Different take on Beane vs McDermott situation

[streetkings01]

I’ll start by saying I agree with most people: if you fire one, they probably should’ve both been fired as a package deal. Where I’m conflicted is who deserves most of the blame. I lean toward McDermott, and here’s why.

 

Timeline matters:

 

2017: McDermott hires Rick Dennison as OC, then fires him after one season.

2018: McDermott hires Daboll and drafts Josh Allen. Early on, the offense clearly lacks weapons.

2019: Beane responds by signing John Brown and Cole Beasley, and drafting Ford, Singletary, and Knox. Beane openly acknowledges the need to surround Allen with talent—and he does.

2020: The team decides it still lacks a true WR1, trades for Diggs, and drafts Moss, Davis, and Bass. Allen takes a massive leap. The season ends with a loss to the Chiefs in the AFC Championship.

2021: Sanders is brought in as the WR2, Trubisky as the backup, Breida is added, and Spencer Brown is drafted. Reports of friction between McDermott and Daboll surface. Daboll leaves for the Giants job.

2022: Cook and Shakir are drafted, Crowder is signed.

2023: We draft Kincaid and Torrence. After a 5–5 start, McDermott fires Dorsey and promotes Joe Brady. The offense shifts to a more run-heavy approach, and Diggs’ and the receivers’ production dips.

2024–2025: The team leans fully into the “everyone eats” philosophy, doubles down on a run-heavy offense, drafts a big physical WR, and prioritizes a run-blocking TE.

 

 

That’s where my issue lies.

 

Looking at this timeline, it seems clear that Beane consistently acquired players based on how McDermott wanted the offense constructed. When McDermott wanted weapons, Beane went out and got them. When the philosophy shifted to a run-heavy approach, Beane adjusted and brought in players that fit that mold.

 

You can absolutely argue that Beane chose the wrong players—but it’s hard to argue that he didn’t choose the right type of players for what the head coach wanted to do.

 

To me, that’s where the real friction likely started. It feels like Beane saying: I gave you what you asked for—on offense and defense—and you didn’t maximize it.

 

And while the execution can be debated, the roster construction largely followed McDermott’s vision. That’s why, if blame has to be weighted, I think it tilts more toward McDermott than Beane.

Edited January 20 by streetkings01
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[streetkings01]

We’ve also seen McDermott have friction with both defensive coordinators. At one point he took playcalling duties away from Frazier and Babbich. There is a pattern with McDermott and his coordinators. 

[aristocrat]

9 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

I’ll start by saying I agree with most people: if you fire one, they probably should’ve both been fired as a package deal. Where I’m conflicted is who deserves most of the blame. I lean toward McDermott, and here’s why.

 

Timeline matters:

 

2017: McDermott hires Rick Dennison as OC, then fires him after one season.

2018: McDermott hires Daboll and drafts Josh Allen. Early on, the offense clearly lacks weapons.

2019: Beane responds by signing John Brown and Cole Beasley, and drafting Ford, Singletary, and Knox. Beane openly acknowledges the need to surround Allen with talent—and he does.

2020: The team decides it still lacks a true WR1, trades for Diggs, and drafts Moss, Davis, and Bass. Allen takes a massive leap. The season ends with a loss to the Chiefs in the AFC Championship.

2021: Sanders is brought in as the WR2, Trubisky as the backup, Breida is added, and Spencer Brown is drafted. Reports of friction between McDermott and Daboll surface. Daboll leaves for the Giants job.

2022: Cook and Shakir are drafted, Crowder is signed.

2023: After a 5–5 start, McDermott fires Dorsey and promotes Joe Brady. The offense shifts to a more run-heavy approach, and Diggs’ and the receivers’ production dips.

2024–2025: The team leans fully into the “everyone eats” philosophy, doubles down on a run-heavy offense, drafts a big physical WR, and prioritizes a run-blocking TE.

 

 

That’s where my issue lies.

 

Looking at this timeline, it seems clear that Beane consistently acquired players based on how McDermott wanted the offense constructed. When McDermott wanted weapons, Beane went out and got them. When the philosophy shifted to a run-heavy approach, Beane adjusted and brought in players that fit that mold.

 

You can absolutely argue that Beane chose the wrong players—but it’s hard to argue that he didn’t choose the right type of players for what the head coach wanted to do.

 

To me, that’s where the real friction likely started. It feels like Beane saying: I gave you what you asked for—on offense and defense—and you didn’t maximize it.

 

And while the execution can be debated, the roster construction largely followed McDermott’s vision. That’s why, if blame has to be weighted, I think it tilts more toward McDermott than Beane.

I’ll add more info into the Dorsey failure. They drafted Kincaid when we already had Knox so we could go to more two tight end sets when we have a qb who loves to sling it downfield. That failed miserably 

[Green Lightning]

2 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

We’ve also seen McDermott have friction with both defensive coordinators. At one point he took playcalling duties away from Frazier and Babbich. There is a pattern with McDermott and his coordinators. 

So? That's what head coaches do and supposed to do.

