one.  We all feel the pressure, we have not just a unicorn but THE unicorn of unicorns in Josh Allen and no Superbowl.  5 years ago, in my mind it was a 99% surety that the Bills were going to win a Superbowl, now I view it as 50/50.  Time in a ticking and despite McDermott's flaws, he has steadily been improving, his aggressiveness and willingness to change certain things have happened.   

 

Again if this reporting is true, the fact that Beane and now some media figures that appear to be parroting his line that the problem wasn't lack of blue chippers but coaching is very disconcerting.  

 

The media better ask very difficult questions to Beane this upcoming presser.  They need to press him about the lack of pass rushing and boundary receiver talent.  Also, I get that Josh Allen should have a say and his voice heard but they need to make sure that they don't go primarily what Josh wants in selecting their next head coach.   The main problem has been the defense, not the offense.  So I want to know what their process is going to be in making sure that their next head coach gets the right DC in place, for me that is the most critical piece out of the entire coaching selection.  Who will be the coach of the defense and what will be their governing philosophy.

 

 

The more and more info that leaks out makes me think Beane stabbed McDermott in the back.  This was Brandon’s roster, and McDermott is taking the fall 

[HappyDays]

26 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

 

So a few weeks before the playoff starts, the head coach is laying out excuses for why his team isn't good enough to win in the playoffs? And this story is supposed to make Pegula and Beane look like the bad guys?

[WotAGuy]

McDermott couldn’t adjust his defense to fit the players’ skillsets; he demanded players who fit his defense.

 

I think it became clear that his defense wasn’t working come playoff time, and rather than evolve to a different defensive philosophy, he kept failing with his old go to. 

 

Offensively, the Bills evolved and remained pretty effective and efficient when it came to scoring points. 
 

If McDermott could have done the same thing on defense, he may have had better success. 

[Best Williams Available]

Which is it Mr Beane? Is it McD had too much say in the draft and personnel decisions and that’s why he had to go? Or other teams see the Bills are loaded with talent and coach couldn’t get enough out of them?

Either McD was good at talent assessment and not coaching or you were bad at talent assessment and he was good at coaching.

[WotAGuy]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

So a few weeks before the playoff starts, the head coach is laying out excuses for why his team isn't good enough to win in the playoffs? And this story is supposed to make Pegula and Beane look like the bad guys?

McDermott was just saying what everyone here and much of the press was saying; the roster is flawed and had major deficiencies.  

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

So a few weeks before the playoff starts, the head coach is laying out excuses for why his team isn't good enough to win in the playoffs? And this story is supposed to make Pegula and Beane look like the bad guys?

 

Much preferable to a head coach with his head in the sand.

And I do think it looks and for Beane and Pegula. It reminds me of Beane on WGR, defiant that the WR room is talented. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

Both should have been shown the door period, end of story.... McDermott couldn't get it done in 9 seasons and his defenses were consistently overwhelmed especially in playoff scenarios against stiffer competition and I have no problem with the firing but Beane is equally to blame, this roster is 1 of the worst of all the playoff teams and the WR core is a joke yet beane get's a raise? WTF is Pegula thinking? It is an absolute mircale Josh Allen got us to the conference game with this roster of misfit toys at WR. Beane sucks at his job and it won't change because he has no clue what a real WR looks like, gives out terrible contracts to players and this could hold us back even further.

Edited January 20 by BuffaloBillsGospel2014

[CapeBreton]

1 hour ago, streetkings01 said:

 

2018: McDermott hires Daboll and drafts Josh Allen. Early on, the offense clearly lacks weapons.

 

 

I would say that Beane gets the credit from Pegula for drafting Josh Allen, otherwise Beane would be gone.