ganesh Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) The Broncos under Dan Reeves went to three super bowl in the late 80s and were competitive in the playoffs in the early 90s (when the Bills went to 4 SBs). However, Reeves and Broncos couldn't get over the hump in spite of having one of the best QB in the league in John Elway during that tenure. He was fired after 11 seasons and their former OC Mike Shannanhan was brought in as a HC and they won two back to back SB in year 2 and 3. Will the Bills do something similar in bringing Daboll as the HC and letting him make his own defense and does he and Allen cook the right offense to get to the big dance? With James Cook as a centerpiece and building the WR talent, this team indeed has a chance to repeat what the Broncos did in the mid 90's Edited January 20 by ganesh 2 1 1 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 20 Posted January 20 We are at the point, historically, where Pat Bowlen fired Reeves and brought Shanahan in. If we follow that model, Daboll is the next HC. Daboll was hard on Josh, yelled at him even, but it snapped Allen out of his mental funk. I want a West coast offense brought in, see Klint Kubiak, but Daboll runs a hybrid of the Erherdt Perkins system which NE and a couple others use. 1 1 1 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) It's almost identical to what happened. We all here predicted it. Elway also resented Reeves, but ppl didn't know until years later. Elway always loved shanahan.... The Allen/ daboll scenario is exactly the same.... Again daboll is a very good choice and right direction, but Mike McDaniel is an incredible offensive mind. Kubiak is a good idea too Ppl should be very excited Edited January 20 by Kelly to Allen 2 Quote
ganesh Posted January 20 Author Posted January 20 1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said: It's almost identical to what happened. We all here predicted it Again daboll is a very good choice and right direction, but Mike McDaniel is an incredible offensive mind. Kubiak is a good idea too Ppl should be very excited McDanel was a poor HC. I don't want him anywhere near the Buffalo Bills as a HC. We also need a HC and OC who will be tough with Josh Allen. Daboll may be the best bet. 2 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Just now, ganesh said: McDanel was a poor HC. I don't want him anywhere near the Buffalo Bills as a HC. We also need a HC and OC who will be tough with Josh Allen. Daboll may be the best bet. I understand the concerns about McDaniel. I can't say there is not a risk there. I see a young Bill Walsh archetype in him. But obviously I could be wrong I'm 100% on board with daboll tho. Would be extremely excited. Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) I'm telling you right now it wouldn't shock me if Allen sided with beane too given everything we know. Where Terry approached Josh about bringing daboll back and basically gave the okay. Not saying it wasn't a very difficult decision but guys something has been different about Allen since daboll left. You can just see it. Allen looked like an emotional mess after that playoff loss. You gotta wonder if things have been in the motion for weeks or months McDermott was acting extremely weird after the game. Almost like he was completely caught off guard Edited January 20 by Kelly to Allen 1 Quote
racketmaster Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Daboll is no Mike Shanahan. I’d have more confidence in Brady than Daboll. His win percentage in NY was terrible after a hot start. I know QB play was not great but things fell apart there after his first year. 1 1 Quote
chongli Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) If Daboll can bring us multiple SB's and get KC off of our back, (and Josh approves) then I'm all for it. The sooner the better. What is Daboll's citizenship? What about DC? Edited January 20 by chongli Quote
WNYFAN1 Posted January 20 Posted January 20 "The Broncos under Dan Reeves went to three super bowl" Three? I'd take going to one at this point... 1 Quote
oldmanfan Posted January 20 Posted January 20 The question about Daboll is whether he learned lessons from his stint in New Jersey that he can use to improve his performance here. McD’s downfall involved two things: 1. Inability to create a defense that made a difference in playoff games; 2. Questionable in game decisions. I don’t know that Daboll did great with in game decision making. He’s probably on the short list. If he comes in you then bring in a guy like a Raheem Morris or the ex Cardinals coach as a DC. I want an attacking 4-3 atyle defense; I’m tired of passive zonnes. 2 Quote
JPL7 Posted January 20 Posted January 20 People seem to forget that it wasn’t Reeves to Shanny. Wade Phillips was coach for two years in between. FYI. 3 1 Quote
Billzgobowlin Posted January 20 Posted January 20 5 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said: I understand the concerns about McDaniel. I can't say there is not a risk there. I see a young Bill Walsh archetype in him. But obviously I could be wrong I'm 100% on board with daboll tho. Would be extremely excited. McDaniel looks lost half the time. I don't see much innovation in his offense, honestly in that case Brady would be better as he adjusted to lack of talent much better. Hill got injured and McDaniel could not adjust Quote
Strethor Posted January 20 Posted January 20 You can point to the Fox broncos for a parallel also 1 Quote
Mikie2times Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) Denver MADE 4 Super Bowls in the 80's. They consistently made clutch drives and stops when games were close, otherwise they got completely destroyed by far better teams. This is much more like the Oilers in the 90's. Never winning a conference championship. Gut wrenching playoff losses like the comeback and the drive 2. The difference is Josh Allen isn't aging out like Warren Moon did at that time. But those Broncos teams just didn't have the talent to compete with the big boys. Whenever it was close, they won, often in dramatic fashion. Edited January 20 by Mikie2times Quote
ryguy101 Posted January 20 Posted January 20 6 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said: It's almost identical to what happened. We all here predicted it. Elway also resented Reeves, but ppl didn't know until years later. Elway always loved shanahan.... The Allen/ daboll scenario is exactly the same.... Again daboll is a very good choice and right direction, but Mike McDaniel is an incredible offensive mind. Kubiak is a good idea too Ppl should be very excited McDaniel is gone, Daboll I dont think is coming back and Kubiak maybe... Quote
harryS Posted January 20 Posted January 20 I've previously mentioned this analogy before, and I do I think the analogy only works if we actually hire someone from the Shanahan/Kubiak tree. 1 Quote
27yankees Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) Fix that defense!!!! Get another hard hitting safety with speed. Get nasty big linebackers that will plug the gaps and attack the run. We had lots of pressure, just needed an backend to allow one more push. Seal off the ends!!! Edited January 20 by 27yankees 1 Quote
MikePJ76 Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) Klint Kubiak is going to be to Josh Allen what Mike Shanahan was to elway....even though they have not worked together yet unlike elway/shanahan. Allen is going to thrive in that passing game. I can't wait. Brian Daboll is not getting a Head Coaching job anywhere why on earth would he get this job? It makes zero sense....I doubt daboll's ability to even build a staff. I d0 not think he is liked around the league and the giants players did not like him....He is a square peg in a round hole and if they do it out of familiarity and appeasement to beane the team is dead in the water. Edited January 20 by MikePJ76 1 Quote
Nihilarian Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Or, this could be another SD Chargers screwup where Chargers GM AJ Smith fires Marty Schottenheimer after a 14-2 season. Marty was a defensive-minded HC, and they went on to hire a supposed great offensive mind in Norv Turner. While Turner took them to the playoffs, they never made it to the Super Bowl under him. In fact, QBs like Phillip Rivers never made it to a Super Bowl. Another supposed offensive genius who had an offensive scheme named after him was Don Coryell, who coached another great QB who never made the Super Bowl, in Dan Fouts. Time will tell. 1 1 Quote
Rousseauisnoschmo Posted January 20 Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said: McDaniel looks lost half the time. I don't see much innovation in his offense, honestly in that case Brady would be better as he adjusted to lack of talent much better. Hill got injured and McDaniel could not adjust Plus the discipline factor or lack thereof. Guys habitually late to meetings. Poyers wife ripping the culture. No thanks. Quote
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