[BuffaloRebound]

We still don’t know who had final say over the roster or the draft.  The past 48 hours would suggest Mcdermott did and that’s why he was fired and Beane was promoted and given more power.  

[Green Lightning]

12 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

I’ll start by saying I agree with most people: if you fire one, they probably should’ve both been fired as a package deal. Where I’m conflicted is who deserves most of the blame. I lean toward McDermott, and here’s why.

 

Timeline matters:

 

2017: McDermott hires Rick Dennison as OC, then fires him after one season.

2018: McDermott hires Daboll and drafts Josh Allen. Early on, the offense clearly lacks weapons.

2019: Beane responds by signing John Brown and Cole Beasley, and drafting Ford, Singletary, and Knox. Beane openly acknowledges the need to surround Allen with talent—and he does.

2020: The team decides it still lacks a true WR1, trades for Diggs, and drafts Moss, Davis, and Bass. Allen takes a massive leap. The season ends with a loss to the Chiefs in the AFC Championship.

2021: Sanders is brought in as the WR2, Trubisky as the backup, Breida is added, and Spencer Brown is drafted. Reports of friction between McDermott and Daboll surface. Daboll leaves for the Giants job.

2022: Cook and Shakir are drafted, Crowder is signed.

2023: After a 5–5 start, McDermott fires Dorsey and promotes Joe Brady. The offense shifts to a more run-heavy approach, and Diggs’ and the receivers’ production dips.

2024–2025: The team leans fully into the “everyone eats” philosophy, doubles down on a run-heavy offense, drafts a big physical WR, and prioritizes a run-blocking TE.

 

 

That’s where my issue lies.

 

Looking at this timeline, it seems clear that Beane consistently acquired players based on how McDermott wanted the offense constructed. When McDermott wanted weapons, Beane went out and got them. When the philosophy shifted to a run-heavy approach, Beane adjusted and brought in players that fit that mold.

 

You can absolutely argue that Beane chose the wrong players—but it’s hard to argue that he didn’t choose the right type of players for what the head coach wanted to do.

 

To me, that’s where the real friction likely started. It feels like Beane saying: I gave you what you asked for—on offense and defense—and you didn’t maximize it.

 

And while the execution can be debated, the roster construction largely followed McDermott’s vision. That’s why, if blame has to be weighted, I think it tilts more toward McDermott than Beane.

So McD says, we need a CB and Beane brings in Elam.  Beane's early picks have been terrible and a key reason why we lack for elite players. His handling of the WR room has been abysmal. The contracts to overpaid midling players contributes to our cap issues. His WGR WR debacle shows just how he thinks about weapons for Josh. He is a quantity, not quality guy. They fired the wrong guy. Both should have gone.

[FireChans]

16 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

I’ll start by saying I agree with most people: if you fire one, they probably should’ve both been fired as a package deal. Where I’m conflicted is who deserves most of the blame. I lean toward McDermott, and here’s why.

 

Timeline matters:

 

2017: McDermott hires Rick Dennison as OC, then fires him after one season.

2018: McDermott hires Daboll and drafts Josh Allen. Early on, the offense clearly lacks weapons.

2019: Beane responds by signing John Brown and Cole Beasley, and drafting Ford, Singletary, and Knox. Beane openly acknowledges the need to surround Allen with talent—and he does.

2020: The team decides it still lacks a true WR1, trades for Diggs, and drafts Moss, Davis, and Bass. Allen takes a massive leap. The season ends with a loss to the Chiefs in the AFC Championship.

2021: Sanders is brought in as the WR2, Trubisky as the backup, Breida is added, and Spencer Brown is drafted. Reports of friction between McDermott and Daboll surface. Daboll leaves for the Giants job.

2022: Cook and Shakir are drafted, Crowder is signed.

2023: After a 5–5 start, McDermott fires Dorsey and promotes Joe Brady. The offense shifts to a more run-heavy approach, and Diggs’ and the receivers’ production dips.

2024–2025: The team leans fully into the “everyone eats” philosophy, doubles down on a run-heavy offense, drafts a big physical WR, and prioritizes a run-blocking TE.

 

 

That’s where my issue lies.

 

Looking at this timeline, it seems clear that Beane consistently acquired players based on how McDermott wanted the offense constructed. When McDermott wanted weapons, Beane went out and got them. When the philosophy shifted to a run-heavy approach, Beane adjusted and brought in players that fit that mold.

 

You can absolutely argue that Beane chose the wrong players—but it’s hard to argue that he didn’t choose the right type of players for what the head coach wanted to do.

 

To me, that’s where the real friction likely started. It feels like Beane saying: I gave you what you asked for—on offense and defense—and you didn’t maximize it.

 

And while the execution can be debated, the roster construction largely followed McDermott’s vision. That’s why, if blame has to be weighted, I think it tilts more toward McDermott than Beane.

McDermott didn’t go on WGR to dunk on the radio guys about how good our WRs were.

 

I know it’s really hard to keep things together with the media full court press. But Beane and McD agreed far more than they disagreed when it came to talent, traits and guys they wanted on the Bills. That was the company line for 9 seasons. 

[BVBILLS]

Also the Bills stopped bringing in experienced coordinators.

[The Jokeman]

6 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

I’ll add more info into the Dorsey failure. They drafted Kincaid when we already had Knox so we could go to more two tight end sets when we have a qb who loves to sling it downfield. That failed miserably 

They drafted the best available receiving option when we took Kincaid. He's struggled with injuries but when he is on the field he is a difference maker.  I wouldn't call it a failure. 

[streetkings01]

6 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

So? That's what head coaches do and supposed to do.

It’s not a so…..it can be looked at as a pattern…..every year our HC has friction with the coordinators he’s hired/promoted? Dennison fired after 1 season, Daboll leaves for Giants job after 2 seasons of friction, Dorsey fired after 1.5 seasons, Frazier leaves team after constant friction, playcalling duties taken away from Babbich.

[Green Lightning]

1 minute ago, streetkings01 said:

It’s not a so…..it can be looked at as a pattern…..every year our HC has friction with the coordinators he’s hired/promoted? Dennison fired after 1 season, Daboll leaves for Giants job after 2 seasons of friction, Dorsey fired after 1.5 seasons, Frazier leaves team after constant friction, playcalling duties taken away from Babbich.

And did the moves pay off?

[aristocrat]

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

They drafted the best available receiving option when we took Kincaid. He's struggled with injuries but when he is on the field he is a difference maker.  I wouldn't call it a failure. 

They drafted him because dorsey wanted to run more 12 personnel. Then just about abandoned it and shitcanned dorsey over it. So they hire a guy and draft a guy to accommodate his new offense and fire him 5 games in. Instead of trading up for Kincaid do they trade back cause they don't want a tight end? Who knows?

[streetkings01]

7 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

So McD says, we need a CB and Beane brings in Elam.  Beane's early picks have been terrible and a key reason why we lack for elite players. His handling of the WR room has been abysmal. The contracts to overpaid midling players contributes to our cap issues. His WGR WR debacle shows just how he thinks about weapons for Josh. He is a quantity, not quality guy. They fired the wrong guy. Both should have gone.

If you read what I wrote I never said he drafted the right guys but he definitely drafted guys based off of what McDermott wanted.

1 minute ago, Green Lightning said:

And did the moves pay off?

It shows more about a guy not being the easiest to work with….seems to be very stubborn and a reason why we haven’t made a Super Bowl 🤷🏽‍♂️

[Green Lightning]

Just now, streetkings01 said:

If you read what I wrote I never said he drafted the right guys but he definitely drafted guys based off of what McDermott wanted.

A good GM gets it right every now and again. His scouting department is failing him and that's on him.

[streetkings01]

Based on the timeline it seemed like McDermott can’t make up his mind with how he wants the offense constructed…..one minute he wants pass happy, next he wants run heavy then he wants to go back to pass happy after you constructed an offense that’s run heavy 🤪

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Coaching was the problem here for years. We constantly had to overcome our own stupidity and in game blunders. Our defense was a liability in the playoffs for the entire run. We are good. Yesterday was a great day 

[Magox]

If this is true, this gives me a very uneasy feeling about things moving forward.   I don't believe I have felt as much angst finishing a season in any time as this one.  We all feel the pressure, we have not just a unicorn but THE unicorn of unicorns in Josh Allen and no Superbowl.  5 years ago, in my mind it was a 99% surety that the Bills were going to win a Superbowl, now I view it as 50/50.  Time in a ticking and despite McDermott's flaws, he has steadily been improving, his aggressiveness and willingness to change certain things have happened.   

 

Again if this reporting is true, the fact that Beane and now some media figures that appear to be parroting his line that the problem wasn't lack of blue chippers but coaching is very disconcerting.  

 

The media better ask very difficult questions to Beane this upcoming presser.  They need to press him about the lack of pass rushing and boundary receiver talent.  Also, I get that Josh Allen should have a say and his voice heard but they need to make sure that they don't go primarily what Josh wants in selecting their next head coach.   The main problem has been the defense, not the offense.  So I want to know what their process is going to be in making sure that their next head coach gets the right DC in place, for me that is the most critical piece out of the entire coaching selection.  Who will be the coach of the defense and what will be their governing philosophy.

 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

Kind of amazing that nobody knows who had final control over the roster and the draft,  There’s no way there was agreement on every personnel decision.  Somebody had to have final say.  

[streetkings01]

2 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

A good GM gets it right every now and again. His scouting department is failing him and that's on him.

His scouting department isn’t failing him…..that’s a weak narrative. They had it right with Diggs, Cooks, Kincaid and the offensive line. Problem is the HC had a change in offensive philosophy. 

[Green Lightning]

1 minute ago, streetkings01 said:

His scouting department isn’t failing him…..that’s a weak narrative. They had it right with Diggs, Cooks, Kincaid and the offensive line. Problem is the HC had a change in offensive philosophy. 

Elam, Bashem, Groot, Epenesa, Dewayne Carter. Our early picks on D have been just okay or busts. That's on the GM.